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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/19/08 2:34pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Dawud786 posted: QFT. To be certain, running off half-cocked like Kyp did wouldn't have been good if sanctioned by Luke. I think it is a realistic concern to be wary of sending his few Jedi Knights off to fight on the frontlines in such a heated situation. I'm actually shocked that Kyp didn't cross over into the dark side again... I don't think that was ever on the cards, although NJO did do Kyp a major disservice. My take is his experience with Exar Kun indelibly seared his mind with a healthy fear of the dark side. If anything we can liken his dealings with a too cocky by half Jaina to Luke dealing with Corran in IJ. Both tell the other they should beware the dark side but are unable to convey the sheer soul-destroying horror it represents. At the same time I don't see anything wrong with a bunch of Jedi hitting the Vong guerilla style where it hurts. The furore over the strike at Sernpidal was a case of someone, somewhere not understanding the nature of warfare. (It's also interesting when the two versions of it are considered, in Keyes Kyp comes off far better.) What would be a problem is for all the Jedi to do it. I tended to see Kyp's actions as being fine for him and a select group in the short-term, but it was never going to win the war by itself. Yet by doing that it shows the Jedi are willing to fight and defend the galaxy and frees up Luke, who is looking to the final solution to how to deal with the Vong. -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 3:09pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	DurronFan posted: Well whether he did or did not before, I don't think so. Not unless Ben gets killed but I find that highly unlikely, nearing impossible. Especially with Jaina taking the big fight with Jacen. I would think he would go dark if the Solo's or Jaina were killed to.
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 4/19/08 3:36pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Naw I doubt it, look when Mara died he killed Lumiya, which I personally consider a momentary fall from him but he didn't go on to become dark after that. So if that's "all" he did due to Mara's death then I don't see him falling to the dark side on account of Jacen or Jaina dying. Especially with Jacen. -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 4:05pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	^^When I said Solo's, I meant Han and Leia.
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 4/19/08 5:42pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/19/08 5:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DurronFan
	Aight, I misread, sorry about that. If Han and/or Leia died, I still don't think Luke would fall. Although I most certainly would not say the same about Jaina. -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 5:57pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I think that Luke Skywalker was only really vulnerable to corruption to the Dark Side of the Force in the period from Return of the Jedi to Dark Empire. Luke might make mistakes but his only real weakness is exploited by Palpatine who basically presses on Luke's need to serve the "Greater Good" and convinces him to delve into Sith knowledge in order to figure some way to kill Palpatine forever. Otherwise, Luke would die before he succumbs to the Darkness.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/19/08 6:40pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/19/08 6:43pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ChildOfWinds
	I'd still like to know if anyone can explain to me how having Luke put an illusion of himself on Jaina will help in any way??? I just can't make any sense of it. Any ideas? I'm just so disappointed that it seems that Jaina, Han, Leia, Zekk, and Jag will all go to face Jacen/Caedus, but Luke is going to be left behind. And left behind where and to do what? Nothing? Is this Force illusion of LUke's face supposed to be Luke's "role" in Invincible? Is that ALL he's going to do in the entire book? Jedi Ben, you mentioned in a recent post that Kyp falling to the dark in NJO was probably never in the cards for him because Exar Kun "indelibly seared his mind with a healthy fear of the dark side". I would think that Luke's near brushes with the dark side, both in DE and in killing Lumiya for revenge in Sacrifice would have done that for Luke too. That's why I really don't "buy into" this explanation for why Luke isn't going to face Jacen/Caedus. I truly don't think Luke would be in danger of falling to the dark side if he faced his nephew. I think it's especially BECAUSE Luke has a healthy fear of the dark side that he would be very UNLIKELY to fall to it. And we already saw Luke's calm acceptance of the news that Jacen/Caedus had killed Mara in Revelation. If Luke didn't go berserk then, he isn't going to. Obviously, the authors wanted Jaina to be the hero of this story. Fine, I can accept that. But don't bring Luke down, turn him into a near villain (as was done in Sacrifice) and then turn him into a weakling, unable to control himself and his emotions in order to allow Jaina to be that hero. If there's one thing I really, truly dislike, it's diminishing one character in order to make another shine. The authors should have come up with something major that demanded Luke's expertise in order to explain why he would be unavailable to deal with Jacen/Caedus. Instead, I feel that Luke has been degraded and regressed again in this series in order to serve the plot. Rouge77 Yes. And there were Vima-da-Boda, Aqinos and the Iron Knights; then there are those that were more or less half-trained by surviving OJO Jedi and could have been in possession of knowledge that Luke hadn't got, like Kam Solusar or that Katarn fellow. Wow! I didn't realize that Luke had interacted with so many Old Jedi Order Jedi! (so much for "...the last of the Jedi will you be"... ) I remembered Ikrit and Brand, and I knew about the Chu'unthor tapes and the holocrons, but I didn't know about the Iron Knights or Aqinos. So Luke certainly didn't need to listen to crazy Vergere to get information about the Old Order. As you said, she wasn't a Master either. In fact, I believe she had just recently become a full Jedi when she disappeared with the YV. Dawud786 We have to remember that Mindor is where Luke has the spiritual crisis that makes him question the appropriateness of a Jedi leading troops into battle and causing massive amounts of death and destruction for both sides of the conflict. I really hope this doesn't mean that Luke is going to be portrayed as a really poor General who makes terrible decisions which result in so many losses that Luke feels he needs a career change. I don't mind having Luke decide not to be in the military, that he's meant to be a Jedi, but I don't want it to be because Luke is so horrible at the job. I don't think he'll be indecisive, but his inner turmoil over what he's doing SHOULD hopefully make his hesitance to sent his Jedi into battle to kill and die during the NJO make some kind of sense. Well, I wish they would have explained it that way in the NJO instead of making Luke look like such a wishy-washy, indecisive idiot. As Jedi Ben said, it really does make sense when you think about it that Luke would be cautious with his 100 Jedi knights. As he said, what kind of a chance do 100 Jedi have against millions of Vong? The Jedi DO have to be selective about where, when, and how to act. Even though they'd like to save everyone, it simply isn't possible. If this delemma had been brought up in the NJO, maybe it wouldn't have bothered me so much that Luke seemed so indecisive. Charlemagne19 Otherwise, Luke would die before he succumbs to the Darkness. I agree, C. So why can't Luke face Jacen/Caedus in Invincible?
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 6:45pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I agree, C. So why can't Luke face Jacen/Caedus in Invincible? confused Mostly because I think it would be boring. We all know that Jacen has to go down and Luke would win because of that. Jaina seems like a much more even contest even if its more or less preordained.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/19/08 6:50pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/19/08 6:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ChildOfWinds
	So what do you think Luke will do? Stay home and watch the proceedings through the Force and lift not even a finger to help? It will make Luke look really, really weak and selfish to send Jaina to do what is Luke's responsibility, I think.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 6:51pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	ChildOfWinds posted: So what do you think Luke will do? Stay home and watch the proceedings through the Force and lift not even a finger to help? It will make Luke look really, really weak and selfish to send Jaina to do what is Luke's responsibility, I think. I hope he blows up something instead, hopefully the Anakin Solo. Either that or Jacen poisons his tea or something. I'd also love to see Luke vs. Six or seven One Sith.
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Emperor_Time Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 6:56pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/19/08 6:57pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Havac
	Off-topic. -----signature----- Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/19/08 7:10pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 I hope he blows up something instead, hopefully the Anakin Solo. You don't need Luke to blow up the Anakin Solo. Competent military guys could handle that. Either that or Jacen poisons his tea or something. WHAT??? I'd also love to see Luke vs. Six or seven One Sith. I don't think we're going to see the Sith anymore in this series, C, so I doubt that Luke will face the Sith.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 7:14pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Child of Winds You don't need Luke to blow up the Anakin Solo. Competent military guys could handle that. And by this logic, if Jaina defeats Jacen, we don't need Luke to do it. It's better than him doing nothing. WHAT??? It's one way of getting Luke out of the way for a novel. I don't think we're going to see the Sith anymore in this series, C, so I doubt that Luke will face the Sith. You never know.
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Emperor_Time Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 7:18pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Sorry about it. -----signature----- Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 4/19/08 7:18pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Maybe Luke confronts the One Sith in the next series and is killed, but puts up such a tremendous fight he delays their emergence into the galaxy by a hundred years? Holy-did I just type that??? -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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