Master_Keralys posted:

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How, then, would you propose to go at it?

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Thrawn McEwok posted:

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Rogue_Follower posted:

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This is writing down the expectations that we already have.

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Are they the right ones, though?

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McEwok posted:

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Rogue_Follower posted:

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The code is more of a set of suggestions on how people should behave on the boards, for Lit to be a better place, with more intelligent discussion. That's all. "Act like this and you'll be a better poster."

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Then the question is, as I said, but with a little more emphasis: how do we keep the discussion constructive?

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McEwok posted:

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Rogue_Follower posted:

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And censorship and accusation? Please. No.

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Maybe that was too strong, but I think the emphasis of these expectations is wrong, and they could potentially cause problems of that sort. I hope that doesn't seem too forthright, but I'm not convinced that another statement of principle is the best way to communicate with the people who're not acting on the ones we already have.

Does that make sense?

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RF posted:

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By actively starting and encouraging more constructive topics? Offering special events and threads?

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Thrawn McEwok posted:

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Master_Keralys posted:

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How, then, would you propose to go at it?

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Well, I'm not convinced there's a problem, for one thing.

But, I think the answer is to encourage polite, informal commentary on tone, of the "would it be better if...?" variety, and to form discussion groups for the issues that prove contentious, to try and separate the info from the rhetoric...

- The Imperial Ewok

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s65horsey posted:

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SuperWatto posted:

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Looks good!
You shoulda had this up when I first came over.

Do enforce it, though, don't slack around with it, because then it will quickly become useless.

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QFT.

As far as Becca's concerns, I think there is a big difference between the quote respond posts that add to discussion and those that don't. If you find yourself responding with a blanket "No." but without showing proof as to why, then you're not helping discussion.

If you find yourself going back and forth on something where you're basically repeating yourself, you need to realize that this is a discussion not a "I must convince everyone that my opinion is the correct one" and that doesn't add to discussion.

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SuperWatto posted:

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Do enforce it, though, don't slack around with it, because then it will quickly become useless.

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rhonderoo posted:

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I'll add that I've seen countless times when a lengthy post (or even smaller one) broken down and quoted point by point is taken out of context, and tends to derail or dilute the conversation for the worse. Sometimes, it even looks as if it's done on purpose. It's this kind of thing that makes it hard for others to respond, because the discussion has took on tangents, as well as the "quotee" having to start defending things that might be taken out of context when presented as the whole idea took on a totally different meaning.

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RebelGrrl posted:

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This is called Nit-Picking. I consider it a deliberate attempt to derail discussion and discredit the poster by focusing on some small irrelevant-to-the-discussion detail and attempting to use it to shut down the poster. "I disagree with you and you are wrong about this small niggling point, so I am going to use that as an excuse to attempt to invalidate your whole opinion and argument and blow you out of the water so you shut up and go away."

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