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Jedi_Master_Bumfluff
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5/11 6:23am
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It's funny, but I started reading Labyrinth Of Evil and Revenge of The Sith again over the weekend and realised something in comparison to the LOTF series.
You know how things turn out in the prequel era, but that still doesn't stop it from producing moments of hope, of humour, of amusement, and of intrigue. There was so much depth to alot of these novels and good characterisations to boot!
I then turned my thoughts back to LOTF and the whole series strikes me as rather...empty.
No hope from the start, not much intrigue (due to readers being annoyed at the good guys being 'dumbed down' for plot advancement) and no humour.
I haven't read the last novel yet, and I will save final judgment for when I do get around to doing it, but if what I have read on this board is anything to go by I really hope Del Ray do not get a renewed contract.
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AnnLouise
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kiera2 posted:
Manisphere posted:
This is the saddest book the EU has ever printed. Not because of Denning's style. This is the state of Luke's Jedi and the SW Galaxy after 40 years of buildup. Luke, Leia's and Han's legacy, outside of Ben, stinks on hot ice. It's just that at the end of all of this we're left with nothing but darkness. Unelaborated darkness.
Yeah, that's really what it comes down to. Thanks for putting it into words. I think I've read the first couple of issues of Legacy, but haven't properly gotten into it yet, so I don't know how things are going to look in the future really - but for now, it's pretty upsetting to see that this is where everything ends up. Not that I expected the happy ending of Return of the Jedi to last forever - obviously - but one might hope that the main characters who fought so hard for peace might at least get a little respite!
I agree that this book, while ok on its own, continues a very depressing trend in SW books carried over from the PT. Unremittent darkness.
Maybe it's because I just got back from church, but the "legacy" that's elaborated in this series is Anakin's "original sin" from the PT, coming down in suceeding generations.
It doesn't have to be a strictling religious meaning either. Slavery in the US has been described as our "original sin" - an imbedded flaw that needed the destruction of the Civil War to be dealt with. And even then, it's consequences affect us to this day.
The way LOTF dealt with this legacy however, feels very Old Testiment to me. Sister killing Brother, harsh, judgemental, cities laid waste, etc. And like the OT, not alot of the "forgiveness and mercy" ideas from the New Testiment.
Maybe that's for the next series. At least in the Legacy comics I'm starting to see some elements of heroism in the new Jedi, the image of the "good Imperial" Fel is slipping, and the Sith are being shown as the mass murdering psychos they always have been.
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JEDI-RISING
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I don't really agree with where they've taken the story either. I guess if you're going to tell endless stories, this is where you end up.
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Knightfire
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It's strange (and a bit disheartening) how recent SW series seem to exist in some respects as mere exercises in sadism, to see how much misery can be heaped on our heroes before it kills them, breaks them, or turns them into something dark and ugly.
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Darth-Ghost
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Some real-world comparison I noticed, based on the spoilers, between the GFFA and the real world:
1.) Galactic Republic = Roman Republic
2.) Galactic Empire = Roman Empire
3.) New Republic = Holy Roman Empire (weak shadow of the one before)
4.) Yuuzhan Vong = Barbarian/Viking/Mongol/Muslim invasions (the Dark Ages)
5.) old Galactic Alliance = Pax Britannica (Britain/Coruscant dominates the world/galaxy)
6.) Darth Caedus & GAG = Hitler & Nazis (after this galaxy/Europe becomes sick of war, & comes together freely instead of by Hitler's/Caedus' imposed force)
7.) new Galactic Alliance = European Union (superstates now have more power than the overall government, but they're united)
It's not perfect, but it does kind of fit.
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trooper0074
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Read the book and it was ok. Not the best, but not the worst SW ever. I wish this was told better as an etire story over the 9 books. Too much was shoved in to the various books and then never mentioned again. Leaves a lot open for the future though.
The next likely stpes of story telling based on how this all ended up.
SW: Millenium - Basically going to be an adventure so Allana can get to know granny and gramps. Going to discover a plot to create a nanovirus that targets midi-clorians or something (threat to the force itself...). Daala and Boba are involved of course.
Sw: Schism Duology (6 yrs post Invincible)
The Force Divided - Luke dies! (mystery - unknown assailant/sniper?) Coucil falls under sway of Kyp. Jaina and several other Jedi leave to join the Remnant with Jag. Daala gets "retired". Political power struggle for new CoS. Zekk captured by One Sith. Tahiri escapes. Ben begins quest to find killer.
A New Beginning - Jaina/Jag wed. Jag leaves GA and allies with Chiss. Becomes Emperor Fel I. Imperial Knights formed. Triumverat established in GA. Zekk becomes Sith. Tahiri becomes Vong Dark sider as per Anakins vision. Ben finds Luke's killer (any ideas?). Ben gets apprentice.
Now it gets to be fun again...
Just some ideas. Please add, erase, butcher, or blast away. 
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Manisphere
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trooper0074 posted:
Sw: Schism Duology (6 yrs post Invincible)
The Force Divided - Luke dies! (mystery - unknown assailant/sniper?) Coucil falls under sway of Kyp. Jaina and several other Jedi leave to join the Remnant with Jag. Daala gets "retired". Political power struggle for new CoS. Zekk captured by One Sith. Tahiri escapes. Ben begins quest to find killer.
This one intrigues me. It seems somewhat inevitable in one way or another.
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Who is responsible for coming up with these story ideas? Who has the final say? Is it LFL or Del Rey? As someone ignorant of the whole publishing business, I'm curious as to who is to "blame" or "congratulate" (depending on your view of any series, not just LotF) as the entity that came up with what the series should be about. Does anyone know for sure?
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NewStaryknight
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Darth-Ghost posted:
Some real-world comparison I noticed, based on the spoilers, between the GFFA and the real world:
1.) Galactic Republic = Roman Republic
2.) Galactic Empire = Roman Empire
3.) New Republic = Holy Roman Empire (weak shadow of the one before)
4.) Yuuzhan Vong = Barbarian/Viking/Mongol/Muslim invasions (the Dark Ages)
5.) old Galactic Alliance = Pax Britannica (Britain/Coruscant dominates the world/galaxy)
6.) Darth Caedus & GAG = Hitler & Nazis (after this galaxy/Europe becomes sick of war, & comes together freely instead of by Hitler's/Caedus' imposed force)
7.) new Galactic Alliance = European Union (superstates now have more power than the overall government, but they're united)
It's not perfect, but it does kind of fit.
When do we get to America? 
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NewStaryknight
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trooper0074 posted:
Read the book and it was ok. Not the best, but not the worst SW ever. I wish this was told better as an etire story over the 9 books. Too much was shoved in to the various books and then never mentioned again. Leaves a lot open for the future though.
The next likely stpes of story telling based on how this all ended up.
SW: Millenium - Basically going to be an adventure so Allana can get to know granny and gramps. Going to discover a plot to create a nanovirus that targets midi-clorians or something (threat to the force itself...). Daala and Boba are involved of course.
Sw: Schism Duology (6 yrs post Invincible)
The Force Divided - Luke dies! (mystery - unknown assailant/sniper?) Coucil falls under sway of Kyp. Jaina and several other Jedi leave to join the Remnant with Jag. Daala gets "retired". Political power struggle for new CoS. Zekk captured by One Sith. Tahiri escapes. Ben begins quest to find killer.
A New Beginning - Jaina/Jag wed. Jag leaves GA and allies with Chiss. Becomes Emperor Fel I. Imperial Knights formed. Triumverat established in GA. Zekk becomes Sith. Tahiri becomes Vong Dark sider as per Anakins vision. Ben finds Luke's killer (any ideas?). Ben gets apprentice.
Now it gets to be fun again...
Just some ideas. Please add, erase, butcher, or blast away.
First one, like it. Second one, don't like it. Third one, think its okay but could be lighter. There you go.
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NewStaryknight posted:
Darth-Ghost posted:
Some real-world comparison I noticed, based on the spoilers, between the GFFA and the real world:
1.) Galactic Republic = Roman Republic
2.) Galactic Empire = Roman Empire
3.) New Republic = Holy Roman Empire (weak shadow of the one before)
4.) Yuuzhan Vong = Barbarian/Viking/Mongol/Muslim invasions (the Dark Ages)
5.) old Galactic Alliance = Pax Britannica (Britain/Coruscant dominates the world/galaxy)
6.) Darth Caedus & GAG = Hitler & Nazis (after this galaxy/Europe becomes sick of war, & comes together freely instead of by Hitler's/Caedus' imposed force)
7.) new Galactic Alliance = European Union (superstates now have more power than the overall government, but they're united)
It's not perfect, but it does kind of fit.
When do we get to America?
Outbound Flight was Mayflower which never got to the New World.... 
I have nothing really to say about the similarities between SW governments and real world one's, except that those comparisons seem to fit, more or less well.
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trooper0074 posted:
Read the book and it was ok. Not the best, but not the worst SW ever. I wish this was told better as an etire story over the 9 books. Too much was shoved in to the various books and then never mentioned again. Leaves a lot open for the future though.
The next likely stpes of story telling based on how this all ended up.
SW: Millenium - Basically going to be an adventure so Allana can get to know granny and gramps. Going to discover a plot to create a nanovirus that targets midi-clorians or something (threat to the force itself...). Daala and Boba are involved of course.
Sw: Schism Duology (6 yrs post Invincible)
The Force Divided - Luke dies! (mystery - unknown assailant/sniper?) Coucil falls under sway of Kyp. Jaina and several other Jedi leave to join the Remnant with Jag. Daala gets "retired". Political power struggle for new CoS. Zekk captured by One Sith. Tahiri escapes. Ben begins quest to find killer.
A New Beginning - Jaina/Jag wed. Jag leaves GA and allies with Chiss. Becomes Emperor Fel I. Imperial Knights formed. Triumverat established in GA. Zekk becomes Sith. Tahiri becomes Vong Dark sider as per Anakins vision. Ben finds Luke's killer (any ideas?). Ben gets apprentice.
Now it gets to be fun again...
Just some ideas. Please add, erase, butcher, or blast away.
First one: It's okay.
Second one: I LOVE IT!  Hope this one happens. 
Third one: Another tie-in to the comics. Great. 
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Someone over at BNJO.com said that Tenel Ka takes Allana to meet the rest of the Sky/Solo's in this book and they all felt a connection to her. Is this true?
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Daala as COS?! ROFLMAO  I'm now even more glad that I was able to overcome my nerdism and drop this series(after Tempest)when I could. And having read through the spoilers here, I see no reason to pick it up from where I left off. With the exception of Star By Star, I never enjoyed Denning's work anyway.
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Jedi Ben
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NewStaryknight posted:
When do we get to America?
Been there, done that, it was called the Rebellion! 
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