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ChildOfWinds
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4/28 8:18am
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RE: Literature Forum Code of Conduct Discussion
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Another forum's rule posted:
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You are free to disagree with other people’s interpretation of things but you are not allowed to invalidate, dismiss, or otherwise ridicule their point of view.
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I agree completely! GREAT rule! It's pretty much what I meant in an earlier post in which I emphasized respect for other posters as being of prime importance.
Dismissing, invalidating, or ridiculing other posters' points of view usually leads to either : 1. hurt feelings and posters who leave the boards, don't post much, or just lurk. OR: 2. Posters who get angry at the offending poster and start to "dig in" and "fight back", leading to more negativity.
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AnnLouise
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4/29 6:51pm
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RE: Literature Forum Code of Conduct Discussion
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
Moreover, even with that said, I'm concerned that there's potentially a huge flaw on the enforcement side of this.
By creating these rather vague and subjective standards, with an even vaguer indication about how they're to be enforced, you're opening the door to more disruption: spurious complaints will have to be taken more seriously, and the Mods have a vague right to intervene without tight controls.
I really don't want to see a climate of censorship and accusation.
- The Imperial Ewok
Is this going to be a voluntary thing, or will you have to formally agree with it? I kind of agreed to do these things when I agreed to the TFN TOS. And I also wonder - who will decide and how will the decisons be enforced?
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dp4m
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4/29 6:58pm
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AnnLouise posted:
Thrawn McEwok posted:
Moreover, even with that said, I'm concerned that there's potentially a huge flaw on the enforcement side of this.
By creating these rather vague and subjective standards, with an even vaguer indication about how they're to be enforced, you're opening the door to more disruption: spurious complaints will have to be taken more seriously, and the Mods have a vague right to intervene without tight controls.
I really don't want to see a climate of censorship and accusation.
- The Imperial Ewok
Is this going to be a voluntary thing, or will you have to formally agree with it? I kind of agreed to do these things when I agreed to the TFN TOS. And I also wonder - who will decide and how will the decisons be enforced?
Every forum has an additional set of rules on TOP of the Rules of the Jedi Council Forums if they so choose. Some forums can also attempt to modify or bend some of the Rules, but that requires buy-in from the Admins (or in some cases, the Owners).
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AnnLouise
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dp4mIs this going to be a voluntary thing, or will you have to formally agree with it? I kind of agreed to do these things when I agreed to the TFN TOS. And I also wonder - who will decide and how will the decisons be enforced?
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Every forum has an additional set of rules on TOP of the Rules of the Jedi Council Forums if they so choose. Some forums can also attempt to modify or bend some of the Rules, but that requires buy-in from the Admins (or in some cases, the Owners).
So it's a set of guidelines, or something I've agreed to simply by posting on that forum? I'm not planning on saying anything rude, just wondering. I'm starting to wonder if something I'd posted could be considered to be violating these rules. Will I end up censoring myself - which I see as different from thinking about what you post before you post it.
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dp4m
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AnnLouise posted:
So it's a set of guidelines, or something I've agreed to simply by posting on that forum? I'm not planning on saying anything rude, just wondering. I'm starting to wonder if something I'd posted could be considered to be violating these rules. Will I end up censoring myself - which I see as different from thinking about what you post before you post it.
Generally some things are guidelines and some things you will be banned for violating. Depends on the forum and how many rules they have.
As an example, here are the JCC ones:
http://boards.theforce.net/your_jedi_council_community/b10008/27389617/p1/?0
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Master_Keralys
Title: Lit and EUC Mod
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4/29 8:11pm
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RE: Literature Forum Code of Conduct Discussion
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Thanks, dp4m. The god of rules strikes! 
For clarification: the Code as currently thought out and laid out really wouldn't change any of the rules; it might clarify what our interpretation is of those rules, and if we conclude that any extra or slightly modified rules are conducive to discussion here, we can do that as well (as dp4m laid out).
AnnLouise, part of the Code would be voluntary agreement to abide by it when posting in Lit. Obviously that shouldn't be a problem for most of the users given the proposed code, and we really are open to suggestions of how to improve the existing Code.
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dp4m
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I think, ultimately, what the Lit Mods are going for (and they should feel free to correct me if I am mistaken) is the following:
There is a concept across all forums of someone who is posting, not necessarily breaking rules per se, but generally as a "detriment to the community." Each forum has these folks and each forum has these folks for a different reason in many cases. We've had outright trolls in, say, the movie forums who were MODEL posters in Lit (as an example) -- and I think we've had vice versa, or x-overs with JCC, etc.
Basically, what I think they're going for is trying to codify what it is to NOT be a "detriment to the community." The Code would be trying to specifically avoid THAT type of posting, even if not breaking or modifying any rules (though some of that may happen as well).
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SuperWatto
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You know.
Just realized something.
Forums with a large audience aren't much older than ten years. And their way of functioning has remained largely the same. A new way to communicate en masse, but it's still laid out as if only for a select group. Not just this forum... All forums. Oh, the times I bang my head because the largest newspaper in my country runs a forum that's not properly moderated. And just last month, a new political movement here wanted to base their agenda on forum results... but was taken offline within a week because of all the bickering.
And in this jungle, this Wild West, one man stands up and says: We can make it better. One man looks to the future, looks to the frontier, and actually makes a stand to signify the need for change.
This of course scares the more reactionary contingent, but they're not the reason, nor will they suffer the consequences. It just might be that forums in twenty years from now will vary more and function differently. It just might be that our current version of a forum is like democracy in 1900: not quite the real deal yet. So it's good that there's one guy actively looking to improve it. I dare say that he already helped me see some things differently. DP: my hat is off to you... Just you keep at it.
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AnnLouise
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Date Posted:
4/30 7:28pm
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RE: Literature Forum Code of Conduct Discussion
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Master_Keralys posted:
AnnLouise, part of the Code would be voluntary agreement to abide by it when posting in Lit. Obviously that shouldn't be a problem for most of the users given the proposed code, and we really are open to suggestions of how to improve the existing Code.
- Keralys
My concern is this:
Voluntary guidelines can have the effect of, however unintentionally, becoming more than they were meant to.
"Do not start unnecessary arguments or debates" - if this remains as part of the code, who will decide when a debate is uncessary? If that isn't in there, my question is moot.
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Carnage04
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Rogue_Follower posted:
Literature Forum Code of Conduct
- Treat your fellow posters with respect.
- Treat VIPs, even those who are not users on this site, with respect.
- Do not state opinions, assumptions, personal canon, or rumors as fact. Identify them for what they are.
- Be prepared to back up your points with evidence and facts, as necessary. Likewise, be prepared to explain the reasoning behind your criticism of something.
- Read a book or comic before you review it. Withhold final judgement of a work until you have read it.
- Do not start unnecessary arguments or debates.
- Keep personal confrontations out of threads.
- Think hard about posting, if your post does not make any contribution to the discussion.
- Do your best to post intelligibly.
What the? Great. You just reduced posting on this board by 95%. 
Seriously, I probably should have read the rest of the thread to see if this was addressed, but perhaps "Do not start OFFTOPIC arguments or debates" would be more appropriate. I think the stand you are trying to make it say......preventing every Legacy thread from becoming a "Is Roan Fel the Legitimate Emperor" debate or every LoTF thread into "Was Vergere a sith?"
I think "Do not state opinions, assumptions, personal canon, or rumors as fact. Identity them for what they are." can get a little dicey. Most posts are in fact Opinions, Assumptions, etc..... Do they all need to be prefaced by "It is only my opinion that......"?
Otherwise, I think this is a great idea.
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dp4m
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AnnLouise posted:
Master_Keralys posted:
AnnLouise, part of the Code would be voluntary agreement to abide by it when posting in Lit. Obviously that shouldn't be a problem for most of the users given the proposed code, and we really are open to suggestions of how to improve the existing Code.
- Keralys
My concern is this:
Voluntary guidelines can have the effect of, however unintentionally, becoming more than they were meant to.
"Do not start unnecessary arguments or debates" - if this remains as part of the code, who will decide when a debate is uncessary? If that isn't in there, my question is moot.
One of the things the new Rules of the Jedi Council Forums did was to try and codify all of the "unwritten" rules that we had. No one really thought that it would be possible to the extent that it was and, believe me when I say this, when people like farraday, YodaJeff, KnightWriter, DarthAttorney, etc. all pretty much thought we did as good a job as we could for both making things more codified AT THE SAME TIME AS making things more subjective... well, I no longer think that things like that are impossible.
So, I'm certain some of the code of conduct would be getting some of the Lit-specific unwritten rules more written and some will be more "hopefully common sense" guidelines. How that falls out is unclear, but (one hopes) it will be posted here for feedback in much of the same manner of this thread prior to formal adoption. The new Rules went through a month of user-review in Comms prior to becoming live and a lot of good things were caught (mostly by the above mentioned folks, who take this way more seriously than most of the rest of you all ).
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RE: Literature Forum Code of Conduct Discussion
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If you'd like to see how the "code" can be broken, check out the last few pages of the thread below this one. (The "Invincible" spoiler thread.) It's got it all! Getting nasty based on spoilers, without having read the book. Getting personal (even flaming) with each other because we didn't like something someone said about a fictional character (but it was my favorite!) and the way their story went in a book, etc.
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Jedi Ben
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rhonderoo posted:
If you'd like to see how the "code" can be broken, check out the last few pages of the thread below this one. (The "Invincible" spoiler thread.) It's got it all! Getting nasty based on spoilers, without having read the book. Getting personal (even flaming) with each other because we didn't like something someone said about a fictional character (but it was my favorite!) and the way their story went in a book, etc.
Yup, it's also resurrected the 'you're not a real fan....' line too!
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s65horsey
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Thanks for pointing that out, Roo, this example really illustrates why we need this code and why the mods need to enforce it. There is no reason for those things to be said and done on a message board.
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I am shocked... SHOCKED... to find gambling in this establishment!
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