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darthcaedus1138
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4/16 5:21pm
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yes i agree with you, do think it's beautiful because his fall represented his decisions in life: life is simply a long road, and you and only you are responsible for choosing where you go, and Jacen chose to be a Sith. which for the most part was good reasoning Jacen cared about his uncle, and didn't want to see him die, so he made a choice that would prevent that
Jacen Solo learned a lot of lessons, but most of the lessons you learn as a child are not necessarily the same situation as when you're an adult. When you're a kid you don't know much, and when you learn that lesson it becomes a part of your being, but, as you grow older and have more experiences, it puts what appears to be the same lesson in a different light.
Also Jacen is not really THAT crazy, granted he's a little crazy but still, everytime he does something he thinks about it, and weighs the options, than acts. his choices don't reflect him being crazy, they reflect him being the person he is, with Sith influence. Also, he's human, he's allowed to be a little crazy every now and then, and i think that with all of the, and i hate to say it, "peer pressure"(his peers being the Sith) have really changed him and influenced his actions
ALSO: five years of no family, friends and being in strange alien worlds Force knows where probably at least influence his actions throughout the DNT and LotF(lets hope for some kind of literature to cover these events, i am lookin' at you del rey
Also his craziness could probably be pegged down to his being portrayed by three different authors, but i digest
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darthcaedus1138
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wait, how is han metaphorically shooting a ship?
is that him giving it to jag, cuz he's not scrapping it
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darthcaedus1138 posted:
wait, how is han metaphorically shooting a ship?
is that him giving it to jag, cuz he's not scrapping it
I agree. 
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GrandMasterKatarn
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Emperor_Time posted:
Heimidal posted:
Emperor_Time posted:
Is it still possible that Darth Caedus will try to killed Allana? 
You know what would be REALLY funny?
If Allana killed Caedus. Sorry daddy, you're evil! Pops on lightsaber and kills him.
Now that would be quite a twist. 
A very funny twist.
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GrandMasterKatarn
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darthcaedus1138 posted:
wait, how is han metaphorically shooting a ship?
is that him giving it to jag, cuz he's not scrapping it
It could happen, but I think that it's Jaina, and that Han is shoving her into Jags arms before he uses the Falcon as a death ship and smashes it on Jacen.
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Havac
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TIEPilot051999 posted:
Because he's been "winning temporarily" for the past three books, and it's about high time for karma to come back around and do its thing. To not do so wouldn't be that great of an ending.
OK, I'll phrase it another way. Do you have any reason other than I HATE JACEN SO HARD!!! I HATE HIM HATE HIM HATE HIM HATE HIM WITH A RABID BURNING HATE!!!!!!! that Jacen not dying would be a bad thing?
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I've hated Jacen for years now, since the NJO actually (pre-Traitor, when he was busy with ethical debates more than anything else), and would love to have him die, but...
it might be interesting to have him survive. True, as Caedus has gone even more over the edge with each passing book, I wouldn't mind seeing some of his original intents mentioned again, of doing all this to avoid a future where he'd kill Luke. Although that kind of future seems pretty unlikely now, with Luke possibly staying out of things. Or perhaps the thing with the most potential, a Sith Lord dealing with redemption, particularly a Sith Lord who believed he was doing the right thing for most of his so-far short career. Vader was more obsessed with family, and Ulic spent years regretting his actions, but Jacen... not sure if he'd go for regret, obsession, or just denial. So far, he's mainly been in denial, and even if someone beat his head in, that probably wouldn't be enough to make him change his mind, so we'll have to see what will make Jacen see the error of his ways, as widespread condemnation of his actions by his entire family and most of his friends (Tahiri being the exception) hasn't slowed Jacen down, actually, Jacen's seperation from his family has encouraged his martyr complex, which has led to a kind of twisted cycle where the more horrible things he orders, the greater the martyr he becomes, in his own mind.
Killing Jacen would be a waste, but it would also be a relatively... simple and clean solution, in that once he's dead, that's it. And not sure if a series like LotF is up to the kind of complex aftermath that dealing with Jacen he's defeated would be like, especially if he's still unrepentant. Though NJO's conclusion was somewhat cut and dry, though that concluded relatively quickly due to the Vong's religious nature, Zonoma Sekot, and the fact the their last Warmaster was a pragmatic, relatively intelligent individual, unlike his far more fanatical predecessor.
I'm hoping we'll get to see more fleet officers in this book. Revelation touched a little on the bureaucratic aspects of Caedus' administration, or rather it showed how much of a dicatatorship he's running, but in Inferno, its obvious that Gavin at least isn't happy with the situation, and Caedus decided to put GAG surviellance on him. With Niathal's splitting off, there's an official option now other than following Caedus, I just hope Gavin is treated better than Tycho was.
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darthcaedus1138 posted:
yes i agree with you, do think it's beautiful because his fall represented his decisions in life: life is simply a long road, and you and only you are responsible for choosing where you go, and Jacen chose to be a Sith. which for the most part was good reasoning Jacen cared about his uncle, and didn't want to see him die, so he made a choice that would prevent that
Jacen Solo learned a lot of lessons, but most of the lessons you learn as a child are not necessarily the same situation as when you're an adult. When you're a kid you don't know much, and when you learn that lesson it becomes a part of your being, but, as you grow older and have more experiences, it puts what appears to be the same lesson in a different light.
Also Jacen is not really THAT crazy, granted he's a little crazy but still, everytime he does something he thinks about it, and weighs the options, than acts. his choices don't reflect him being crazy, they reflect him being the person he is, with Sith influence. Also, he's human, he's allowed to be a little crazy every now and then, and i think that with all of the, and i hate to say it, "peer pressure"(his peers being the Sith) have really changed him and influenced his actions
ALSO: five years of no family, friends and being in strange alien worlds Force knows where probably at least influence his actions throughout the DNT and LotF(lets hope for some kind of literature to cover these events, i am lookin' at you del rey
Also his craziness could probably be pegged down to his being portrayed by three different authors, but i digest
You are absolutely right. Also I hear The Joker is the most sane person in the DC universe.
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Yes Havac, use your hate, only then will you be able to strike me down
but seriously you have to at least kinda give up your hate for a character. he's just a work of fiction written by a couple of people.
deep breath in, deep breath out
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actually, usually the villains are probably the most sane person in any fiction
ANYWAYS
Who thinks Jacen's gonna die?
Who thinks he's gonna win?
Who thinks he's gonna 'pull a vader'?
Who thinks he's gonna be stripped of the force and live life as an exile?
Tell me which one you think is gonna happen, and which one you want to happen.
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I can guarantee you 100%, Havac, that your hatred for JINO is but a pale shadow of my loathing for him.
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Eh... RK... that's not what Havac said. He asked if someone had a reason besides "I HATE JACEN SOLO!" for thinking Jacen should die.
I actually kind of feel bad for you being unable to enjoy the character having changed and grown. You're missing out on a lot of fun. 
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I'm firmly in the "Strip Jace and Let Him Live" camp.
Maybe we should start a FC over on the EUC about that, hmmmm? 
Seriously, leaving him alive opens up two incredible possiblities:
1.) He's alive, in Jedi custody, and has to struggle his way back to the light. Like Ulic Qel-Droma. But different. Some very interesting possiblities .
2.) Stip him but he escapes. Continues to cause mayhem. Jacen crashing through the bush would certainly allow the One Sith to operate without any or much notice. Could have even been the plan all along.
 The Rise, Fall and Continued Existance of Jacen Solo nothing more than a One Sith master plan to keep themselves off the Jedi radar...
Awesome. 
In fact, leaving everyone alive but battered, bruised, broken or in some other way maimed, would be totally awesome. Maybe even wicked awesome. Yet another way the One Sith are able to propogate themselves through the decades without anybody noticing...everyone's too busy cleaning up the emotional landfil...
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I want Jacen to stay evil and be at fulled power and stays alive by flow-walking to the far future and never coming back either. 
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Jacen's an idiot. Why do people love morons so freakin much? If he were compelling in any way it'd be interesting. But he's just a big butthead. He makes up stuff to whine about, then he whines about it. Same iwth allt he Paris Hilton types. He's "helping" but not one single person asked for his help, and his girlfriend Lumiya started all the ruckuss int he first place and he knows it!! Ridiculous. ANd he's a lousy father, lover, son, brother, and friend. LOSER!!!!
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