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Lord_Hydronium
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Well, good to know that if Luke's descendants don't choose to follow in his footsteps, they're failures. He owns his own business and has a good family? Who cares, he's not a Jedi! What a terrible person.
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ChildOfWinds
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Lord_Hydronium
Well, good to know that if Luke's descendants don't choose to follow in his footsteps, they're failures. He owns his own business and has a good family? Who cares, he's not a Jedi! What a terrible person.
As I said, I haven't read this issue, nor have I read the spoilers about it. I was told by someone who read it that Nat was rather nasty, and I will admit that it probably shouldn't bother me that he owns a junkyard business. I guess I just feel that if someone has a truly special talent, it seems a waste not to make use of it. If he didn't want to be a Jedi, couldn't he have used his skills as a healer, a teacher, a couselor, a diplomat?
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Lord_Hydronium
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RE: SOS: Save Our Skywalker, Luke Skywalker (v3)
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He's not nasty. He tells Cade he was an idiot for infiltrating the Sith (you should like that  ) and smacks some sense to him. He also clues Cade in on his past, protects him from Azlyn, helps him avoid detection of the Imperials, gives him advice on what to do next, and guides him to the hidden Jedi.
As for the latter part, I don't see why. I mean, he has a talent, sure, but should that define his life? It's not like he denies the Force; he uses it to protect Cade. He just chose to leave the Jedi to follow a different path.
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Nobody145
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Yeah, Bantha's a pretty big step-up from Cade. Cade's still... backsliding (if he ever improved himself at all), but Bantha seems to have a pretty good business doing, and apparently he officially left the Jedi Order, he's not just a scattered survivor like most of the Jedi are these days. He also seems much more moral than Cade is. Cade's story is still fascinating, but Bantha isn't that bad, he's just not a Jedi.
And its quite correct to say Luke's descandants aren't that good, especially as Kol turned out pretty well. He seems the ideal Jedi and Skywalker, heroic, idealistic, and reasonably intelligent (though maybe not that empathic). He at least went out in a blaze of glory.
Nat was a Jedi for most of his life it seems, and was still one up to the Sith-Imperial War, but apparently he had his... reasons for leaving the Order, and that's it, he doesn't want to talk about those specific reasons. As long as he doesn't start sliding towards the darkside and become a threat, I don't see any reaosn to force him to be a Jedi. Free choice is part of it. One of the improvements of Luke's NJO is that the members have greater freedom, and can make thier own choices. In the old order, it was more about following the Council, though Luke's unfortunately had to impose a bit of a hierarchy otherwise the Jedi would never get anything done.
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Jedi Ben
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5/22 11:45am
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Yes, that's true. What irritated me though was that even in the prophecy of Bodo Baas, Luke was referred to as "foolish brother" who might actually ruin things with his stupid plan to defeat the dark side from within. Bodo Baas didn't seem to have much confidence in Luke, so the prophecy seems to be mostly about Leia.
* To be fair to Bodo Baas, no one had ever escaped from the dark side!
As you pointed out though, Leia did show herself to be at least as vulnerable to the Emperor as Luke in DE. So why didn't the prophecy refer to Leia as "foolish sister"?
* Because it was not her destiny!
I believe you mean that Luke was held in thrall by the Emperor, right? But I don't think Luke was dark at all.
* Put it this way: We have two rooms, one lit and one dark, if I get a burly 6'10" bloke to literally pick you up and throw you into the dark room, what are you? You are surely in the dark but not of it. That's effectively what Sidious did to Luke when he said the dark side would break him and why use the term break? Because Luke wouldn't give in willingly. With Anakin Sidious never had to shove him into the dark side, Anakin walked in freely, Luke had to be shoved in with a sledgehammer and still didn't give in.
I agree though that not many Jedi have been able to repulse the dark side just by being talked to, so Luke set the standard here.
* Frankly whenever anyone goes off an a 'you don't squat about evil Master Skywalker'....Luke should just reply: Remember the Emperor Reborn? Now your point is?
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Emperor_Time
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5/22 11:47am
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Emperor_Time posted:
But I thought that Gunner Yage's father was Rulf Yage? 
Rulf Yage raised Gunner but we don't know whether or not she was born at the same time as Cade or immediately after (my grandmother would call them Irish Twins but despite being Irish, never seemed to realize it was a derogatory term to her people). This is born up by the fact that Gunner seems about Cade's age.
Frankly, even if Kol is the man who sired her, I consider Rulf her father.
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ChildOfWinds
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He's not nasty. He tells Cade he was an idiot for infiltrating the Sith and smacks some sense to him. He also clues Cade in on his past, protects him from Azlyn, helps him avoid detection of the Imperials
Then I guess I owe him an apology. He does sound better than Cade. But can't Luke have even ONE surviving descendant who doesn't mind being in the "family business"??? Can't we have ONE heroic Skywalker?
But Cade is truly an idiot, isn't he? He has Luke, KK, Wolf, Kol, and Nat trying to "smack" sense into him and yet he's still acting like a fool. Seems pretty hopeless to me.
I actually don't mind so much that this Nat person decided to "follow a different path". It's the REASON that he chose to do so that seems like a copout. That he's not "good enough". Sheesh! Not every Jedi has to have Anakin and Luke Skywalker Force strength! Tekli hardly had any if I remember correctly, but she used her gifts to the fullest anyway. And it makes THIS descendant of Luke seem far too much like Cade.
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And its quite correct to say Luke's descandants aren't that good, especially as Kol turned out pretty well.
Do you mean "incorrect"? Since Kol died early on though, he doesn't really count as a surviving descendant of Luke.
I do agree that one of the improvements that Luke made to the NJO was that members have more freedoms and can make their own choices about whether they want to stay or leave, and whether they want to marry and have children.
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* To be fair to Bodo Baas, no one had ever escaped from the dark side!
Well, you know me: I'd rather have NO prophecy than a BAD prophecy about Luke. 
But according to the prophecy, JB, it WAS Leia's destiny as well as Luke's. Didn't the prophecy say something about them being "born to walk the sky"? The prophecy seemed to apply to both Luke and Leia...to Leia in a positive way, and to Luke in a negative way.
* Put it this way: We have two rooms, one lit and one dark, if I get a burly 6'10" bloke to literally pick you up and throw you into the dark room, what are you? You are surely in the dark but not of it. That's effectively what Sidious did to Luke when he said the dark side would break him and why use the term break? Because Luke wouldn't give in willingly. With Anakin Sidious never had to shove him into the dark side, Anakin walked in freely, Luke had to be shoved in with a sledgehammer and still didn't give in.
Okay. I LIKE this. I really LIKE this, both the analogy about the rooms and the idea that Luke STILL didn't give in even after the Emperor tried to shove him into the dark side with a sledgehammer. I REALLY like it! Too bad more people don't see DE that way.
* Frankly whenever anyone goes off an a 'you don't know squat about evil Master Skywalker'....Luke should just reply: Remember the Emperor Reborn? Now your point is?
That would be great! Unfortunately, instead, we get things like the blurb to Invincible which makes Luke out to be a wimp too afraid of the dark side to face a darksider.
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Nobody145
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ChildOfWinds posted:
Nobody145
And its quite correct to say Luke's descandants aren't that good, especially as Kol turned out pretty well.
Do you mean "incorrect"? Since Kol died early on though, he doesn't really count as a surviving descendant of Luke.
Whoops, yeah, what I meant to say was "its not quite correct to say all of Luke's descendants ended up being bad people," something along those lines. I've got to reread my posts more carefully... Anyway, yeah, Kol's dead, but at least he gets to make cameos as a Force ghost now, alongside Luke Skywalker himself, so that's a pretty cool way to appear too. And we find out its not Kol's fault that he hasn't been able to talk to Cade at all since he died, its Cade's anger that was blocking Kol out. Although that makes Cade worse, but that's just part of Cade's character anyway.
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I can't wait for the final showdown - a panel showing all Anakin, Luke, Ben and all the Force ghosts of the direct Skywalker line down to Kol and Cade (in a line) bringing together their awesome powers.
Nat sounds okay. At least he ain't stupid for the sake of being stupid. He made his choice carefully, it seems, out of thinking not out of an impulse. I mean I'm still waiting for DH to put out their TPBs, hurry up guys!
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Oh, my Invincible review is available here with Luke info.
http://boards.theforce.net/eu_community/b10194/28003820/p34/?826
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Charlemagne19 posted:
The latest issue of Legacy contains some interesting additions to the Star Wars canon and certainly Luke Skywalker's legacy. Unfortunately, it's not something that Child of Winds will like because it continues exploring how overwhelming and destructive it is to be measured against the greatest hero the galaxy ever produced.
* Bantha Rawk who is "close to a father for Cade" is actually literally so. He's Cade's paternal Uncle.
* Bantha Rawk is actually Nat Skywalker.
* Nat Skywalker left the Jedi Order to become a Junk Dealer.
(another poignant reminder why Mon Mothma's philosophy about Jedi is pretty wrong)
* Nat is a pretty unpleasant human being and clearly Cade's role-model. He loves his adopted family but he hates being a Skywalker. He hasn't even told his kids that they're Skywalkers.
* Nat basically states that he left the Jedi order because he couldn't live up to what was expected of him.
* Nat expresses Kol was what they expected a Skywalker to be. A natural leader and perfect.
* Nat punches out Cade for bringing down the Empire on their heads.
* Cade is carrying on a sexual relationship with Deliah.
* We meet another of Cades old girlfriends, now an Imperial Knight.
* Cade states Roan Fel would "lick off the mud from Krayt's armor if he could be Emperor again."
Which I'm inclined to believe is a fair estimate of his character.
* Cade states Stazi will kill whoever he needs to in order to win.
Which, to me, indicates that the fact Stazi killed millions of Mon Cal Dock workers was NOT a mistake.
* Kol and Luke Skywalker once more try to talk to Cade.
* Cade goes back to Death Sticks to escape them and gets utterly wasted.
* Nat Skywalker says that there's a hidden temple.
* Cade's old girlfriend clues the Imperial Knights to the location.
* The Imperial Knights prepare to assault the Temple.
Yes....the Jedi and IK are not friends.
Eeeesh, Luke's family is screwed up.
I retract my earlier defense of it. Nat and Cade are serious disappointments.
Nat and Cade sound totally cool to me. Cade is clearly the 'Wolverine' type of character. And the fact that the Fels and the Skywalkers hate each other and that the IK are enemies of the Jedi show that there will indeed be a rift between Jaina and Ben. I also believe that Jag and Ben will become enemies.
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Nat and Cade sound totally cool to me. Cade is clearly the 'Wolverine' type of character. And the fact that the Fels and the Skywalkers hate each other and that the IK are enemies of the Jedi show that there will indeed be a rift between Jaina and Ben. I also believe that Jag and Ben will become enemies.
I could discuss this in the SOS thread due to spoiler rules. My opinion is different.
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Nat and Cade sound totally cool to me. Cade is clearly the 'Wolverine' type of character. And the fact that the Fels and the Skywalkers hate each other and that the IK are enemies of the Jedi show that there will indeed be a rift between Jaina and Ben. I also believe that Jag and Ben will become enemies.
I could discuss this in the SOS thread due to spoiler rules. My opinion is different.
Let's take it to the spoiler forum. Just put down your opinion in the...Invincible forum maybe?
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Lord_Hydronium
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For what it's worth, that summary is off by quite a bit. As I mentioned, Nat punches Cade because he thinks the guy's being an idiot. He doesn't hate being a Skywalker, and he doesn't say why he left the Jedi. I guess whether he's unpleasant is a matter of opinion, but I certainly don't think he is; he's gruff, and he's not happy about some of the decisions Cade's made, but I think most readers would be sympathetic with that viewpoint. And the Imperial Knights don't say anything that even hints at attacking the Temple.
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COW,
But according to the prophecy, JB, it WAS Leia's destiny as well as Luke's. Didn't the prophecy say something about them being "born to walk the sky"? The prophecy seemed to apply to both Luke and Leia...to Leia in a positive way, and to Luke in a negative way.
* Both were meant to be Jedi but only Luke was destined to take on the dark side and win, Leia couldn't.
Okay. I LIKE this. I really LIKE this, both the analogy about the rooms and the idea that Luke STILL didn't give in even after the Emperor tried to shove him into the dark side with a sledgehammer. I REALLY like it! Too bad more people don't see DE that way.
* Not sure why, it is kind of obvious....but maybe this is a Brit thing.
That would be great! Unfortunately, instead, we get things like the blurb to Invincible which makes Luke out to be a wimp too afraid of the dark side to face a darksider.
* Actually, there is a way to improve this. Recall in ROTJ Luke had literally only come to realise Leia was his sister, but he still flipped when Vader threatened her. Now, what's the likely effect of Jacen giading Luke over the fact he killed Luke's wife of 20 years and tortured his son? I'd say it is a danger Luke might well go nuclear on Jacen and deservedly so! Just another to look at it.
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