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DarkMastermind
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5/1 12:02pm
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RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
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Yeah. I wonder what type of jedi knight Leia would've made had she trained more in the force.
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sabarte
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5/1 1:18pm
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I think people are bringing their personal feelings into play on the attachment rule. As seen in the EU, Luke's order is way more dysfunctional than even the PT Jedi. Shouldn't that imply the PT were right?
The rule was invented for a reason.
I happen to think monastic Jedi are the right way to go. I don't think Luke should have married, and I don't think Leia should have become a Jedi. For one, out of universe Luke having a child is obviously what led to the (remaining) Solo kids being destroyed or marginalized.
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Charlemagne19
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5/1 1:23pm
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sabarte posted:
I think people are bringing their personal feelings into play on the attachment rule. As seen in the EU, Luke's order is way more dysfunctional than even the PT Jedi. Shouldn't that imply the PT were right?
The rule was invented for a reason.
I happen to think monastic Jedi are the right way to go. I don't think Luke should have married, and I don't think Leia should have become a Jedi. For one, out of universe Luke having a child is obviously what led to the (remaining) Solo kids being destroyed or marginalized.
I disagree, Leia is "The Other."
As for Luke's Orders Dysfunctionality, it seems more the product of an insane galaxy than him.
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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5/1 1:47pm
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sabarte posted:
I think people are bringing their personal feelings into play on the attachment rule. As seen in the EU, Luke's order is way more dysfunctional than even the PT Jedi. Shouldn't that imply the PT were right?
The rule was invented for a reason.
I happen to think monastic Jedi are the right way to go. I don't think Luke should have married, and I don't think Leia should have become a Jedi. For one, out of universe Luke having a child is obviously what led to the (remaining) Solo kids being destroyed or marginalized.
I always felt the rule was developed to give the PT Jedi a reason to fail. And Luke's Order was fine pre-NJO. It was after artificial conflicts and half the cast lost 20-30 years of maturity and the other half lost 50-60 IQ points that the bad stuff started up.
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DarkMastermind
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5/1 2:02pm
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I agree with Stryker. Luke's NJO was doing fine until the Vong showed up. After that everything in the galaxy pretty much went straight to hell.
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sabarte
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
I always felt the rule was developed to give the PT Jedi a reason to fail. And Luke's Order was fine pre-NJO. It was after artificial conflicts and half the cast lost 20-30 years of maturity and the other half lost 50-60 IQ points that the bad stuff started up.
You're arguing the PT was fatally flawed and the NJO merely badly written.
But it could easily be interpreted the other way - the NJO being fatally flawed, and the PT Jedi badly written. 
As for Leia - what we got of her character arc was horrible. She ended up being a little of everything and completely failing everything she set at - the New Republic, her Jedi training, her children. I'd prefer to see her focus on the NR and her kids, perhaps becoming a Jedi when she grew older and her children were fully grown up.
I'm not saying families are bad. I'm saying a Jedi who has one should make the decision to stop with the solo adventuring, step away from the Jedi life and settle down, especially when there's children involved. They're good. They're just not good for Jedi. Having adventuring parents means the Star Wars younger generation spent way too much time with droids and Winter and such.
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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sabarte posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
I always felt the rule was developed to give the PT Jedi a reason to fail. And Luke's Order was fine pre-NJO. It was after artificial conflicts and half the cast lost 20-30 years of maturity and the other half lost 50-60 IQ points that the bad stuff started up.
You're arguing the PT was fatally flawed and the NJO merely badly written.
But it could easily be interpreted the other way - the NJO being fatally flawed, and the PT Jedi badly written.
Yoda himself admits that he didn't have it, that the OJO didn't have it and never had it. Right there in text, the Grand Master says it. The whole point of the prequels was to show the fall, and why and how. Anfd how its flaws led it to Order 66.
And as for the NJO being badly written... well, it was badly written. But this is not the thread for that, methinks.
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5/1 2:21pm
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
I always felt the rule was developed to give the PT Jedi a reason to fail. And Luke's Order was fine pre-NJO. It was after artificial conflicts and half the cast lost 20-30 years of maturity and the other half lost 50-60 IQ points that the bad stuff started up.
I disagree, here. You up for explaining a little more at all? I know your views, but not necessarily the detail, RK. I'm interested in your views of Luke's Order.
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DarkMastermind
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5/1 2:25pm
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I think the jedi should be allowed to have familial attachments. True, it would be difficult to raise a family when you're a jedi and constantly off saving the galaxy from whatever, but that doesn't mean they can't have families. I kinda wanna know what the OJO's reaction would be to Lukes Jedi Order.
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sabarte
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Well, for one, the OJO in the same form lasted a thousand years. Luke's Order can't really say that much. They were doing something right.
If Luke's Order had been in the PT Order's position, I suspect Palpatine would have kicked their butt just as hard, if not harder.
(It got seriously scattered by Krayt, after all. And Krayt is -no- Palpatine)
I have sympathy for the position that Luke's Order should be spiffier and better, but that's not what we see in the EU.
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Charlemagne19
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5/1 3:14pm
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sabarte posted:
Well, for one, the OJO in the same form lasted a thousand years. Luke's Order can't really say that much. They were doing something right.
Luke's order has lasted a hundred and 40 years, so its not doing too badly.
sabarte posted:
If Luke's Order had been in the PT Order's position, I suspect Palpatine would have kicked their butt just as hard, if not harder.
Well, Luke's order WAS in the PT's position. Luke managed to defeat Palpatine in DE.
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(It got seriously scattered by Krayt, after all. And Krayt is -no- Palpatine)
I'd argue he's better actually. Krayt did in 20 years what took the Banite Sith a 1000.
Sabarte posted:
I have sympathy for the position that Luke's Order should be spiffier and better, but that's not what we see in the EU.
Yeah, it seems they're creating artificial conflicts.
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sabarte
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DE wasn't the same as ROTS at all.
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Charlemagne19
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5/1 3:27pm
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sabarte posted:
DE wasn't the same as ROTS at all.
Palpatine vs. The Jedi Order in hiding.
SO, yeah, it kinda was.
If you mean a Dictator taking over the galaxy, we have that too. Luke's Order left the Galactic Alliance.
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DarkMastermind
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5/1 3:42pm
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In my opinion the current plotline in LOTF is just the same has what Anakin Skywalker went through when he fell to the Dark Side and became Darth Vader. So in a sense, its like Palpatine vs. the Jedi in hiding all over again.
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NewStaryknight
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sabarte posted:
As for Leia - what we got of her character arc was horrible. She ended up being a little of everything and completely failing everything she set at - the New Republic, her Jedi training, her children. I'd prefer to see her focus on the NR and her kids, perhaps becoming a Jedi when she grew older and her children were fully grown up.
Isn't that what she did? 
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