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DarthGeist Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 4/22/08 8:56pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	lol! The NJO was the first Star Wars books that I had picked up in YEARS. I loved everything about them ... Especially Luke! In fact, when I think about Luke now, most of his iconic moments for me was in NJO. But VOTF? Is that Visions of the Force? Haven't read it I don't think. Guess I'm gonna have to hit up Wookie -----signature----- "Women are like wookies: Let the wookie win." - My personal philosphy on conflict resolution in relationships "Not a good idea to tell a woman she's like a wookie. Doesn't translate" - My personal philosphy on avoiding relationship conflicts
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/22/08 8:57pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	You do have a point, C. So how can Luke make Jacen useful in a prison? Can he be in a prison near the Jedi Temple so Luke can send young Jedi Trainees to visit him there and learn from the "redeemed Jacen" why it's a really BAD idea to become a Sith Lord?
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DarthGeist Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 4/22/08 9:00pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I don't like the thought of Jacen being locked up in the temple basement with Raynar. How many more people can the Jedi Order through in the closet (The Old Order lost track of poor Depa Bilaba or however you spell her name) ? I'm all for Jacen facing justice though ... at the end of a lightsaber -----signature----- "Women are like wookies: Let the wookie win." - My personal philosphy on conflict resolution in relationships "Not a good idea to tell a woman she's like a wookie. Doesn't translate" - My personal philosphy on avoiding relationship conflicts
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22/08 9:01pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 9:02pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	ChildOfWinds posted: You do have a point, C. So how can Luke make Jacen useful in a prison? Can he be in a prison near the Jedi Temple so Luke can send young Jedi Trainees to visit him there and learn from the "redeemed Jacen" why it's a really BAD idea to become a Sith Lord? If Jacen Solo is genuinely repentant, I could see him becoming an interesting figure even in prison. You could also occasionally let him out to go save planets or something by the government because they're questionable like that. and shouldn't you be reading?
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DarthGeist Registered: Jan '08	Date Posted: 4/22/08 9:05pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/22/08 9:27pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthGeist
	Put back in my noob chair Ok. So ... I went to Wookie and looked up Visions of the FUTURE, of the Hand of Thrawn Duology, and it mentioned little to nothing of Luke. I really HATE to be a noob, but can someone explain Luke's characterization in VOTF? -----signature----- "Women are like wookies: Let the wookie win." - My personal philosphy on conflict resolution in relationships "Not a good idea to tell a woman she's like a wookie. Doesn't translate" - My personal philosphy on avoiding relationship conflicts
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Knight_Wanderer Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 4/22/08 10:25pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Master_Keralys posted: Suggestion: maybe the last thing Luke needs to do is be Jedi Grandmaster. It's not really who he is. He's not a teacher at heart. He's not even a leader of an organization at heart. He's a pilot, a swordsman, a squad leader... he's a "hero," and heroes tend to do badly when stuck in leadership. The best thing that could happen to him is to resign his role and go wander the galaxy being the prototypical Jedi, leading by example (what he's actually good at, instead of bureaucracy). Lightsaber in hand, mad conflict resolution skills available, trusty droid at his side... that'd be so much more freeing for him. It's very nearly the next natural step for him. - Keralys -----signature----- A Knight. . . a Princess. . . a Wanderer. . . a Pirate. . . STAR WARS -Returns- Episode I: A Call to Arms http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/23973014/
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22/08 10:44pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Vincent: You really thinking about quitting? Jules: Absolutely. Vincent: What will you do? Jules: I'll just walk the Earth. Vincent: What'cha mean walk the earth? Jules: You know, walk the earth, meet people... get into adventures. Like Caine from "Kung Fu." But actually, I think Luke can be Grandmaster as a symbol without being Grandmaster the Bureaucrat.
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Emperor_Time Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 4/22/08 10:57pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: Vincent: You really thinking about quitting? Jules: Absolutely. Vincent: What will you do? Jules: I'll just walk the Earth. Vincent: What'cha mean walk the earth? Jules: You know, walk the earth, meet people... get into adventures. Like Caine from "Kung Fu." But actually, I think Luke can be Grandmaster as a symbol without being Grandmaster the Bureaucrat. That a great movie and agree that Luke should become a symbol too. -----signature----- Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 4/23/08 12:06am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	NewStaryKnight "^^Luke and Spiderman would probably get along great huh. " I didn't even think of that comparison until you mentioned it. Jedi Ben "Heh, Luke isn't saddled with an aging grandparent..." No he only has a hundred odd jedi to look after plus a slightly reckless nephew. Charlemagne19 "In TUF, Luke pretty much seems to use Vapaad as James Luceno says is a perfect explanation of the kind of deadly lightsaber mastery he displays and emotional intensity. Does it diminish Mace Windu to have Luke Skywalker able to do it instinctively?" Not necessarily. Instead, it just might prove more to the point of Luke's prowess, not Mace's lack thereof. "Batman is reinvented constantly by writers to keep pace with the changing times and to also reflect differnet interpretations of the character." I'm not familiar with Batman that much so indulge my curiosity here; did this reinvention work with him and if not, can we then expect the same possibility with Luke? J_K_DART "Incidentally, a question for everyone; what's Luke's 'Shatterpoint'?" Like so many here have said already, his compassion for his family. I think it would be very interesting to see a Luke-Caedus fight where Caedus would taunt Luke about turning Ben to the dark side (much like Vader did to Luke with Leia in ep 6) and then see Luke's reaction this time around. We saw almost something like that in Inferno but not quite. Dawud786 "Kyp's gotten a bad rap under Del Rey. I guess it served some narrative purpose, and it had been so long since I read JAT that I'd sorta forgotten it didn't go down how the NJO made it seem. " Kyp has been alright since Dark Journey in my book. In the NJO he kinda got gradually better and by TUF he was great. I just wished he got some more page time. He's arguably the most powerful Jedi after Luke and Jacen, yet he only appears once in a while in LOTF. DR sort of "made up for it" in Fury, so I suppose I should be happy with that at least. AND he hasn't been as underused as Corran. -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/23/08 1:53am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	DurronFan posted: I'm not familiar with Batman that much so indulge my curiosity here; did this reinvention work with him and if not, can we then expect the same possibility with Luke? It actually is widely attributed to be the key to Batman's success. Strangely, Batman goes through periods of ups and downs but largely all of Batman's reinventions have been successful. Here's a basic chart. * Batman began as a dark, brooding, and troubled Detective in the style of the then popular Shadow. (The two characters are largely identical in most ways and really, most people have grown up with the Shadow in the form of Batman---the "Clouds Mens minds" stuff came later) * Batman's sales sagged, so they gave him the Boy Wonder Robin. Say what you will about aristic credibility being challenged. Batman soon became a Father-Figure Adventurer in much the same style as later Johnny Quest. * Batman briefly became a propaganda figure for WW2 but I think that wasn't really reflective of artistic choices. * Batman then returned back to his darkest roots ever by becoming an assassin of criminals rather than just a capturer. * The Comic Books Code then made Batman into a fundamentally colorful and silly character who existed in a outlandish (BUT FUN) universe that would eventually inspired/be inspired by Adam West's work. The Silver Age Batman would show up on Scooby Doo. * Frank Miller then created a "gritty" Batman that remained til the 1990s and helped create Michael Keaton's one. * The new version of Batman is an attempted amalgamation of the adventurer/father figure/grim Batman. Largely influenecd by the Animated Series spawned in the 1990s. Bluntly, most of them are recognizable as Batman but all of them have contributed widely to giving a "fresh" quality to each age of Batman by showing the character for new audiences. It's one of the major flaws of Superman Returns in that it doesn't reintroduce Superman for new audiences. It's a film for people who remember the 1979 Superman film whereas Batman Begins shows Batman for a whole new generation. Star Wars is so intimately linked to the movies, of course, it's impossible to "reintroduce" luke to the same degree, especially not with George Lucas' marketting control but I don't see any reason why we couldn't really. Especially with an Animated series. However, we'd need a NEW take on the character I think.
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Lord_Riven Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 4/23/08 3:54am Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	DarthGeist posted: Put back in my noob chair Ok. So ... I went to Wookie and looked up Visions of the FUTURE, of the Hand of Thrawn Duology, and it mentioned little to nothing of Luke. I really HATE to be a noob, but can someone explain Luke's characterization in VOTF? Have you read these links for what happened in VOTF re Mara and Luke: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mara_Jade_Skywalker#Caamas_document_crisis http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker#Caamas_Document_Crisis Luke's characterization in VOTF - he and Mara worked together well and you could see that they did fit together well. Zahn wrote them as a team. And really, Survivor's Quest can sort of be said to be the 'third' part of HoT. Furthermore, Luke wasn't at all entirely racked by guilt or by indecisiveness as he has been plauged by in LOTF and NJO. -----signature----- Legacy AU fic: Family Ties. Follow the link in the next line. http://www.fanfiction.net/~darthriven Casiah - Cade Skywalker x Marasiah Fel 'shipper (#1) Canderous >>> Boba Fett
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 4/23/08 3:34pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3) - Date Edited: 4/23/08 3:36pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DurronFan
	Charlemagne19 "Bluntly, most of them are recognizable as Batman but all of them have contributed widely to giving a "fresh" quality to each age of Batman by showing the character for new audiences. It's one of the major flaws of Superman Returns in that it doesn't reintroduce Superman for new audiences. It's a film for people who remember the 1979 Superman film whereas Batman Begins shows Batman for a whole new generation. " Alright then. Thx for that recap of Batman's evolution. I suppose your point on Superman Returns and Batman Begins hits home, with me at least, since I found the latter to be vastly the superior of the two films. "Star Wars is so intimately linked to the movies, of course, it's impossible to "reintroduce" luke to the same degree, especially not with George Lucas' marketting control but I don't see any reason why we couldn't really." I guess the question then is if Luke was to be reinvented to better suit the modern day audience, what would this reinvented Luke be then? I suppose the real question is what type of Luke would best appeal to readers of this day and age. It goes without saying that whatever that might be, it still wouldn't satisfy everybody and with that in mind, Del Rey just might not want to take such a risk. Plus, like you said, sir george might not be all that open to any such ideas. Although I would be rather intrigued seeing Luke as a real badass, something of the likes of Blade for instance. -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 4/23/08 4:08pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Charlemagne19 posted: Vincent: You really thinking about quitting? Jules: Absolutely. Vincent: What will you do? Jules: I'll just walk the Earth. Vincent: What'cha mean walk the earth? Jules: You know, walk the earth, meet people... get into adventures. Like Caine from "Kung Fu." But actually, I think Luke can be Grandmaster as a symbol without being Grandmaster the Bureaucrat. Besides that, Yoda wasn't exactly Grand Master the Bureaucrat either. Windu was in charge of the High Council, Yoda was first among equals and in charge of youngling classes. They really should have played up Luke's role as teacher, mentor and giver of sagely advice instead of opting not to advance his Jedi Master character arc as he nears middle age and older. You can't be an adventurer forever, and sometimes you gotta pass on what you've learned to the next generation. Luke should be wiser than his years at this point. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/23/08 4:23pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	Dawud786 posted: They really should have played up Luke's role as teacher, mentor and giver of sagely advice instead of opting not to advance his Jedi Master character arc as he nears middle age and older. You can't be an adventurer forever, and sometimes you gotta pass on what you've learned to the next generation. Luke should be wiser than his years at this point. I'm pretty sure I disagree. Luke will be 120 years old, walking around with his lightsaber through warzones, when he plops over.
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Dawud786 Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 4/23/08 4:33pm Subject: RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
	I think it's a damn shame that you don't want to see Luke follow a natural progression instead of a completely unrealistic expectation for him to keep hobbling around trying to swing his lightsaber at every problem that arises. I think that's one of the major problems with the depiction of the NJO... they never seem to be doing Jedi diplomacy, but just go "uh oh, someone is acting up... hit it with a lightsaber!" I like Luke as a hero, but c'mon... there's got to come a point when the NJO finally matures from brash young padawan fighter jocks, to what Jedi actually are. That includes Luke Skywalker. -----signature----- http://blogs.starwars.com/slaveoftheforce
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