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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 7:26pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I posted this in another thread but I think it works for my opinion on Luke death. Charlemagne19 posted: I remember a conversation that I had with a friend who stated that DC and Marvel comics were hamstrung by the fact that they couldn't kill characters like Spiderman and Superman. So instead, no new characters would actually succeed. My reaction was "That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life!" He said "Oh, yeah, why?" My reaction to that was "Well, forgive me, but I don't want to see an entire comic book like filled with Aztek and Arana in place of Superman and Batman." He said "Those stories are played out." I said "The Hell they are. People who don't want to write about STAR WARS characters like Han, Luke, and Leia shouldn't be DOING Star Wars novels!" Which for me, summarizes the fact that a lot of authors who might actually love telling stories about Luke Skywalker don't actually get to do that. Joss Whedon, he of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer fame and Firefly, created the later show because he wanted to essentially do a series about Han Solo but couldn't do it. Likewise, ironically, Star Wars is Lucas' desire to do a movie about Flash Gordon but that's beside the point. Joss Whedon brought Collossus back because that character was dead and he was annoyed he couldn't tell stories about him anymore. In my opinion, we should have that attitude towards Star Wars more. Specifically, that creators should have an enthusiasm about telling stories about Star Wars heroes rather than have people complaining about their immortality. Aren't there MORE stories to tell with Luke Skywalker? I could name 100 stories OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD that I would like to see Luke Skywalker handle. However, we never get to see any of them. I'm still kinda annoyed Dark Horse won't do a Luke Skywalker comic book series. I like Rebellion but it seems to be about Luke's sidekicks than Luke himself.
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Emperor_Time Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 7:59pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I agree that we need more Star Wars stories about Luke. Also I hope that Luke never fights the One Sith or it means that Darth Krayt will killed poor old Luke. -----signature----- Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 8:04pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Emperor_Time posted: I agree that we need more Star Wars stories about Luke. Also I hope that Luke never fights the One Sith or it means that Darth Krayt will killed poor old Luke. Actually, I look forward to seeing Krayt vs. Luke. I think Luke will win but it'll show Krayt as powerful
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DarthGeist Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 4/19/08 8:20pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Luke should never confront the One Sith. (A) It would ruin the air of secrecy around them (B) It would mean that Luke would have to die by their hand (as had been said here). (C) It leaves more possibilities for Luke's (eventual) death. Besides, Luke could have just warned the order as a force ghost. Ok. NOW I'm gone for the weekend ciao -----signature----- "Women are like wookies: Let the wookie win." - My personal philosphy on conflict resolution in relationships "Not a good idea to tell a woman she's like a wookie. Doesn't translate" - My personal philosphy on avoiding relationship conflicts
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 8:30pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: Aren't there MORE stories to tell with Luke Skywalker? I could name 100 stories OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD that I would like to see Luke Skywalker handle. Really? Could you name some?
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/19/08 9:01pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	DarthGeist Perhaps the reason Luke is the way he is currently is because, as Grand Master and a jack-of-all trades, there is so many aspects of Luke that the authors can't grasp in which way he is to be shaped. You may have a point here, DG... I think part of the problem is that every author sees Luke differently, so there is no consistency to his characterization. I do think that a major decision needs to be made of where Luke goes from LotF, where he is apparently so unsure of himself in Invincible that he's unwilling to do his duty and confront Jacen. This is definitely NOT the ending I wanted to see for Luke for this series. And I don't want to see Luke left there, as a loser, a has-been. Another story needs to be written where Luke regains his status as Jedi Grandmaster and hero, and where he is shown as wise and competent. The book publisher may be moving toward more books with the next generation characters for the future, but I think that before they go forward with that, they need to do right by Luke. He has been written so poorly and out-of-character for so long that SW "fans" are again calling for his death. The next book or series needs to reestablish Luke Skywalker as the great character and hero that he used to be before Luke is relegated to a more background role. DurronFan I suppose I can't really disagree with that. But likewise it shouldn't be be far-fetched for me to want him to be a character of more intrigue than heroism. I will admit that I like my heroes to act like heroes. Haven't seen Luke do much of that in LotF unfortunately. And it's not that Luke struggles with decisions. It's that he seems to do this all the time. And that gets annoying fast! Luke often makes one decision and then changes his mind. I don't find wishy-washiness to be be "interesting". And flaws would be fine if Luke weren't written with more flaws than positive traits which is what we've gotten in LotF! Charlemagne19 It's one way of getting Luke out of the way for a novel. I find it sad that anyone would WANT to get Luke "out of the way" for Invincible. And certainly Jacen poisoning Luke would NOT be what I would consider a great way to get Luke "out of the way". I would much prefer that the authors come up with another heroic and difficult job for Luke to perform instead of just hiding him in the background somewhere while pasting his face on Jaina's. Charlemagne19 Which for me, summarizes the fact that a lot of authors who might actually love telling stories about Luke Skywalker don't actually get to do that. And that really IS too bad, because I think that when an author truly loves a character and wants to tell a story about him/her those stories are going to be far better than stories where an authors is forced to use a character that he/she doesn't want to use. That characterizations are going to be far better too. Kathy Tyers and Timothy Zahn both like the character of Luke Skywalker, for example and I think it shows in their books. Aren't there MORE* stories to tell with Luke Skywalker? I could name 100 stories OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD that I would like to see Luke Skywalker handle.* I agree. It bothers me when I see people say that they want to get rid of Luke, that they're tired of reading about him. It's my feeling that they're "tired" of Luke or "bored" with him because of the way he has been written in the NJO, DN, and LotF. If Luke would be given better roles and would be written as more competent and decisive by authors who really WANT to write about him, I don't think anyone would be complaining about Luke's "immortality". Superman and Spiderman and James Bond are immortal. We know going into a film or comic book that they're going to survive. Yet that doesn't take away the excitement or the suspense or the surprise of well-told stories about them. The same is true of Luke. As you said, C, there are lots of stories yet to tell about Luke Skywalker. Besides, who would replace Luke Skywalker? I don't see anyone who could be as appealing or interesting or who could carry the SW franchise as well as Luke Skywalker can. Emperor_Time I agree that we need more Star Wars stories about Luke. Also I hope that Luke never fights the One Sith or it means that Darth Krayt will killed poor old Luke. Hey! Have more confidence in our boy Luke, ET! Just because Darth Krayt is still alive in Legacy doesn't mean that Luke couldn't defeat him in a story post LotF!
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 9:06pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	NewStaryknight posted: Charlemagne19 posted: Aren't there MORE stories to tell with Luke Skywalker? I could name 100 stories OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD that I would like to see Luke Skywalker handle. Really? Could you name some? This will include Comic Book, Short story, and Novel hooks. No particular Time Period for Luke will be specified either. Luke Stories that Charles Phipps came up with in 30 Minutes, clocked at 11:36 PM to 12:06 1. Luke Skywalker confronts a rogue vigilante Jedi/Bounty Hunter who slaughters indiscriminately those who commit crimes in the dregs of Coruscant. Luke and he confront each other over their varying methods of justice before Luke defeats him and brings him in. 2. Luke Skywalker discovers the Stormtrooper squadron that killed his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru and goes after them to bring them to justice. The 501st Squadron is filled with supremely talented troopers but after he dispatches/captures 7 of them, the final one he discovers has spent the time since then on the run from the Empire and trying to atone for the senseless murder. 3. Luke Skywalker discovers a Force Sensitive child who might well be his son. In truth, this proves to be an Imperial trick but Luke toys with the prospect of growing a family and what it means to be a Jedi and a father. 4. Ben, Jacen, and Luke Skywalker go on a mission together as their sharply different beliefs of good vs. evil are contrasted. In the end, all three of them are happy and reaffirm their love for one another as they compare contrast the galaxy Post-The Yuuzhan Vong to the OT. 5. Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade are on their honey moon when its rudely interrupted by a group of ruthless Neo-Confederates. Mara and Luke discuss the fact that they're never going to be able to settle down and have a normal life. The two reaffirm their love for one another and their okeyness with this. 6. Luke Skywalker meets with Pooja Naberrie after the events of The Yevetha Trilogy and the two talk about Padme Amidala's "Lost Legacy." Even more fun if there's sexual tension, the two discover that it is actually Amidala's love notes to Anakin. 7. Luke Skywalker confonts a hallucinatory Anakin Skywalker when journeying to the land of the Novan Warriors and the two share a fire light tale as they talk about their conflicting goals in life and ideals. By morning, Anakin Skywalker fades away as Luke reaffirms his desire to be like him. 8. Luke Skywalker and Alex Winger Jedi Knight have a romantic storyline about aging and loss in the wake of Mara Jade's death along with Alex Winger's own husband (Dair Haslip) perishing at the hands of Peace Brigade holdouts. The two affirm their desire to move on with their lives and be happy. 9. Luke Skywalker heads to the planet Korriban to investigate a Sith cult worshiping Emperor Palpatine. There, he confronts Darth Krayt and the two have a lightsaber duel where Luke soundly defeats the Dark Lord. Krayt screams and wails but Luke then proceeds to maroon the One Sith on the planet and erase all knowledge of Korriban. The One Sith are spared from leaving Korriban for the next century. 10. Luke Skywalker discovers Obi Wan Kenobi's grand niece may have the Force and goes to test her. Instead, he finds a fiesty smuggler uninterested in being a Jedi Knight but ultimately convinces her to take up the mantle as she discovers that the Jedi aren't the athestetic monks she thought they'd be. 11. Luke Skywalker is delivered a brutal Sith poison by Lord Cronal (or another leftover Dark Jedi) which removes Luke Skywalker's powers over the Force. Luke, despite being rendered powerless, eventually defeats the would be Sith Lord and vows to continue serving the Light Side despite having no power in the Force. Later, it'd discovered the affect is only temporary. 12. Luke Skywalker explains how he became a Jedi Master as he travels with Kenth Hamner, his young protege during the period of HTTE, and we discover it's an alias for Ken Palpatine. Ken is tempted strongly by the Dark Side when he feels he needs to stop Palpatine's ressurection but Luke ultimately reveals the entire test is just illusions he's conjured to test ken's moral character. Kenth becomes the 2nd of the New Jedi Order. 13. Luke Skywalker finds himself amnesiac in one of the oldest stories in the books. Ultimately, he ends up getting involved in a fun Knights of the Old Republic style romp against a Bothan dictator before Leia helps her brother remember who he is. Also fun for showing Luke's personality without the Force. Even more fun if Luke has a brief May-December Romance during this. 14. Luke Skywalker is issued a challenge by an old Rogue Squadron comrade that Luke dishonorably discharged for his merciless Anti-Imperial ways. Said Comrade has rigged up a ysalamari based ship for a starfighter duel to take place in to determine whose the best pilot in the universe. Worse, the man has kidnapped an entire Space Station he intends to gas if Luke "cheats." Luke wins but his old comrade's treachery to take revenge is done by gassing them anyway. Luke, however, employed Jaina to save their lives while he finished off the Rebel traitor. 15. Luke Skywalker ends up marooned on an isolated and primitive society where he discovers they worship the Sith's memory. Luke Skywalker successfully defeats their High priest and they decide to worship him as a god, we discover Luke has no desire for such even as he's smitten with the High Priestess who loves him. A reminder Luke doesn't do this for honor or glory. (similiar to COPL admittedly) 16. A Yuuzhan Vong era story where Luke Skywalker here's one of his students has been captured. Luke Skywalker proceeds to head to the Yuuzhan Vong's chief manufacturing world and proceeds to destroy their shipyards plus lead a slave revolt. He discovers to his horror that the student sold him out to save his planet from destruction. The student tries to get Luke to kill him but Luke persuades his student to recant and the two of them lead the Republic to save the student's planet from conquest. 17. Luke finds himself invited to play in a "Most Dangerous Game" style scenario with a Dracula-style Anzati Count whose been cybernetically altered by Darth Vader to be the greatest hunter ever. Luke is drugged to muddy his force connection and his lightsaber taken away but ultimately turns the table on the Anzati, finishing off the vampire by driving a wooden spear through his heart. 18. Luke Skywalker must play Detective on Serreno as he conducts a diplomatic mission to bring the Rich Dooku-like overlords into the Republic only to have one side murder the other. Luke turns the tables on the decadent aristocrats who continually try and seduce him with promises of the "greater good" vs. Luke's own simple idealism. Ultimately, Luke overthrows the aging aristocracy even though it seems that it will hurt the Rebellion to do so. (similiar to Starfighters of Adumar). 19. Luke Skywalker is confronted with an issue of Droid Rights as he meets the Iron Knights when a bunch of Droids seize a planet for their very own. The Republic intends to blast the rebellious droids to pieces but Luke must examine what it means to be alive before he ultimately threatens to change the face of Republic society forever by championing the enslaved Droid classes! R2 and C3PO guest star. 20. Luke Skywalker vs. Kir Kanos. Nuff said. Can Kir be persuaded to abandon his allegiance to the Emperor or will he flee before the greatest Jedi ever. Kir it turns out, just wants Luke to kill him.
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 10:09pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	^^^Wow! Your good! I don't really see how number 7# can happen but other than that nice job! Let us all know if you come up with any more.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 10:15pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	NewStaryknight posted: ^^^Wow! Your good! I don't really see how number 7# can happen but other than that nice job! Let us all know if you come up with any more. Force Vision. ;-)
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 4/19/08 10:22pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Impressive, Charles. Most impressive. [/Vader] Who are the Novan Warriors, though? -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 10:37pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/19/08 10:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	RK_Striker_JK_5 posted: Impressive, Charles. Most impressive. [/Vader] Who are the Novan Warriors, though? I misspelled their name. Nelvaan warriors. It's from the Clone Wars cartoon. But yes, the 20 ideas I came up with in 30 minutes isn't meant to actually convey a bunch of fan-fic ideas. It's just that telling stories about Luke Skywalker and his past aren't really that difficult to come up with. Even if a lot of them result in Luke losing the Force or are character examination pieces, they just go to show that there's plenty of stories left to tell.
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 4/19/08 10:43pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	2. Luke Skywalker discovers the Stormtrooper squadron that killed his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru and goes after them to bring them to justice. Wait, what? Why? That was Daddy Dearest's fault, and he's already dead. -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 10:53pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Trip posted: 2. Luke Skywalker discovers the Stormtrooper squadron that killed his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru and goes after them to bring them to justice. Wait, what? Why? That was Daddy Dearest's fault, and he's already dead. I imagine it's because... 1. The Stormtroopers who killed Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru are listed in a database somewhere. 2. It's questionable whether Darth personally ordered it. 3. Even if he did, it's STILL something Luke would do. Admittedly, the plot works best when Luke is a younger man.
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/19/08 10:54pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: But yes, the 20 ideas I came up with in 30 minutes isn't meant to actually convey a bunch of fan-fic ideas. It's just that telling stories about Luke Skywalker and his past aren't really that difficult to come up with. Even if a lot of them result in Luke losing the Force or are character examination pieces, they just go to show that there's plenty of stories left to tell. Oh all those you said have to do with his past? I can just as easily see some of them being in his future, considering he has one of course.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 11:02pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	NewStaryknight posted: Oh all those you said have to do with his past? I can just as easily see some of them being in his future, considering he has one of course. All of them were meant to be from any period of Luke's life basically. I could just as easilly do all of them in Luke's present but I'd probably need more than a half-hour. ;-)
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