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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:06pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: Actually some generals did. However, I think Luke is not the kind of man who wants to retire peacefully. Even if all the galaxy wars stopped, Luke would continue fighting. Yes, Luke is Big Boss! So Ben Skywalker is Solid Snake! That means....somewhere....he has a brother! -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:12pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Actually, bizarrely, I think Anakin is Big Boss. Luke is Solid. Secret Apprentice is Liquid. And Leia is Solidus since she was president! :-) That means that Jacen is Rayden since no one likes him.
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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:14pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 1:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: masterskywalker
	I approve of the Metal Gear comparisons of this thread. Can't wait for MGS4. "That means that Jacen is Rayden since no one likes him." Please, Raiden pwns Jacen anytime. -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:15pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	MGS4 may really screw up that structure Charles, it might make Rayden cool! -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:16pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 1:18pm (1 edits total) Edited By: masterskywalker
	"Snake, my turn to protect you." Actually, I find Luke closer to Solid than Big Boss. Solid has to deal with his cursed family legacy, patricide, and choosing to fight for the future for a world that forgets the sacrifice of those who fight for it. -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:30pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	All right, votes please for the following scene to be done: Luke is investigating a criminal gang he suspects to be seeking Sith Amulets, he's ambushed by one of them who has a gun on him. "You're a rookie." "I'm no rookie!" "You've got rookie's eyes." Rookie goes to fire, cue a lightning fast lightsaber deflection! -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:35pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 1:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ChildOfWinds
	Havac Actually, he was just tearing up because he's proud of Ben. He probably would have done that regardless of whether Mara was dead or not. Well, Ben said he was CRYING, which is a bit different from tearing up. And while I'll agree that it's okay for a father to be really proud of a son, it's also true that Ben was being really careful about what he said to Luke. He seemed to think his father was "on the edge" emotionally. Ben didn't even tell Luke that he had seen Mara's Force ghost at first, partly because he didn't want to hurt his father's feelings if Luke hadn't seen her. (which he hadn't at this point). But I think he also concerned that his father's emotions were so raw. So, I don't think that Luke was "back to normal". Not even close. NewStaryknight Just because a man gets choked up a little because he's proud of his son doesn't mean he's emotionally unstable. Then why do you think that Luke is afraid to face Jacen/Caedus? Even though he really would have the best chance of defeating Jacen/Caedus, and even though fallen Jedi should be the responsiblity of the Jedi Grandmaster, Luke apparently is sending a bunch of people to do the job, but is staying on the sidelines himself. If Luke were emotionally stable don't you think he would trust himself to stay on the Lightside when confronting his nephew? Striker, you're right that Mara shouldn't have been killed off. She and Luke should have been able to grow old together. And Starry, what do you think could happen in the future that would give Luke "happiness in his life" now that Mara is dead and his nephew is a Sith Lord? Jedi Ben , As of Revelation, I believe Luke is 58. He's been fighting wars for 4 decades! At some point people are going to ask: Geez, can't this guy get a break? In the real world it'd be like a man fighting: World War 2, Korea, Vietnam. And, unfortunately for Luke, it's even been more wars than that during those 4 decades. He fought in the Rebellion against the Empire plus lots of smaller conflicts with the Ssi-Ruvi, the Yevetha, the Corellian insurrection, pirates, etc. while continuing to fight the Empire. Then there was the long and bloody Yuuzhan Vong war, followed by the Killik War, and then the current war in LotF. There were only a few years of peace between any of those wars. I would say Luke should be pretty battle-weary by now. Charlemagne19 However, I think Luke is not the kind of man who wants to retire peacefully. Even if all the galaxy wars stopped, Luke would continue fighting. Why would Luke fight if there were no wars??? I don't see Luke as blood-thirsty. He only fights because he feels it's his duty and responsibility. I think Luke would LOVE to live in a relatively peaceful galaxy where he could teach and travel and explore the galaxy with his son and apprentice, Ben! They could solve problems and mediate disputes together.
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masterskywalker Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 4/22/08 2:05pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 2:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: masterskywalker
	Or Ben, how about the following. Random Ex-Storm Trooper: "Freeze" Luke: "You haven't even taken the safety off rookie." Random Ex-Storm Trooper: "I'm no rookie! I'm a ten year vet!" Luke does force powered judo throw, stormy is on the ground Luke: "How did you ever survive ten years?" "They could solve problems and mediate disputes together." Which would be boring as heck. -----signature----- Peace to corrupt, no less than war to waste.
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NewStaryknight Registered: Dec '07	Date Posted: 4/22/08 2:06pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	ChildOfWinds posted: Then why do you think that Luke is afraid to face Jacen/Caedus? Even though he really would have the best chance of defeating Jacen/Caedus, and even though fallen Jedi should be the responsiblity of the Jedi Grandmaster, Luke apparently is sending a bunch of people to do the job, but is staying on the sidelines himself. If Luke were emotionally stable don't you think he would trust himself to stay on the Lightside when confronting his nephew? And Starry, what do you think could happen in the future that would give Luke "happiness in his life" now that Mara is dead and his nephew is a Sith Lord? To your first post; IU it's because Luke has always had a deep fear of becoming like his father, has ever since those dreaded words "I am you father." That fear has never really left him but up until now he's been able to regress it, because he's never had a loss as powerful as Mara's death. If Han Solo, the big tough guy could become a manic depressive for a time when he lost Chewie and Leia can literally be knocked out cold when feeling Anakins death in the force, then it makes sense that Luke is in a very dark place right now when his own nephew killed his wife. So now he thinks that if he faces Cadeus, the Sith wannabe will pride and poke him to the point that Luke kills him in complete rage and discontent and as a man who must, among many responsibilities, provide a good example for both his son and the whole Jedi Order he can't do that. There's just too much at stake. So it befalls to a person who he thinks can manage fighting him better emotionally than him, which is Jaina. I don't know why he thinks Jaina will fair any better, but that just falls to what the deal is OU. The authors wanted to make Jaina the hero, so they make Luke incapable of facing the bad guy so that she can do it. As to your second question; I think theres a lot of things that could make Luke happy. I feel that him watching what kind of man Ben is shaping up to be in this series is bringing him great joy (hence the reason he cried, its natural). I also think that him watching Leia come into her own as a Jedi and then one day take on an apprentice of her own will also give Luke great joy. I know he's going to be thrilled when he finds out who Allana is to him, and Jaina really proves herself of her title of Sword of the Jedi, and manages to stop Cadeus without killing him, that will make Luke really happy. Happiness will come at some point, they said there'd be more joyful moments and I'm going to continue to believe in that. Its all I can do.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22/08 2:28pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 3:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Why would Luke fight if there were no wars??? I don't see Luke as blood-thirsty. He only fights because he feels it's his duty and responsibility. I think Luke would LOVE to live in a relatively peaceful galaxy where he could teach and travel and explore the galaxy with his son and apprentice, Ben! They could solve problems and mediate disputes together. Because there would be crime instead to fight. I guess my point is that I consider Luke Skywalker a champion of the people who derives his enjoyment from saving innocent lives and kicking ass in the name of the Lor....err Force. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WytYLFDdTpI He's going to seek out the next battle even if there's galactic peace.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22/08 3:53pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 3:53pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	On a related note, Child of Winds asked me to repost something from the EUC SOS thread on James Luceno's work, personally I'm not going to because I consider the EUC just as much the "Real" SOS thread as much as this one (if not actually slightly moreso). However, one thing that is related is a couple of questions. 1. Just what is the limit of Luke Skywalker's powers? In TUF, Luke pretty much seems to use Vapaad as James Luceno says is a perfect explanation of the kind of deadly lightsaber mastery he displays and emotional intensity. Does it diminish Mace Windu to have Luke Skywalker able to do it instinctively? 2. To What Level should Luke be able to use the Force for proactive defense?: Fighting Shimmra he used something that appeared to be Force Lightning but James Luceno implies it wasn't. Some fans would prefer a Kyle Katarn-esque hero who gets to use the Dark Side powers to get the job done. and this brings up my next view. "To what level do we reinvent Luke for the next generation?" Batman is reinvented constantly by writers to keep pace with the changing times and to also reflect differnet interpretations of the character. One amusing thing was that one of my RPG group who reads this thread actually made a joke about my take on him. Michael "So, your Luke is a badass romantic who plays by his own rules and reveals in fighting evil while rescuing the girl?" Me "Well, I don't know if badass is the right word but under certain circumstances. Yeah." Michael "You want Luke written more like Dante then?" (from Devil May Cry) Me "Everyone would laugh at me on the SOS list if I said that but....yeah, kinda."
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/22/08 3:56pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	>Does it diminish Mace Windu to have Luke Skywalker able to do it instinctively? I don't think so, given the high midichlorianation of the Skywalker line. -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22/08 3:58pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Arawn_Fenn posted: >Does it diminish Mace Windu to have Luke Skywalker able to do it instinctively? I don't think so, given the high midichlorianation of the Skywalker line. Yeah, on the other hand, if Luke fought Mace Windu. I'm fairly sure that Mace would win 5 times out of ten. One of the ongoing funny jokes of the Prequels is Anakin's defeat after defeat.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 4/22/08 4:05pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Luke in ROTJ or Luke later on after more experience? -----signature----- "You're both from strange little backwater planets. You both have odd powers. You're male and she's female. What more do you need? Believe me, buddy, if I were you, I'd go right up there and ask her if she wants to ride on my rancor." - Han Solo
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22/08 4:08pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Arawn_Fenn posted: Luke in ROTJ or Luke later on after more experience? Luke at the top of his game. There shouldn't be that much difference between the best of the Jedi warriors and Luke.
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