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RK_Striker_JK_5
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5/23 3:50pm
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Mon Mothma's words reminded me of the Incredibles.
"When everybody is special, no one will be."
Jedi can be Doctors, teachers, and lawyers....at the mere cost of being heroes.
Superman is a Reporter but his responsibility is to be Superman.
She would have Superman give up being Superman to be a reporter.
Thus, I consider her a fool when it comes to Jedi.
A Jedi is a vocation. You are a Jedi or something else. You can't be both.
Some of my teachers were heroes to me. I consider doctors to be heroes, too. And my brother-in-law is a lawyer and a decent, honorable man.
Being one of those does not rpeclude you being a hero. Cilghal is a healer-a doctor. Syndrome was a child in a man's body having a tantrum.
If everyone is special... then everyone is special.
Mon Mothma was right. You can be a Jedi and something else at the same time. Hell, in order for the Order not to be 66ed, you kinda have to be.
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Charlemagne19
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
Mon Mothma was right. You can be a Jedi and something else at the same time. Hell, in order for the Order not to be 66ed, you kinda have to be.
I consider a teacher who dies on the battlefield a waste of a good teacher.
I consider a soldier who becomes a teacher to be a man who has found a new calling in life.
I think only Indiana Jones can be both at once.
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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Charlemagne19 posted:
I consider a teacher who dies on the battlefield a waste of a good teacher.
I consider a soldier who becomes a teacher to be a man who has found a new calling in life.
I think only Indiana Jones can be both at once.
Anyone who dies on the battlefield is a waste.
Fortunately for the Jedi, there are alternatives to fighting, as Obi-Wan once said. And alternatives to warfare as a profession.
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Charlemagne19
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
I consider a teacher who dies on the battlefield a waste of a good teacher.
I consider a soldier who becomes a teacher to be a man who has found a new calling in life.
I think only Indiana Jones can be both at once.
Anyone who dies on the battlefield is a waste.
Fortunately for the Jedi, there are alternatives to fighting, as Obi-Wan once said. And alternatives to warfare as a profession.
Yes, a Jedi Knight is on call 24-7 to defend the weak and protect the innocent. He seeks out justice to right wrongs and to save the world.
That's why I don't believe a Jedi can be anything but a Jedi.
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Yes, a Jedi Knight is on call 24-7 to defend the weak and protect the innocent. He seeks out justice to right wrongs and to save the world.
That's why I don't believe a Jedi can be anything but a Jedi.
Dude, you do that and you've got burnout. No matter what you are. And teaching can save the world, or influence it in the right direction.
Doctors save lives. Businessmen/merchants help the economy. If that's where your life leads, then go there!
Sell those topatoes, tote that barge-then put said barge down, defeat a random Dark Sider and pick the barge up again!
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ChildOfWinds
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Just a quiet reminder that we need to get the thread back to Luke before the mods start deleting posts.  So to get the thread back to Luke Skywalker, I agree with Striker and Dart that Mon Mothma's suggestion to Luke that the Jedi Order should incorporate people from all walks of life makes very good sense to me. It seemed that Luke was starting to do that, accepting students of all ages and occupations until the PT influence starting over-taking (and in my opinion, ruining), everything, including Luke's new Order of Jedi and its traditions.
Lord Hydronium, thanks for sharing the information about Nat Skywalker, Luke's other descendant in Legacy. He sounds more interesting and promising than Cade. He apparently has an adopted family, so I guess that means he doesn't have any biological children of his own, right?
Hmmm...all of Luke's descendants have one syllable first names...
I can't wait until we can discuss Luke in Invincible here. I really want to hear the reactions of those of you who have read the book to Luke's role in it. I haven't read it yet, but my library carries all the SW books, so it's now in my possession.
Jedi Ben :
* Both were meant to be Jedi but only Luke was destined to take on the dark side and win, Leia couldn't.
Okay, that makes sense, but then why call Luke "foolish brother" in the prophecy if Luke was destined to WIN???
* Actually, there is a way to improve this. Recall in ROTJ Luke had literally only come to realise Leia was his sister, but he still flipped when Vader threatened her. Now, what's the likely effect of Jacen goading Luke over the fact he killed Luke's wife of 20 years and tortured his son? I'd say it is a danger Luke might well go nuclear on Jacen and deservedly so! Just another to look at it.
Okay, then why blame it on Luke's killing of Lumiya as the blurb does? In fact, why have Luke kill Lumiya just to keep him from facing Jacen and allowing Jaina to do it instead? Your reason above would be a good enough explanation without making Luke look bad as a Jedi Grandmaster who can't control himself and kills for revenge.
In fact, my question is: If Jacen is indeed such a threat, why not sent a GROUP of Jedi Masters to face Jacen instead of just one person?
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Dawud786
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ChildOfWinds posted:
Just a quiet reminder that we need to get the thread back to Luke before the mods start deleting posts. So to get the thread back to Luke Skywalker, I agree with Striker and Dart that Mon Mothma's suggestion to Luke that the Jedi Order should incorporate people from all walks of life makes very good sense to me. It seemed that Luke was starting to do that, accepting students of all ages and occupations until the PT influence starting over-taking (and in my opinion, ruining), everything, including Luke's new Order of Jedi and its traditions.
Lord Hydronium, thanks for sharing the information about Nat Skywalker, Luke's other descendant in Legacy. He sounds more interesting and promising than Cade. He apparently has an adopted family, so I guess that means he doesn't have any biological children of his own, right?
Hmmm...all of Luke's descendants have one syllable first names...
I can't wait until we can discuss Luke in Invincible here. I really want to hear the reactions of those of you who have read the book to Luke's role in it. I haven't read it yet, but my library carries all the SW books, so it's now in my possession.
Jedi Ben :
* Both were meant to be Jedi but only Luke was destined to take on the dark side and win, Leia couldn't.
Okay, that makes sense, but then why call Luke "foolish brother" in the prophecy if Luke was destined to WIN???
* Actually, there is a way to improve this. Recall in ROTJ Luke had literally only come to realise Leia was his sister, but he still flipped when Vader threatened her. Now, what's the likely effect of Jacen goading Luke over the fact he killed Luke's wife of 20 years and tortured his son? I'd say it is a danger Luke might well go nuclear on Jacen and deservedly so! Just another to look at it.
Okay, then why blame it on Luke's killing of Lumiya as the blurb does? In fact, why have Luke kill Lumiya just to keep him from facing Jacen and allowing Jaina to do it instead? Your reason above would be a good enough explanation without making Luke look bad as a Jedi Grandmaster who can't control himself and kills for revenge.
In fact, my question is: If Jacen is indeed such a threat, why not sent a GROUP of Jedi Masters to face Jacen instead of just one person?
You know, after to some thought... the Invincible blurb doesn't automatically make Luke look like a "wimp" or weak unless you're inclined to see it that way. If you put some thought into it, and Jedi Ben's points about Luke's reaction to Vader suggesting he'd turn his newly discovered long lost sister to the dark side and how the dude went into a blood rage over it... well, the blurb IMO makes Luke look like a man with a thorough knowledge of his own weaknesses. So he's chosen to keep himself out of a situation where he knows he's likely to fly off the handle with just such a situation. Darth Caedus is sure to goad him with the murder of Mara and the torture of Ben and his attempts to subvert Ben to the dark side of the Force, make him a Sith apprentice and effectively become a replacement father for Ben and totally steal him away from Luke. Darth Caedus quite literally has been out to destroy Luke Skywalker's household for the entirety of LOTF. There was a Sith Chicken that once said some pretty wise stuff about self-knowledge and how it would keep you from the dark side. That's what this is. It's exactly what I was saying a couple days ago about DE and Luke's wariness of the dark side. He knows his own strengths and weaknesses and thus he's not going to put himself in a situation where he might succumb to his weaknesses. It's like a real lusty married man keeping himself away from situations where he might be tempted and possibly succumb to infidelity(extreme example, but it's all I could think of just now).
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ChildOfWinds
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Dawud786
well, the blurb IMO makes Luke look like a man with a thorough knowledge of his own weaknesses. So he's chosen to keep himself out of a situation where he knows he's likely to fly off the handle with just such a situation.
And you know what? That actually would have been okay with me. I would have preferred having Luke confront Jacen, but I would have respected Luke's understanding of his own limits and his decision to delegate the job to someone else. BUT, what bugs me is that the authors decided to have Luke kill Lumiya with the wrong mindset, basically committing a darkside act, and using THAT as the plot device, the reason that Luke couldn't face Jacen/Caedus. If it would have been explained the way JB did, with Luke's recollection of what had nearly happened during his fight with Vader because of his concern for Leia, it would't have annoyed me as much. But to purposely degrade and regress the character who is supposed to be the Jedi Grand Master at this point in his Jedi career in order to put another character in the limelight, doesn't sit well with me.
And I still say that it would have been a lot smarter and less dangerous to send about six Jedi Masters with Jaina to go after Jacen if they really felt that he was uber-powerful. How could they be sure that one person would redeem or defeat Jacen?
There was a Sith Chicken that once said some pretty wise stuff about self-knowledge and how it would keep you from the dark side. It's exactly what I was saying a couple days ago about DE and Luke's wariness of the dark side. He knows his own strengths and weaknesses and thus he's not going to put himself in a situation where he might succumb to his weaknesses.
This makes sense actually, Dawud.
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Jedi Ben
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Okay, that makes sense, but then why call Luke "foolish brother" in the prophecy if Luke was destined to WIN???
* They didn't think he would, even with Leia because no one defeats the dark side.
Okay, then why blame it on Luke's killing of Lumiya as the blurb does?
* You're asking me to help you make sense of a DR marketing blurb? Sorry, that's beyond even my abilities.
In fact, why have Luke kill Lumiya just to keep him from facing Jacen and allowing Jaina to do it instead? Your reason above would be a good enough explanation without making Luke look bad as a Jedi Grandmaster who can't control himself and kills for revenge.
* DR likes screwe up characters, not realising SW has never really been about such.
In fact, my question is: If Jacen is indeed such a threat, why not sent a GROUP of Jedi Masters to face Jacen instead of just one person?
* Not dramatic enough, besides brother versus sister, remember angst has driven the plot since VP!
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Ben's suggestion that they didn't think Luke would win is a good one. The OJO have a history of underestimating Luke. I for one don't think Yoda believed Luke would win by *redeeming* Vader...
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In regard to Legacy 24 and a new character, a Q: Doesn't he do what people have been wanting someone to do? ie. Knock some sense into Cade? Let's see:
"So let me get this straight: You get mixed up with th' Imperial Princess, run into your former master, help the Princess escape some Sith, and end up on Bastion with Roan Fel. Oh, and half the galaxy now knows you're a Skywalker and a Jedi. And you decide to invade the kriffing Sith Temple to rescue a Jedi you'd sold for bounty, get caught and nearly get turned yourself. That purty much it?"
"Pretty much"
"Just how many different kinds of idiot can you possibly..."
"Oh, Cade's got a plan allright. Run and keep running. That right, biy?"
"You don't know, old man - and you got no right."
"The hell I don't! That's your dang-blamed problem - always running off half-cocked with no dang-blamed plan or, worse, running off with some half-thunk half-a-plan! Like sneaking alone into dang-blamed Sith Temples! Galaxy's a dangerous place! You need to smarten up, boy! You need to think before you do something stupid!"
"Listen Cade - it's a big galaxy out there and if you want to, you can get lost in it. If you're willing to make some sacrifices. Means you gotta change your name. Change your look. Change your ship. Change your friends and don't ever use the Force again."
Nat pretty much smashes Cade into exactly what he's done, what it's got and cost him and what it's effectively committed him to - bringing down Krayt.
JB
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
If everyone is special... then everyone is special.
If everyone is special, then "special" means nothing.
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ChildOfWinds
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Jedi Ben :
* They didn't think he would, even with Leia because no one defeats the dark side.
Do you mean that in all those years that the Jedi existed, no one but Luke defeated the dark side? Seems kind of unbelievable, JB.
* You're asking me to help you make sense of a DR marketing blurb? Sorry, that's beyond even my abilities.
LOL! Good point!
As for Legacy 24, I wanted LUKE to smack some sense into Cade.
J_K_DART :
Ben's suggestion that they didn't think Luke would win is a good one. The OJO have a history of underestimating Luke. I for one don't think Yoda believed Luke would win by *redeeming* Vader...
Well, you have a point there! I too don't believe that Yoda ever thought that Luke could win by redeeming Vader. But was Vodo Baas actually an OJO Jedi? I was under the impression that he was more ancient than that? Is that wrong.
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Charlemagne19
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Can't wait for your Invincible review review, Windy.
:-)
(over in the other thread)
But yes, in general, the Jedi Knights don't actually get that many defectors back to the Light. There's Luke, Ulic, and Revan.
...and that's it.
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Charlemagne19 :
But yes, in general, the Jedi Knights don't actually get that many defectors back to the Light. There's Luke, Ulic, and Revan.
Luke is NOT ane was NOT a "defector", C. 
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