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Darth-Ghost
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My idea for a post-LOTF novel...
It starts off happily enough with Jag proposing to Jaina. They've been called, along with most of the Jedi, to the temple on Ossus by Luke. Luke announces he's stepping down as Grand Master, and leaves the position to Kyp Durron.
Meanwhile, it hits the holonet that Queen Mother Tenel Ka has been assassinated. Hologram evidence points to Daala ordering Tahiri Veila to do the deed. Daala denies this, and a crisis begins, with people thinking Daala has fallen back to her old ways. Jag decides to separate the Imperial Remnant from the Galactic Alliance, Kyp Durron decides to make the Jedi independent from the Alliance also, and Hapes is in chaos with nobles battling for position of Queen Mother. The Moffs tell Jag he can't do this without first declaring himself Emperor, and will allow this if Jag promises they remain to have a voice, which Jag agrees too and becomes Emperor Fel I.
Jaina comforts a mourning Allana before being assigned by Kyp to work with Ben in bringing Tahiri to justice. Personally, he also warns her that she will soon have to choose between her engagement with the newly-crowned Emperor and the Jedi way. Jaina meets Ben, who wonders whether he should have spared her or not, and Jaina wants to avenge Allana's loss.
They find Tahiri easily enough, who actually comes to them, saying she was framed. Jaina and Ben are cautious, but decide to give her a chance. As they're looking for clues they come upon evidence that it probably wasn't Tahiri, but they lose trust and decide to just abandon her when she gives in to the darkside for a moment while defending Ben and Jaina. They return empty-handed, saying they don't believe it was Daala or Tahiri, but have no evidence.
Tahiri wants forgiveness and redemption, and carries on the search. It leads her to Zekk, who's being tortured by darkside captors on a mostly-empty world. She rescues him, putting a tracking signal on the captors as they escape in a starship, and Zekk tells her about the One Sith. Tahiri and Zekk send a desperate signal out to the Jedi, the Alliance, the Empire, and the Hapans. Nobody believes them, and think it's an excuse to save themselves. The Alliance begins sending ships over to arrest them.
Zekk and Tahiri track the One Sith, hoping to reveal them when the Alliance finally catches up. The Sith realized they are being tracked, and land on Ziost instead of Korriban. They confront Tahiri and Zekk, who capture them alive for interrogation. The Alliance arrives and decides they are all conspirators together, and fires upon then, killing Tahiri and Zekk along with the One Sith they captured. The Star Destroyers then procceed to raze Ziost. The secret of the One Sith is kept safe. The Alliance merely states that it has found and terminated the killers of Tenel Ka: Tahiri, Zekk, and their minions, saying they were followers of Darth Caedus who were trying to avenge him. Jaina, Ben, and Allana are on Ossus and do not trust this report from the Alliance; they see it as a coverup to prevent another civil war, though those three are the only ones not to believe it.
Daala resigns, and the superstates of the Galactic Alliance decide a Triumverate will rule from now on, and the 3 representaives will rotate through all the superstates in terms. Jaina has returned to Ossus, and Kyp asks for her decision: Jedi or Empire. Jaina says she will officially resign as a Jedi, being disturbed by how the Alliance blasted away Tahiri and Zekk without giving them a chance. But she will bring the Jedi to the Empire, vowing to train Imperial Knights to serve the galaxy at the command of the Emperor. Kyp is sad, but decides to let her go. Ben vows to Allana he will find her mother's true killer. It ends with Jaina's wedding and coronation as Empress; with all her family and his in attendance.
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Emperor_Time
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NewStaryknight posted:
Emperor_Time posted:
But you must read them for Ben and Allana sake at least. 
You and I really ought to chat on another thread about this sometime. 
That sounds like a great idea. 
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NewStaryknight
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Emperor_Time posted:
NewStaryknight posted:
Emperor_Time posted:
But you must read them for Ben and Allana sake at least.
You and I really ought to chat on another thread about this sometime.
That sounds like a great idea.
Name the time and thread and will do it pal. 
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Emperor_Time
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NewStaryknight posted:
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[quote=Emperor_Time]But you must read them for Ben and Allana sake at least.
You and I really ought to chat on another thread about this sometime.
That sounds like a great idea.
Name the time and thread and will do it pal. [/quote]
I don't know what time it should be yet but which thread should we chat on? 
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This would be a conversation for PM.
Darth_Ghost, and others, let's keep speculation about post-LotF books to other threads, please. I realize that means that your speculation has to be kept in check for a bit longer, but it really doesn't belong here and gets in the way of other discussion atually relevant to Invincible. Thanks!
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Emperor_Time
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Ok I will keep that conversation to PM instead.
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Robimus
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As I mentioned a couple days back I really didn't enjoy this book at all. Now that I've had a few days to think on it a couple more parts that really bothered me have come to mind. But I'll also include some positive notes as well.
1. The Imperial Remnant: Since the Hand of Thrawn Duology the Imperial Remnant has been portrayed in a positive light, allied with our hero's and often standing up for what is right under the leadership of Gilad Pellaeon. One example would be Gilad's refusal to work with Jacen Solo, whom he nick named Little Darth Vader  .
Now with Gilad's death and the removal of Moff Saretti by retirement the Empire was thrust back into the role of chief villian, most likely because LotF had simply killed every other single villian in the EU up to this point. During this series we lost Sal-Solo, Lumiya, Alema, then even Niathal and Daala as potential evil doers. Left with such a hole all that could have remained was to drag in the One Sith, but because they are hiding I agree in not using them. All that then remained was the Empire.
Lecersen was Pellaeon's heir of sorts, named during Revelation. Yet I find it so hard to believe that Pellaeon would choose such a man to respect. This Moff is now responsible for genocide against several victems. I also seem to recall Pellaeon having a dilike for Alpha Red which makes these events that much harder to swallow for me......yet does the inclusion of the Nanokiller link the Remnant more closely with the Chiss? Hmmmmnnn.....
2. The Fel Empire: Jag Fel's rise in the Imperial higharchy should have been played out over the course of at least one novel, if not an entire trilogy. Why be in such an incredible rush to wrap up every single loose end? Jag and the Imperial Mission could well have had their own series, void of the Skywalkers and Solo's. I guess it still could, but the idea of Jag or Soontir rising against the odds to take control of the Empire seemed to be an idea with great potential. Jag was hardly even in this book.
3. Zekk, Lost in Space?: Okay, I have a huge theory on this so hang with me. I really think the least Jaina could have done was jump in a fighter and go look for her former "hive mate" and close friend. When did Jaina start taking anyones word for anything?
But here's my crazy theory: Zekk was rescued by the Sith Meditation Sphere, and as such will be able to carry on the line of the "rule of two". The sphere took a liking to him in Fury and this is really the only angle I can think of that makes any sense. Darth Zekk is coming!!!!!!
4. Fett: Did Boba at the age of one hundred and seventy five  really have to survive this novel? Well on the bright side I hope this means more Traviss novels about the Galaxies best bounty hunter in the near future.
5. Han Solo Quote:" Daala's not really that scary." Say what Han?
Now to the one thing about this novel that jumped out at me and I really enjoyed. The return of C3PO! I loved C3PO in this novel and I also thought Han was enjoyably written as well. I could be more forgiving of the rest if the ending hadn't been so final. I really wanted to see Darth Caedus live, or at very least "killed" in such a way that he could later return. Alas, it was not to be.......
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Robimus posted:
Lecersen was Pellaeon's heir of sorts, named during Revelation.
Actually, the interesting part is that Pellaeon names him as a "new breed of Moff", who supposedly isn't afraid to have females in the mix and is a little more open than the older Moffs who, I presume, want to bring back the High Human Culture movement that Daala's realignment of the Imperial Fleet did away with.
Pellaeon seemed on decent terms with the man, but that doesn't mean that Pellaeon a good grasp of the man's character.
I think the Moffs were working FAR more in concert than Pellaeon had suspected, and with him having been gone for so long it isn't surprising that a new order was in place by the time he got back and new alliances had been forged among the Moffs. Especially expansionist Moffs.
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I don't think it qualifies as genocide if you just kill several people.
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I like Robimus's ideas, but poor Jaina if she has to kill both Jacen AND Zekk.
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Robimus posted:
3. Zekk, Lost in Space?: Okay, I have a huge theory on this so hang with me. I really think the least Jaina could have done was jump in a fighter and go look for her former "hive mate" and close friend. When did Jaina start taking anyones word for anything?
But here's my crazy theory: Zekk was rescued by the Sith Meditation Sphere, and as such will be able to carry on the line of the "rule of two". The sphere took a liking to him in Fury and this is really the only angle I can think of that makes any sense. Darth Zekk is coming!!!!!!
The thought of Zekk being rescued by the Sith Meditation Sphere intrigues me as it actually kind of makes sense
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Funny, does anyone think that Legacy of the Force made the Empire evil again because of Legacy's treatment?
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Funny, does anyone think that Legacy of the Force made the Empire evil again because of Legacy's treatment?
most Likely
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Robimus posted:
2. The Fel Empire: Jag Fel's rise in the Imperial higharchy should have been played out over the course of at least one novel, if not an entire trilogy. Why be in such an incredible rush to wrap up every single loose end? Jag and the Imperial Mission could well have had their own series, void of the Skywalkers and Solo's. I guess it still could, but the idea of Jag or Soontir rising against the odds to take control of the Empire seemed to be an idea with great potential. Jag was hardly even in this book.
Not even a single chapter was dedicated to the rise of Jag. It was such a waste to do away with so many possibilities in a sentence or three.
Robimus posted:
3. Zekk, Lost in Space?: Okay, I have a huge theory on this so hang with me. I really think the least Jaina could have done was jump in a fighter and go look for her former "hive mate" and close friend. When did Jaina start taking anyones word for anything?
But here's my crazy theory: Zekk was rescued by the Sith Meditation Sphere, and as such will be able to carry on the line of the "rule of two". The sphere took a liking to him in Fury and this is really the only angle I can think of that makes any sense. Darth Zekk is coming!!!!!!
I thought of "Ship" coming to get Zekk too. The fact that no one "felt" Zekk die in the Force says it all to me. I actually hope he's just dead but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.
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5. Han Solo Quote:" Daala's not really that scary." Say what Han?
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I might be messing up so i gotta ask...Since Zekk is MIA, Raynar is kinda half-buggy/insane, and Tahiri is in Custody....Jaina and Tenel Ka are the only YJK/JJK left arent they?
And TK is Queeny and kinda out for a while now due to Allana's situation?
So it's kinda like the whole JJK/YJK series characters were total busts? And only Jaina came out ok. Physically anyway, since she is kind of emotionally messed over now.
Yes, no maybe? "Am i forgetting someone?" is kinda what im asking.
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