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Emperor_Time
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4/14 3:03pm
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But Mandos don't start off that young. 
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ARC-77
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Ulkesh2 posted:
Jacen's fate should be a blend of Ulic Quel-Droma and the new Battlestar Galactica's Baltar. The Jedi Council should 'strip' Jacen of Midi-Clorian use. Maroon him on a primitive planet out in Wild Space. Meanwhile every vengeful Corellian and Mandalorian can hunt for Jacen's location. To have 'true' justice on the beaten Sith Lord-in-exile. At some point one of these hunters discovers Allana's connection to Jacen. But that may be the story arc of another series of novels/comics. Oh and one other thing Jaina should remove Jacen's hands with a well placed saber. Thus helping to weaken Jacen enough for capture. So when Jacen is on that primitive Wild Space planet he must rely on the charity of the planet's sentient inhabitants. Or go ahead give the guy bionic hands. The idea being that Jacen needs to get back to the basics of life on a farm. Life on a farm did Luke good. It made him less likely to go dark over the pitfalls of moral relativity like Jacen did. Luke's nephew has never really had to live a pauper's life. So my suggestion is not to listen to the blood thirsty adrenline junkies of Star Wars fandom (you know the kind I mean - always wanting bigger and badder fights), but to the whispers of irony, mercy and mythic structure.
I'd be for something similar, but with Jacen a wanderer in the Outer Rim or something, trying to repent through little things and occasionally running into some vengeful Corellians or Mandos, like you said.
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Lank_Pavail
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Master_Keralys posted:
Nice colors, Lank. 
I'm rather hoping that the "spoilers" from SFBC are less than accurate. I'm liking the sound of the book from the RH synopsis quite a lot, though I must say that I really maintain hopes that it isn't the "duel to the death" the jacket predicts.
Interesting possibilities raised by that, though. 
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Rouge77 posted:
I want Jacen to survive, redeemed. I want Zekk survive too, the poor fool, and Jagged Fel killed. 
I want the exact opposite
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Emperor_Time
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What if we settle with both Zekk and Jagged Fel being killed. 
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ZanderSolo
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Emperor_Time posted:
What if we settle with both Zekk and Jagged Fel being killed.
Ok, but on one condition. I get to go out with Jaina. Aaaaaaaalright. Giggity-Giggity-Goo.
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Thrawn McEwok
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A wander through the thoughts that have come up in this thread... and a few of my own:
1.) Like Darth-Ghost, I'm really worried for Tahiri. She's one of my favourite characters, but her characterization in the previous novel didn't encourage much hope.
This is a character who ought to be given a heroic role as a pillar of the storyline, not damaged because she's not a Skywalker! Will we see it here?
2.) I'm resonably confident the Confederacy will play a role in this. There's going to be a big battle to dislodge Jacen's forces from Roche, if the most detailed of the summaries can be trusted, and I can't believe that it'll just be the Hapans, Mandos and Niathal's rump fleet taking them on.
The big question is whose side is the Empire on, and perhaps, to phrase it differently, who's in charge in Imperial space? That self-same blurb is the only source to say outright that the Imperials at Roche are actually with Jacen, which may be speculation. Jaina, in the preview extract of the novel, was surprised to see the Empire taking action so fast after the events of Revelation.
Their entire pro-Alliance leadership is gone: Pellaeon was single-handedly keeping them alligned with Niathal, and Quille and the group of Moffs who backed the alliance with Jacen were all killed off by Mandalorians.
So either we have some people we've never heard of before suddenly deciding to be pro-Jacen, or some anti-Jacen leaders (I can't believe Phennir has no Imperial connections any more), or else Jacen somehow puts someone in power to embody his own control - perhaps Tahiri, even?
3.) From the Empire, we can move on to consider Team Jaina - Jaina, Jag, Zekk, Leia, Han. Winged_Jedi's suggestion that Jaina-as-Luke actually leads to Jacen killing her is intriguing. The idea of Jaina using a flash-image of Luke's face to distract Jacen would be ironic, but if it was what decided the entire storyline, it would feel slightly like it was planned by committee.
However, I don't think this is really the most well-adjusted strike team. Zekk was consumed by the Dark Side at the end of Fury, and I don't see anything indicating that it spat him back out. Leia's traing under Saba and her attacks on Alema and Tahiri have turned her into someone who's murderously aggressive with a lightsaber - I'd say she's Dark Side too, it's just that she's as semi-detatched from Jedi Order oversight as ever, and Luke doesn't even THINK to worry that his beloved sister might be less than perfect. Jaina may be more fragile than she appears, and much less prepared - "be a different Jaina" isn't a plan; it's Mandalorian cultural bias against Jedi and Core Worlders.
Jag... has been awfully quiet, as a POV character; he's just been given more to do and say than Tahiri, so it's not as obvious. I don't trust him.
And that leaves Han. Who, as we all know, is the real hero of the saga, and is the guy who shoots Sith Lords from the hip. Allston stressed a couple of times just how good his ability with a blaster still is - so I wonder if we'll see some more of that in here.
On the other hand, as someone remarked back in Betrayal, Han really doesn't like or trust the Jedi much. I don't know if that gut instinct's been overcome - or, indeed, if it shouldn't be something he acts more strongly on.
I'd also be interested to know if Han ever REALLY retired from the Defense Force. He should be getting on for senior flag officer of the Fleet by now. 
But that's getting away from our topic...
4.) From Team Jaina, to the Jedi Order: is Luke's vision really of Krayt's Empire? It's possible, but we'd have to wait for more details before we can comment...
If it does mean that Luke's actually going to create the situation where the Sith take power, that would be ironic, but not inappropriate. People have been comparing him to Palpatine since The Joiner King.
And, if Team Jaina are up against Jacen, then Luke needs an antagonist - and Star Wars needs a new blond-haired young hero from Tatooine.
5.) And lastly, Ben. I don't think anyone ever explicitly called Mara an ancestress of Cade, did they? His evident interest in her could be explained as dream-logic, but it would be less icky if she wasn't his great-grandmother...
I'm holding out for Luke and Tenel Ka to get together... though then again, I'd also like to see the Jedi Order brought down.
7.) Maybe Jacen will win, after all. Who knows? If he was sane, or even confident and capable, he'd be a much more interesting antagonist. The idea that the bad guys are obviously nuts/misguided - as opposed to theatrical and dangerous - is the most annoying thing about "Legacy of the Force" for me. I hope that it turns out to be a more subtle story than it sometimes appears.
EDIT: it occurs to me that I've been thinking of this novel in the terms laid down by the previous book in the series, and to an extent by the series as a whole. As it's a Troy Denning book, I suspect we'll see something of flow-walking, perhaps even more Anakin Solo references, some strong female characters, a definite Hapan angle, Squibs, Saba, and perhaps an explanation for that white-eyed vision Leia saw in Tatooine Ghost and Jacen did in Tempest.
I also suspect we may see Luke doing what he does best, which is fight in an X-wing, and some fairly crunching lightsaber fights, combined with at least one major fleet battle.
And Jaina has a Bes'uliik, let's not forget....
But that's just idle speculation, really.
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Emperor_Time
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ZanderSolo posted:
Emperor_Time posted:
What if we settle with both Zekk and Jagged Fel being killed.
Ok, but on one condition. I get to go out with Jaina. Aaaaaaaalright. Giggity-Giggity-Goo.
Fine with me, then it agreed. 
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Jedi_Hall posted:
Am I the only one who wants Jacen to win?
Yes. You are.
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TIEPilot051999 posted:
Jedi_Hall posted:
Am I the only one who wants Jacen to win?
Yes. You are.
That is the truth. 
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You know what I want that probably won't happen: Jacen finding Darth Bane's works. I've read all of the legacy of the force books, all the Darth Bane books, and it could happen.
I also want to see Zekk join the dark side to save Jaina. I love this series!!!
EDIT: I want Jacen to win... but Jaina to live and Luke to die (I'm sorry- I don't really, it's somewhat likely to happen...
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Darth-Ghost posted:
JediMasterNicolas posted:
So, I've realized the best possible ending to Invincible ever. Nevermind Jaina taking down her brother, she fails at that. A few newly invented Jedi are killed fighting Jacen, a few fan favorites get injured but miraculously survive, and finally Luke ponies up and goes toe to toe with his nephew.
So, after a long and intense battle, Caedus beheads the mighty Luke Skywalker. Blasphemy you say, but wait! Caedus begins to rant about he's the greatest duelist/force user in the galaxy (mind you he's ranting at his uncle's headless body now, not the injured Jedi...he's gonna a little bonkers) and then suddenly feels a little tickling sensation in his chest. He looks down and notices a lightsaber has pierced through his back and out his front. Who wields the lightsaber? Luke Skywalker of course. Jacen notices that the beheaded body has disappeared, as have all the other Jedi. he was fighting illusions the entire time, while Luke kept himself concealed from Jacen's senses. Luke played him like a chidinkalu flute, and Jacen realizes it as he dies.
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Sorry, the books a month away, I'm going speculation crazy.
That... could actually work. We were intoduced to phantom fighting in Betrayal, and Luke showed off his great powers of illusion in Inferno. It would also make Jacen's vision come true... from a certain point of view.
I like it!
I'd actually forgotten that vision, but yeah, it does certainly work in favor of my theory. Boy, that would be an awesome way to go out on this series, with a correct prediction.
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TIEPilot051999 posted:
Jedi_Hall posted:
Am I the only one who wants Jacen to win?
Yes. You are.
I think it'd be kewl if Jacen won. Though that knda leaves the whole "full Cirlce" thing out the window. Unless of course the full circle means this is like the prequel trilogy and the next series is the OT like trilogy.
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The use of "kewlz" invalidates your opinion.
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Lank_Pavail posted:
Grandmaster Katarn: YES! Because no one gets the better of Kyle Katarn and lives to gloat...for long.
So true!
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