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The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 4/19/08 11:45pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: 2. It's questionable whether Darth personally ordered it. -----signature----- "You were fantastic. We're free!" "Kara, we're inside a Russian airbase in the middle of Afghanistan."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/19/08 11:57pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	The_Four_Dot_Elipsis posted: Charlemagne19 posted: 2. It's questionable whether Darth personally ordered it. I'm not sure art actually counts. But it doesn't really matter since I think Luke would still go after them
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 4/20/08 12:31am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I got one: NR time period A man, powerful in the force, claims to be Luke Skywalker. However, he looks nothing like the Luke they know. Add to the fact that Luke is with them and a problem ensues. The big three decided to take the other Luke with them and get to the bottom of this. They end up going around the galaxy while evidence is starting to point towards this other guy being the real Luke! Leia feels a closer force connection to this impostor and doesn't share the bond with the real Luke anymore. DNA tests damn the real Luke as the impostor! Luke, though, through his insight and investigations, discovers this to be an elaborate plot to get a Dark Jedi to be in charge of the Jedi Order and must find a way to stop this impostor and his helpers before he loses his very identity. -----signature----- "Those of us who don't believe in science are being attacked by forces we don't understand...like momentum, acceleration, and gravity." Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10! Property of JEDI_TEEGIRLOO Currently the most attractive guy in the EUC
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/20/08 1:26am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: All of them were meant to be from any period of Luke's life basically. Thats what I thought. But if you could make up stories for post-LOTF or even post-DNT what would they be?
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 1:39am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	NewStaryknight posted: Thats what I thought. But if you could make up stories for post-LOTF or even post-DNT what would they be? In general, I'd probably focus on Luke Skywalker just adventuring about and exploring the galaxy. Since Ben would only be fourteen, I'd love to do a "Jedi Apprentice" series where Luke Skywalker is the Qui Gon Jinn and Ben Skywalker is his overeager younger apprentice. I think a lot of fun would be in Luke Skywalker exploring the Post-Yuuzhan Vong War galaxy and maybe the Post-Second Confederacy to try and make the galaxy a better place. I'd also liberally steal from other Science Fiction because Star Wars does that with regularity. We'd see Luke against armies of robots and evil fascist Empires. But character wise, I think that Luke Skywalker would mostly warp into the quirky old man, Obi Wan Kenobi/Qui Gon Jinn type. I think you could also play with aging in Star Wars as well with Luke Skywalker remaining reasonably young and vital in a mid-forties type way well into the Star Wars eighties. If necessary, I'd give an In-Universe reason like a Jedi technique that allows a Jedi to rejuvenate his body to a certain extent or perhaps a new modern medicine. I wouldn't want to give Luke immortality but I think we've overaged him in the Star Wars galaxy. Honor Harrington is in her mid-sixties and she's still twenty-something looking. Luke should look like Mara jade did on Sacrifice, young and vital (even if Mara was a bit TOO young). I'd like to see Luke Skywalker remain interested in fighting evil and derring do despite his over-aging even if he's somewhat older. I'm reminded of many of Sean Connery's roles (The Rock, Entrapment, and so on) for inspiration or some of the Harrison Ford Tom Clancy adaptations. I wouldn't be adverse to having Luke have some flirtations Post-Mara but it should be a subject handled with extreme delicacy because, frankly, Mara's death sucked. It would have to be portrayed as an adult relationship with suitable respect to Mara and probably someone that he feels a connection to. To keep "Legacy" intact, it might be better to avoid anymore Skywalker children but it could be interesting to see Luke adopt some children. I don't think it fits the character to remain a heartbroken widower for the remaining 6 decades of his life even if Mara should remain his One True Love (like Gwen Stacy will always be Spiderman's One True Love while Mary Jane was his wife).
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 2:26am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	If I had to give ten examples of a Post-LOTF set of adventures, they'd probably look like this. 10 Post-Legacy of the Force Luke Plots 1. Luke Skywalker goes on a mission to deal with a large number of Jacen Solo Loyalists who've seized a massive fleet around Adumar and its infrastructure to making bombs (they intend to conduct a terror campaign across the galaxy in Jacen's name). Luke has to deal with his feelings towards his nephew's mass murder of so many people and insane philosophy. We gain a depth of feeling for Luke feeling he's lost a son, failed Jacen Solo as a mentor, and his own inner torment. After Luke is nearly killed (the GAG bomb Luke Skywalker from the skies---which even Luke is hard pressed to survive), he's visited by the ghost of his father who helps him come to terms with this loss. 2. Luke Skywalker is dead! That's what the headlines read as the Jedi Council fear their mentor has been killed. The Jedi are thrown into chaos as a young padawan is adopted by a mysterious Jedi Master known as "Biggs." We get an outsiders' view from the little girl on the New Jedi Order. The Jedi Council must cope with a terrorist plot by Chiss Joiners to blow up the temple. In truth, Luke Skywalker used his Fallassai illusions to fake his death as a test for the Jedi. The Jedi Council proves it can function without him and Luke resumes his place, with his new padawan. However, Luke also says that from now on, he's going to feel free to go where the Force wills him on missions that he feels need his touch. Kyp Durron is named "Senior Jedi Master" under the Grandmaster and manages the Council when Luke's off kicking butt. 3. Luke Skywalker finds himself face to face with Darth Krayt. Darth Krayt takes Luke Skywalker to Dromuund Kaas and the Sith Lord blasts Luke Skywalker for his constant failures to bring peace to the galaxy. The two duel as Krayt wages a cat and mouse game using his various students as pawns. Luke Skywalker slays most of them before facing down Krayt. Krayt is badly wounded as Luke says that it's not his responsibility to bring peace to the galaxy, it's his responsibility to TRY TO and to keep working at it no matter what. Krayt has a "ambiguous death" as Luke has wounded him that he must enter a healing trance for a century. 4. Luke Skywalker heads to the Unknown Regions and finds himself face to face with the Celestials, a vast race of ancient and powerful beings that have enough power to devastate the whole of the galaxy with their vast Star Forge like manufacturing units and huge armies of superpowerful droids (including Landos Vuffi Raa). The Chiss have been fighting them for thousands of years. To totally subvert the usual cliches, Luke Skywalker successfully discovers the resting place of the original Celestials (a race of Near-Humans and awakens them), thus ending the huge galaxy spanning war before it begins. 5. Luke Skywalker has a most unusual moment where a bunch of GAG terrorists go to elaborate lengths to steal Luke's hairbrush off all things. Tracking them down, he finds they're part of the Cult of Vergere that reveres the Sith Pigeon's teachings and were Lumiya's former followers. Luke discovers they intended to create a super-child from Luke's DNA and Lumiya's to once more carry out their Sith dreams. Luke confronts Vergeres and Lumiya's Sith ghosts in their ancient temple on the Dxun's Moon. In the end, Luke Skywalker defeats them as he makes his peace with their ghosts (Lumiya's spirit actually apologizing to him for all the pain she caused him) and Luke forgiving her. Then he breaks up the cult before taking their children to better lives. 6. Luke Skywalker discovers Callista has been murdered! Rushing almost immediately to her side, he finds that this is a trap instead by a Corporate Sector Authority Executive whom believes Luke Skywalker as a Jedi Knight possesses an ability to cure the Executive's incurable disease. He finds that Callista actually isn't dead when he discovers that she's in fact a prisoner and meets her daughter, a Jedi Knight that she trained herself. There's some back and forth as to whether Callista's daughter is Luke's child and they deal with the topic frankly. Ultimately, she has a father though and they eventually defeat the executive's horde of Dark Side creatures taken from Korriban and weird traps he's set up. In the end, Luke helps the man by allowing him to suffer no pain and foresees after his forgiveness that he'll devote the rest of his life to making the galaxy a better place. 7. Luke finds himself marooned on a planet wracked by a brutal occupation by Killik Joiners that have seperated from the Hive and adopted the worst elements of Imperials. In truth, Luke discovers they're attempting to gain the individuality of humans. Luke can't fight an entire Killik planet by himself but leads the resistance against them and we get a reminder of Luke the Rebel in miniature. In the end, he manages to seperate all of the Joiners from the Nest Queen's leadership before destroying her. Strangely, the Ex-Joiner that Luke Skywalker has a romance with decides to help them reach the stars and teach them about individuality. 8. Luke Skywalker has to deal with the most awkward challenge of his career. Luke Skywalker discovers that because of his defeat of Supreme Overlord Shimmra and the Resurrected Palpatine, a Cult has emerged around Luke (though one might genuinely call it a religion since it spans several worlds at this point). A lot of humor is derived from the fact that Luke finds out about his father's supposed Virgin Birth here and while he intends to set them straight, he'd disturbed that a lot of the leaders of the cult were people he'd saved in the past and are genuinely looking for meaning in a ravaged galaxy. Luke discovers and thwarts a plot by Die Hard Imperial Loyalists to poison the majority of Luke Skywalker's faith in order to turn Galactic sympathy against him. In the end, he reaffirms that he's just a man and that he hopes they'll revere the values he holds rather than him. Thus, his religion turns to veneration of the Force itself. Some funny romantic tension with the female religious leader who adores Luke as a moral guide. 9. Another funny "You don't see Luke Skywalker in many situations like this" moment, which is what I think authors should do more of instead of rehashing old plots. Luke Skywalker has been left the entire fortune of Tagge Co. by its last surviving Baron. Suddenly a multi-quadrillionaire, Luke intends to sell his shares and set up a foundation to help rebuild Post-Yuuzhan Vong damage. Luke, unsurprisingly, is betrayed by the Tagge heirs who he finds out hate him because he destroyed the Empire/killed Baron Tagge/destroyed the Yuuzhan Vong when they collaborated/defeated Jacen Solo and thus pretty much ruined their fortunes. Thus, they intend to clone Luke and use his good name to rebuild their Empire. Luke rather easilly defeats the spoiled brats despite their armies of mercenaries before finding out that they're just the front men for the Last of the Emperor's High inquisitors. Tremayne has set up explosives or some similiar moral trap all over the city of Tagge with the usual supervillain "Which one will you save" business. In the end, Luke realizes, Tremayne wants Luke to kill him because he has nothing else. Luke denies him this final dignity and the last of the Emperor's Dark Jedi takes his own life. 10. Luke Skywalker is infected by a Yuuzhan Vong disease quite by accident that strips him of his Force Powers for the better part of three months until his body forces out the disease. Luke insists on carrying out his duties as normal and ends up on a comedy of errors where with a grown beard, no one recognizes him and we get to see Luke on the other side of the law when he ends up "commandeering" a smuggler's ship to go chase after one of Jacen Solo's few remaining War Criminal Henchmen. Luke briefly flirts with a widowed mother that's part of the ships crew (much like "Dark Times" heroine)
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/20/08 3:13am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	ChildOfWinds posted: Jedi Ben, you mentioned in a recent post that Kyp falling to the dark in NJO was probably never in the cards for him because Exar Kun "indelibly seared his mind with a healthy fear of the dark side". I would think that Luke's near brushes with the dark side, both in DE and in killing Lumiya for revenge in Sacrifice would have done that for Luke too. Well, I wish they would have explained it that way in the NJO instead of making Luke look like such a wishy-washy, indecisive idiot. As Jedi Ben said, it really does make sense when you think about it that Luke would be cautious with his 100 Jedi knights. As he said, what kind of a chance do 100 Jedi have against millions of Vong? The Jedi DO have to be selective about where, when, and how to act. Even though they'd like to save everyone, it simply isn't possible. If this delemma had been brought up in the NJO, maybe it wouldn't have bothered me so much that Luke seemed so indecisive. Well, in regard to Luke, I did mention him in the post you refer to: "I don't think that was ever on the cards, although NJO did do Kyp a major disservice. My take is his experience with Exar Kun indelibly seared his mind with a healthy fear of the dark side. If anything we can liken his dealings with a too cocky by half Jaina to Luke dealing with Corran in IJ. Both tell the other they should beware the dark side but are unable to convey the sheer soul-destroying horror it represents." The limitations of power aspect would have also been a way of advancing DR's realism agenda in a good way, instead of turning it off and on like a tap. Sadly, I don't think NJO was ever up to dealing with the truly vicious reality of war. The only SW EU book that has really done that so far has been Shatterpoint and I see that as representing the zenith for it. -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 4/20/08 9:24am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/20/08 9:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: Dawud786
	Charlemagne19 posted: NewStaryknight posted: Thats what I thought. But if you could make up stories for post-LOTF or even post-DNT what would they be? In general, I'd probably focus on Luke Skywalker just adventuring about and exploring the galaxy. Since Ben would only be fourteen, I'd love to do a "Jedi Apprentice" series where Luke Skywalker is the Qui Gon Jinn and Ben Skywalker is his overeager younger apprentice. I think a lot of fun would be in Luke Skywalker exploring the Post-Yuuzhan Vong War galaxy and maybe the Post-Second Confederacy to try and make the galaxy a better place. I'd also liberally steal from other Science Fiction because Star Wars does that with regularity. We'd see Luke against armies of robots and evil fascist Empires. But character wise, I think that Luke Skywalker would mostly warp into the quirky old man, Obi Wan Kenobi/Qui Gon Jinn type. I think you could also play with aging in Star Wars as well with Luke Skywalker remaining reasonably young and vital in a mid-forties type way well into the Star Wars eighties. If necessary, I'd give an In-Universe reason like a Jedi technique that allows a Jedi to rejuvenate his body to a certain extent or perhaps a new modern medicine. I wouldn't want to give Luke immortality but I think we've overaged him in the Star Wars galaxy. Honor Harrington is in her mid-sixties and she's still twenty-something looking. Luke should look like Mara jade did on Sacrifice, young and vital (even if Mara was a bit TOO young). I'd like to see Luke Skywalker remain interested in fighting evil and derring do despite his over-aging even if he's somewhat older. I'm reminded of many of Sean Connery's roles (The Rock, Entrapment, and so on) for inspiration or some of the Harrison Ford Tom Clancy adaptations. I wouldn't be adverse to having Luke have some flirtations Post-Mara but it should be a subject handled with extreme delicacy because, frankly, Mara's death sucked. It would have to be portrayed as an adult relationship with suitable respect to Mara and probably someone that he feels a connection to. To keep "Legacy" intact, it might be better to avoid anymore Skywalker children but it could be interesting to see Luke adopt some children. I don't think it fits the character to remain a heartbroken widower for the remaining 6 decades of his life even if Mara should remain his One True Love (like Gwen Stacy will always be Spiderman's One True Love while Mary Jane was his wife). I have a feeling Luke's going to take a more vested interested in the workings of the Jedi Academy proper and once he brings Ben to Jedi Knight status all the younglings and apprentices will be sort of his new surrogate family. Master-apprentice relationships should always carry a familial bond where the Master is a father/mother figure to the apprentice. Especially in the context of the NJO's increasing tendancy to do a sort of Master-padawan type deal with on-the-job training. He'll have been for a while, but that kid'll be a Knight before you know it. Charles posted: 5. Luke Skywalker has a most unusual moment where a bunch of GAG terrorists go to elaborate lengths to steal Luke's hairbrush off all things. Tracking them down, he finds they're part of the Cult of Vergere that reveres the Sith Pigeon's teachings and were Lumiya's former followers. Luke discovers they intended to create a super-child from Luke's DNA and Lumiya's to once more carry out their Sith dreams. Luke confronts Vergeres and Lumiya's Sith ghosts in their ancient temple on the Dxun's Moon. In the end, Luke Skywalker defeats them as he makes his peace with their ghosts (Lumiya's spirit actually apologizing to him for all the pain she caused him) and Luke forgiving her. Then he breaks up the cult before taking their children to better lives. Now this one is interesting. Maybe the hairbrush thing is a bit corny(good silly-ish comic material perhaps), but the spirits of Vergere and Lumiya are interesting. Especially with Luke "making peace" with them. If by that you mean Luke solidifying his role as a redeemer even after death ala Revan and Tulak Hord I'm in full support. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 4/20/08 10:06am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	It would be interesting to see Luke without the Force for an extended period of time. I think after some awkwardness, he'd do all right. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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J_K_DART Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 4/20/08 10:22am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	He got by without it until he met Obi-Wan, after all! No offence, Charles, but the one flaw in the stories you've suggested is that I really wouldn't like Luke's character as such a Lando-like ladies' man lol! Still, we already know we have different views on that score! -----signature----- "Victory without risk is like a pizza without pepperoni." "I like my pizzas without pepperoni." "Sir master of the long post" - Excellence
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 4/20/08 11:17am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: The_Four_Dot_Elipsis posted: Charlemagne19 posted: 2. It's questionable whether Darth personally ordered it. I'm not sure art actually counts. But it doesn't really matter since I think Luke would still go after them So you think Luke is real big on revenge, huh? -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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J_K_DART Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 4/20/08 11:28am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	It's possible that, early on in his career (i.e. rebel days), he might be tempted. But I can't see him falling for that at any other time in his life. -----signature----- "Victory without risk is like a pizza without pepperoni." "I like my pizzas without pepperoni." "Sir master of the long post" - Excellence
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 12:10pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/20/08 12:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Havac posted: So you think Luke is real big on revenge, huh? I think Luke is really big on justice, yeah. I think, the moment he heard who and where the murderers of Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen is, he'd drop everything and then pursue them to the ends of the galaxy because he's the kind of guy who'd consider it an insult to the memory of his loved ones to let monsters like those who'd murdered his family walk free. Also, frankly, it's an excellent contrast to Anakin regarding what he did to the Tuskens. We get to see "Yes, Luke is VERY MUCH like Anakin" and then "But not in the way that matters."
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 4/20/08 12:16pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	J_K_Dart: He got by without it until he met Obi-Wan, after all! Good point. Heck, the other Jedi would worry more than him, methinks. After a bit, Luke would just be, "Okay, back to normalcy. Where's my T-16?" Havac: So you think Luke is real big on revenge, huh? No. He's big on murderers being brought to justice. It wouldn't like he'd catch up with them and slaughter them. Arrest them, bring them to the nearest NRDF outpost and such. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 12:18pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Yes, my idea would be that these Stormtroopers would give Luke a pretty heavy fight. Probably because they're heavily armed, cunning, and know he's coming. Certainly enough to justify a comic book or couple of issues.
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