CooperTFN posted: posted:* Revelation has the only case of off-screen reported EU Rape with Boba Fett's wife (herself a bounty hunter) being reduced to a "woman in the fridge." Oh, we've seen worse.
posted:* Revelation has the only case of off-screen reported EU Rape with Boba Fett's wife (herself a bounty hunter) being reduced to a "woman in the fridge."
patchworkz7 posted:And, yes, somehow SHATTERPOINT had just slipped through my Must-Read pile, despite it being Stover, I'm rectifying that now.
CernStormrunner posted:This.
Jedi Ben posted:patchworkz7 posted:And, yes, somehow SHATTERPOINT had just slipped through my Must-Read pile, despite it being Stover, I'm rectifying that now. I think you'll like it, as it's one of the very few EU books that makes claim to being in part about the reality of war and actually does.
Jedi Ben posted:Oh agreed Carl, but where Shatterpoint departs from Traitor to the greatest is in its appreciation of what makes SW tick; there's a stunning clarity to Shatterpoint that I don't find in Traitor.
Havac posted:I couldn't disagree more. To dismiss Traitor as a substanceless exercise in mind-blowing is to do it a colossal disservice. There's a very cohesive philosophy presented.
posted:They say Palpatine moves in mysterious ways. Maybe so, but he's a conman compared to the Verge.
rumsmuggler posted:Can you send a copy of that because I didn't see the actual killing in my ROTS dvd. I know it happened but I want to see it for myself
Darth_Carl99 posted:Havac posted:I couldn't disagree more. To dismiss Traitor as a substanceless exercise in mind-blowing is to do it a colossal disservice. There's a very cohesive philosophy presented. I think your misunderstanding me. The entire point of confusing the reader is to make them ask QUESTIONS. But it never gives you an answer, anymore than Verge gives Jacen one. You just get a lot of contradictory bits of philosophy, and people tend to pick and choose what they think was meant or what they like themselves, or what they think is logical, or is common sense, or one of a dozen other criteria, and come up with a philosophy based on what they accept or believe in. But ultimately there’s so many, (often contradictory), statements, that you can derive a dozen different philosophies, each with a couple of hundred subtle variations from the statements. The only reason so many people agree on what the philosophy is, is because they assume Verge mostly told the truth to Jacen. Considering how much she lied to and manipulated the Vong and the GA/NR I see no reason to believe she was being any more truthful with him than she was with the others. Everything she does is a carefully planned plot. Similar situation with the One Sith/Lumiya thing. Do I believe she was really part of Krayt's One Sith, then allied herself with Lumiya. Yes. Do I believe she was actually a Sith? No. IMHO she just manipulated them to do her bidding for some really obscure reasons. As far as I’m concerned nothing she does can be taken at face value or trusted. The purpose of the whole book though is to confuse the reader, make them ask questions, and help them understand Jacen's position by ultimately putting them through the same experience he went through, leaving you with the same confused questioning nature at the end. To borrow a B5 quote. posted:They say Palpatine moves in mysterious ways. Maybe so, but he's a conman compared to the Verge.