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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 4/20/08 1:05pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Wasn't Luke's revenge toppling Palpatine's Empire? I mean, tracking down the specific guys who did it seems a bit...extreme. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 1:07pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	BobaMatt posted: Wasn't Luke's revenge toppling Palpatine's Empire? I mean, tracking down the specific guys who did it seems a bit...extreme. I'm not sure how. Luke Skywalker is a Jedi. They're murderers. Murderers deserve to be punished. Besides, the story's ending reaffirms Luke's commitment to forgiveness.
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J_K_DART Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 4/20/08 3:37pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I have to be honest; in the context of a galaxy that's been embroiled in devastating civil war, it does seem a bit extreme, Charles. Anyway, regardless of discussing the appropriateness of a couple of plot-points, your observation still stands: Luke still has plenty of stories left in him. -----signature----- "Victory without risk is like a pizza without pepperoni." "I like my pizzas without pepperoni." "Sir master of the long post" - Excellence
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 3:42pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	J_K_DART posted: I have to be honest; in the context of a galaxy that's been embroiled in devastating civil war, it does seem a bit extreme, Charles. Anyway, regardless of discussing the appropriateness of a couple of plot-points, your observation still stands: Luke still has plenty of stories left in him. I guess it's a point that we just disagree on. This is an example of Luke Skywalker's flaws in action. Does the fate of 8 Stormtroopers really matter in the galaxy? No. However, Luke would ABSOLUTELY abandon his post to do it because everything...the Fate of the Galaxy, the Rebellion, his oaths as an officer, and so on would take immediate second place to honoring the memory of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. It's analogous to his abandoning his Jedi training for Han and Leia. But you're right that it might be possible. Still, I think he'd do it.
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BobaMatt Title: TFN EU Staff Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 4/20/08 3:53pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: BobaMatt posted: Wasn't Luke's revenge toppling Palpatine's Empire? I mean, tracking down the specific guys who did it seems a bit...extreme. I'm not sure how. Luke Skywalker is a Jedi. They're murderers. Murderers deserve to be punished. Besides, the story's ending reaffirms Luke's commitment to forgiveness. I dunno...they're faceless soldiers of the Empire. Singling them out seems odd, especially considering that in the movie he doesn't seem to be in that space emotionally even immediately following their murder. -----signature----- DUNE - Chronicles of the Imperium RP http://boards.theforce.net/non_star_wars_role_playing/b10755/29433346/p1/?11 As Father and Son (An AU RP) http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10 Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 3:58pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	BobaMatt posted: I dunno...they're faceless soldiers of the Empire. Singling them out seems odd, especially considering that in the movie he doesn't seem to be in that space emotionally even immediately following their murder. Well he's "I want to go fight the Empire." And they're not faceless soldiers of the Empire as soon as he knows who they are. It was even a plot point in The Bounty Hunter Trilogy that Kuat of Kuat believed Luke Skywalker would go after Prince Xizor like a madman if he found out he was there.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/20/08 6:44pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Dawud786 : So are you saying that you see Luke's future role as being mostly involved in the Jedi Academy? I can see where he would probably spend more time there, but I also think that Luke is a "doer", a "hands-on" type of guy, so I think that if anything, Luke would spend more time traveling throughout the galaxy mediating problems or exploring new worlds with an apprentice or two, giving the trainees on-the-job training. I'm hoping Ben will be one of Luke's apprentices. Charlemagne19 ' Wow, C! You are very prolific with ideas for stories for Luke Skywalker! I enjoyed reading your lists! The only one that I really disagree with is the one where you have Luke going after the stormtroopers who killed his Aunt and Uncle. I don't like the idea that Luke would seek revenge for the deaths of his guardians. I hated it when he killed Lumiya for revenge, and I wouldn't like having him track down and kill the stormtroopers any better. Luke is the the compassionate one who believes in forgiveness and redemption, after all. That's why his killing of Lumiya was so horrible. It was so against his own personal code. Besides, as others have said, those stormtroopers were ordered to kill Owen and Beru. As Boba Matt said, Luke's revenge for their deaths was really the toppling of Palpatine's empire. I do like number 11, where Luke is given a Sith poison that takes away his Force powers, but he is triumphant anyway and vows to serve the Light even without his Force gifts. I think this would make a really good story. I think it's too often forgotten that Luke has talents beyond his Force powers, and is an awesome character even without them. Timothy Zahn showed us this in Heir to the Empire. But I'm glad that you said that the loss of the Force powers ends up being only temporary in that story idea. I wouldn't want Luke to lose them permanently. I also like number thirteen where Luke suffers from amnesia and Leia ultimately helps him remember who he is. We don't get enough brother/sister stories. I think this one could be quite compelling. I would like your Yuuzhan Vong story too, as well as any story in which Luke plays detective or solves a mystery as he and Mara did in SQ. I also agree that it would be great to have Luke go out adventuring and exploring the galaxy, helping people along the way. I'd love to see him team up with his son Ben for this. I think Luke and Ben would make a great team and a great Master/apprentice pairing. Any stories that take place in the Unknown Regions would be interesting too, as Luke encounters some of those "hundred terrible somethings" that are supposed to be there. I think Luke could be young and vital for a long time. The average lifespan is supposed to be 120, and Jedi can live even longer, so I think we should be able to read about Luke in action for a long time yet! To keep "Legacy" intact, it might be better to avoid anymore Skywalker children I don't really expect that we'll ever see anymore Skywalker children, but I don't think that keeping "Legacy intact" should be a reason for not letting Luke have any more children. After all, if he had a daughter or even a son, their descendants' last names don't necessarily have to be Skywalker by the time of Legacy. OR, they could even have the last name of Skywalker but be in the Unknown regions or in a remote corner of the galaxy where no one knows about them. As to your post LotF ideas, my favorites are number 2, about Luke using the Fallanassi trick to make people believe he's dead so he can see if the Jedi can get along without him; and number 4, where Luke goes to the Unknown Regions and encounters the Celestials. Great ideas, C! Thanks for sharing! And I agree with Dart that Luke isn't a ladies' man like Lando. RK_Striker_JK_5 It would be interesting to see Luke without the Force for an extended period of time. I think after some awkwardness, he'd do all right. I agree. He did just fine for the first 18 years of his life before he ever heard of the Force. He also did well on Myrkr without the use of the Force. Luke has many other gifts besides his Force gifts. I would enjoy a story where Luke couldn't use the Force. However, I would want that to be a temporary thing. I wouldn't want Luke to lose his powers forever.
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Emperor_Time Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 4/20/08 6:47pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	So if Luke dies in the upcoming book then who would become the next Jedi Grand Master of the Jedi Order? Would it be Jaina or Kyp or Kyle or Kam or someone else instead? -----signature----- Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 6:51pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Besides, as others have said, those stormtroopers were ordered to kill Owen and Beru. I'm a great believer the man who pulled the trigger on the Death Star should be hung before Grand Moff Tarkin. He's the man who carried it out and he should be punished first. There's a difference between giving an order and carrying out. The man who carries it out is the man who is on the ground and does the thing. He bears the lion's share of the guilt. But yes, I don't see Luke killing them for vengeance. I see them as Spiderman pursuing Uncle Ben's killer or Batman going after Joe Chill. No, they're not supervillains but they're murderers and he will see them captured and imprisoned for their actions because they cost him someone very dear to him.
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 4/20/08 7:04pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/20/08 7:07pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DurronFan
	Charles, I myself would be a little unconvinced if Luke wanted to travel halfway through the galaxy to bring "justice" to the murderers of his uncle and aunt. Although as a young man it might be part of his learning process I suppose about what "justice" would exactly be for them. It could be a story with a moral lesson, for Luke at least. I like that you put so much effort into thinking about all those alternate stories for Luke, nice job! EDIT: -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/20/08 7:09pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/20/08 7:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	I guess I just feel that its a golden opportunity to compare and contrast Anakin Skywalker's massacre of the Tuskens to how Luke would react. I'm less interested in how Luke Skywalker finds out about them as the murderers than he encounters them and how he deals with them. Somehow, I don't see Luke Skywalker offering to sing Kumbaya and offering marsmellow smores to them. No offence, Charles, but the one flaw in the stories you've suggested is that I really wouldn't like Luke's character as such a Lando-like ladies' man lol! Still, we already know we have different views on that score! tongue I don't see him as a Ladies Man, so much as a romantic. :-) I'd hate to get rid of Gaeriel, Callista, Mara Jade, or any of the other Girls.
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/20/08 7:52pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I just hope that there are Luke stories post LOTF, thats my one prayer for now.
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DeJade_Vu Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 4/21/08 5:34am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	AnnLouise posted: Actually, he's acting more in the Clinically Depressed with Mistaken Vengence Killing mode, alternating with Plot-Driven Catatonic State. Succinct description, I definitely get the picture now (unfortunately). [quote=ChildOfWinds I think AnnLouise covered this pretty well when she said: " Actually, he's acting more in the Clinically Depressed with Mistaken Vengence Killing mode, alternating with Plot-Driven Catatonic State." As someone on this thread said, Luke has been doing SOME "stuff", but it hasn't really amounted to anything. He hasn't really accomplished any of his goals or been successful at anything except killing Lumiya for revenge, and that's something he SHOULDN'T have done. I still think Luke has been on the sidelines too much, grieving over Mara, beating himself up for killing Lumiya, and in such a state of depression that Ben was worried that his father was considering suicide. [/quote] He was worried Luke was considering suicide? When I was reading your post, here in the computer suite in NUI Galway, Ireland, and read your last sentence, my jaw dropped. Here, in Ireland. Oh my gosh. I can understand the depression, but killing Lumiya for revenge? And so depressed his son is concerned for his life? This is ridiculous. This cements my determination not to read those boooks--ever since NJO (or arguably before that) they have been moving farther from anything I can identify as "Star Wars" and turning into tragedy-soaked psychology-infused dramas with bits of horror thrown in for good measure (all the gory killings fit in there). What the heck are they doing with my universe? -----signature----- I'm a PBS mind in an MTV world. ~Eschew Obfuscation~ Pope Benedict XVI Owns You I want it--I want my phonecall. --the Joker Mara Jade Forever
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 4/21/08 9:27am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Luke was not considering suicide. He was just depressed about living without Mara, and there was a part of him that just wanted to give up and go be with her as soon as possible. Not overwhelmingly, not consciously, but he was just kind of disconnected. Ben pointed it out, and Luke snapped back into shape. No biggie. -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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J_K_DART Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 4/21/08 1:32pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I don't know, Havac, it seemed to be deliberately ambiguous imo. -----signature----- "Victory without risk is like a pizza without pepperoni." "I like my pizzas without pepperoni." "Sir master of the long post" - Excellence
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