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DarthUr Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 6:35pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	UnknownRogue posted: Well, Palpatine had to get rid of the idealistic Jedi, slaughtering the younglings was a most to do that. As you can see the Jedi coddled the Vong a bit, because Alpha Red would have done the job quickly and efficiently. Alpha Red would've been, I suppose, less evil than what the Vong themselves were planning to do to the GFFA. However, it's a stretch to say that this makes Alpha Red non-evil. Especially knowing the existence of the Shamed Ones. UnknownRogue posted: Its all theoretical, if Palpatine really did everything he did for the sake of hardening the Galaxy against the Vong. That was the reason he destroyed Outbound Flight. That was supposedly why he was taking control. Things would be radically different if the Empire had been at full steam, alive and kicking when the Vong showed up, for better or for worse, I am not sure. Living under the Empire is a lesser evil than living under the Vong. That doesn't make it not an evil. Especially if you think that Palpatine would've restored civil liberties and freed all the slaves and made everyone happy again once the Far Outsiders were gone, as opposed to simply integrating the Far Outsiders into his overall plans to conquer for conquest's sake. (Seriously, dude, the man is a Sith. He wanted to rule everything he could get his hands on long before he heard of any Far Outsiders.) But yes, I do think there was an attempt at some major whitewashing in Outbound Flight. The jarringly positive light in which Kinman Doriana is generally portrayed (despite that this guy is knowingly acting as a Sith Apprentice) bugs the hell out of me. As does the general portrayal of Thrawn as a decent guy in the wrong place at the wrong time -- the reason he was a cool character in The Thrawn Trilogy is because of the genocidal monster under the urbane art lover.
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DarthUr Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 6:38pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	AdmiralNick22 posted: Pah, that "large Rebel Alliance fleet" appears only in Empire at War. IMO, it was one of the weakest parts of that game. Mon Calamari cruisers were barely even active pre-Yavin, plus there was no unified Alliance fleet until Ackbar's appointment in 1 ABY. --Adm. Nick Doesn't prove anything anyway. There is a peaceful civilian population supporting the Rebel military. The Empire tries to nuke them. The Rebels bring in a military force to try to stop the Empire. At no point in any of this does Alderaan itself morph into a "military target" as a result of this. Just as one might be able to justify Osama bin Laden launching a revolutionary war against the House of Saud in Arabia and against their American military allies -- that, in and of itself, I do not see as militarily unethical regardless of whether I agree with his political cause -- but that does not excuse attacks on civilians in New York City, even though those civilians are part of a government directly funding the military he opposes and directly protected by said military.
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UnknownRogue Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 6:47pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	Now now, I have no strong feelings towards Mara or Ailyn but I feel those acts were evil because: Ailyn was a prisoner, she wasn't fighting, she hadn't even committed a crime. She was a suspect but she guilty until proven innocent apparently and Caedus killed her in cold blood because he wasn't paying attention. Mara died because Caedus thought he had some ritual to fulfill and he fully understood the consequences of what he was doing and who he was doing it to. I think that makes them worse then killing a planet full of passive-aggressive pacifists. Alderaan died because of the acts of thousands of people. Mara and Ailyn died because of one. And too be honest I would put the burning of Kashyyk right up there with Mara and Ailyn, too be honest I had forgotten that. I think Caedus's actions would fill out much of a "Top 100 Most Evil Things". What he did to Tahiri with the flow walking...very very evil. But someone pushing a button and killing millions of people thousands of miles away is VERY different from standing two feet from a women and slowly slitting her throat in front of her kids.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/20/08 7:06pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	I think that makes them worse then killing a planet full of passive-aggressive pacifists. Alderaan died because of the acts of thousands of people. Mara and Ailyn died because of one. I honestly believe Tarkin blew it up solely because of his distaste for Bail Organa and his desire to coerce Leia. Whether the Alderaanians had been helping the Rebellion or not wouldn't have honestly mattered. It's a demonstration. They wanted the galaxy to know not even Core Worlds are safe.
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UnknownRogue Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:14pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	I agree Char, alderaan was doomed no matter what Leia said. And sure the Death Star was a planet cracker and pretty much overkill for Mon Cal ships but what about the World Ships of the Vong? You planet the 3 or 4 Death Stars the Empire had along with the rest of their superweapons at Sernpidal and the Vong would have been destroyed as they entered this galaxy, period. World Devastators? What better used for a World Devastator then to eat a planet where everything wants you dead? Galaxy Gun? Dovin Basals have a great deal of trouble sucking up torpedo's if they cont know their coming. Sun Crusher? It would have been the last ship alive if the Vong did defeat the Imperial fleet and would render all the planets in the system useless to the Vong, provided any survived or showed up.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:17pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	UnknownRogue posted: I agree Char, alderaan was doomed no matter what Leia said. And sure the Death Star was a planet cracker and pretty much overkill for Mon Cal ships but what about the World Ships of the Vong? You planet the 3 or 4 Death Stars the Empire had along with the rest of their superweapons at Sernpidal and the Vong would have been destroyed as they entered this galaxy, period. World Devastators? What better used for a World Devastator then to eat a planet where everything wants you dead? Galaxy Gun? Dovin Basals have a great deal of trouble sucking up torpedo's if they cont know their coming. Sun Crusher? It would have been the last ship alive if the Vong did defeat the Imperial fleet and would render all the planets in the system useless to the Vong, provided any survived or showed up. Yeah, I gotta disagree there. 1. The World Ships could be destroyed by just sending a Star Destroyer into it. You could manufacture a lot more Star Destroyers to smash into ships as ramming devices than you could Death Stars and they'll be able to move much quicker. 2. Again, a bit overkill. You could just nuke the site from orbit with turbolasers. 3. Galaxy Gun and Suncrushers are just too powerful for their mission and powerful=expensive. Just my take on it. Plus, 3 could be easily captured.
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DarthUr Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:17pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	I remember Luke actually expressing deep regret over destroying the Galaxy Gun, saying that while at the time they couldn't imagine such an overpowered superweapon being used for anything but oppression and terror, now it's exactly the kind of thing they would need to turn the tide of the war. Life's a crapshoot. You do what you do. Part of the point of the LotF series is -- or, at least, should be -- that just stopping the ridiculously horrible evil monstrous bad guys is not an excuse to be complacent about the more human evils of slavery and oppression.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:23pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	DarthUr posted: Life's a crapshoot. You do what you do. Part of the point of the LotF series is -- or, at least, should be -- that just stopping the ridiculously horrible evil monstrous bad guys is not an excuse to be complacent about the more human evils of slavery and oppression. I'd take that warning more seriously were Jacen Solo not a ridiculously horrible evil monstrous bad guy. Tarkin and Vader come off as sane comparatively. Tarkin might actually want to keep Fondor's shipyards.
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UnknownRogue Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:28pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	Actually I don't think you would be able to crash a Star Destroyer into a world ship. Remember the Second Battle of Borealis? They had enough trouble crashing an SSD into a World Ship and that was designed as a ram. A regular Star Destroyer would be destroyed far quicker. I believe that DS II was already under construction before its big brother was destroyed, at least the materials were prolly already requisitioned. And the Maw had a mini death Star protecting it, that is three already, in addition to the Galaxy Gun, Sun Crusher and Devastators, obviously money was no object for the Empire. And the Galaxy Gun is a good investment...artillery completely safe from reprisals. And who knows what the Empire would have come up with given those thirty or so years of relative peace. And you gotta think, these superweapons are being protected by THE Imperial Navy. At least Seven SSD's, hundreds, if not thousands of regular Star Destroyer and millions of smaller ships. If Palpatine was indeed fortifying against the Vong. Even the Eyes of Palpatine would have devastated the Vong...Two fleets worth of damage coming from two ships.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:39pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	UnknownRogue posted: If Palpatine was indeed fortifying against the Vong. Even the Eyes of Palpatine would have devastated the Vong...Two fleets worth of damage coming from two ships. I actually argue that Han was probably correct. The Empire's fundamental corruption was the problem. Palpatine might have wasted vast amounts of wealth on poor weapons than genuinely decent ones. I remind you, the Rebellion used X-wings while Palpatine used TIE Fighters.
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DarthUr Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:40pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	Don't forget the one-ship navy that was the Eclipse. Palpatine's Empire, had it survived, would've had superlasers galore.
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DarthUr Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 8:43pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	Charlemagne19 posted: I'd take that warning more seriously were Jacen Solo not a ridiculously horrible evil monstrous bad guy. Tarkin and Vader come off as sane comparatively. Tarkin might actually want to keep Fondor's shipyards. Well, okay, but that's the point. Jacen is an internal threat, who starts out, at least theoretically, with a laudable mission to stabilize the Galaxy and maintain law and order and so on, and then becomes ridiculously horrible. This is the kind of thing that you're supposed to worry about -- power concentrations that corrupt the people who hold them, evil arising from the hearts of the galactic government itself -- and that is supposed to have been the main cause of human suffering in the galaxy's history. Obviously the equation changes if the main thing you're worried about is a whole gigantic civilization of bad guys appearing out of the extragalactic void with their own ready-made army, the vast majority of whom are irredeemably evil fanatic psychopaths. The Galaxy Gun is a good and justifiable thing to keep around if you really expect that to happen. Otherwise, it's basically totalitarian-dictatorship-in-a-can.
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UnknownRogue Registered: Oct '08	Date Posted: 10/20/08 9:01pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	You are right, the Emperor did favor expedience and numbers over quality and skill. But I think the Emperor would have been able to hold things together. And the Vong would not have ever acquired the Death Star plans and never would have known about the "aesthetic choice by the designer", and without that the Rebels would have been finished. Plus I dont think a Coral Skipper would have made the Trench run or made a run through the heart of the Death Star. Though I think this is a little off topic.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 10/20/08 9:08pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	UnknownRogue posted: You are right, the Emperor did favor expedience and numbers over quality and skill. But I think the Emperor would have been able to hold things together. And the Vong would not have ever acquired the Death Star plans and never would have known about the "aesthetic choice by the designer", and without that the Rebels would have been finished. Plus I dont think a Coral Skipper would have made the Trench run or made a run through the heart of the Death Star. Though I think this is a little off topic. True.
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Tyber_Zahn Registered: Sep '08	Date Posted: 10/21/08 4:32am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
	Well if you took something like WW2 and scalled up the size of a galaxy, we would have been bombing entire planets populated with civilians into the stone age. The nuclear bomb dropped on Japan would be planet destroying bombs. Not that would have made the Allies any more evil, they're fighting the war the same way just the scale of the war is different.
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