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rumsmuggler  18279 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 8:22am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars? - Date Edited: 4/22/08 8:26am (1 edits total) Edited By: rumsmuggler
CooperTFN posted:
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* Revelation has the only case of off-screen reported EU Rape with Boba Fett's wife (herself a bounty hunter) being reduced to a "woman in the fridge."

Oh, we've seen worse.


That was pretty awful.

The Embrace of Pain

It can be used for committing heinous acts, but I can also see a market for that sorta thing for folks with "adventurous" taste. mischief

 

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EH_Pilot  3940 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 9:58am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
What Vader did 10 seconds before this

 

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patchworkz7  3179 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 10:07am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
CooperTFN posted:
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* Revelation has the only case of off-screen reported EU Rape with Boba Fett's wife (herself a bounty hunter) being reduced to a "woman in the fridge."

Oh, we've seen worse.


Interesting. I've just started reading SHATTERPOINT, but is the word "rape" actually used, or do they dance around the issue, because part of the shock people had over REV was that the word itself was unflinchingly used.

And, yes, somehow SHATTERPOINT had just slipped through my Must-Read pile, despite it being Stover, I'm rectifying that now.

 

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Jedi Ben  9344 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 11:58am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
patchworkz7 posted:
And, yes, somehow SHATTERPOINT had just slipped through my Must-Read pile, despite it being Stover, I'm rectifying that now.


I think you'll like it, as it's one of the very few EU books that makes claim to being in part about the reality of war and actually does.

 

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Darthbane2007  1373 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:06pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
CernStormrunner posted:
This.




GAHHH! MY EYES, MY BEAUTIFUL EYES! AHHHHHHHHHH!

 

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Darth_Carl99  254 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:24pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Jedi Ben posted:
patchworkz7 posted:
And, yes, somehow SHATTERPOINT had just slipped through my Must-Read pile, despite it being Stover, I'm rectifying that now.


I think you'll like it, as it's one of the very few EU books that makes claim to being in part about the reality of war and actually does.


Yeah, I actually read Shatterpoint before I read Traitor, and after Shatterpoint I expected Traitor to be pretty brutal. But in reality it's like comparing a tame gerbil to a rabid, blood mad, and thoroughly starved Lion.

It's one of the harshest and most brutally uncompromising books I’ve read. Their have been worse, but their few and far between.

 

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Jedi Ben  9344 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:27pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Oh agreed Carl, but where Shatterpoint departs from Traitor to the greatest is in its appreciation of what makes SW tick; there's a stunning clarity to Shatterpoint that I don't find in Traitor.

 

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masterskywalker  6085 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:28pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
"Master Arca."

Fine, fine, *one* survivor. tongue But at least he had force training that kept him sane. I'm not sure an average Republic grunt could walk away from the same thing.

 

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Darth_Carl99  254 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 1:34pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Jedi Ben posted:
Oh agreed Carl, but where Shatterpoint departs from Traitor to the greatest is in its appreciation of what makes SW tick; there's a stunning clarity to Shatterpoint that I don't find in Traitor.


Oh I agree totally, ultimately the entire purpose of Traitor IMHO was to play with the readers head, just like that Avian played with Jacen’s. You come out of it with no clue as to what right, wrong, up, down, left, right, forwards, backwards, sideways, slantways, crossways, and ay other way you can think of is.

And that’s why I don’t think you can make much of Verge's, (or however you spell her name), comments and actions. Any interpretation is both automatically right, and automatically wrong. Their was never supposed to be anything to actually interpret, it was just a big mind game intended to make the reader feel unsure and confused about everything.

It's the ability to successfully do that that makes traitor such a good book IMHO.

 

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Havac  14251 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 2:11pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
I couldn't disagree more. To dismiss Traitor as a substanceless exercise in mind-blowing is to do it a colossal disservice. There's a very cohesive philosophy presented.

 

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younghansolo  576 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 2:32pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Killing one of the Big Three. Seriously.

 

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Darth_Carl99  254 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 2:43pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars? - Date Edited: 4/22/08 2:51pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Carl99
Havac posted:
I couldn't disagree more. To dismiss Traitor as a substanceless exercise in mind-blowing is to do it a colossal disservice. There's a very cohesive philosophy presented.


I think your misunderstanding me.

The entire point of confusing the reader is to make them ask QUESTIONS. But it never gives you an answer, anymore than Verge gives Jacen one.

You just get a lot of contradictory bits of philosophy, and people tend to pick and choose what they think was meant or what they like themselves, or what they think is logical, or is common sense, or one of a dozen other criteria, and come up with a philosophy based on what they accept or believe in.

But ultimately there’s so many, (often contradictory), statements, that you can derive a dozen different philosophies, each with a couple of hundred subtle variations from the statements. The only reason so many people agree on what the philosophy is, is because they assume Verge mostly told the truth to Jacen. Considering how much she lied to and manipulated the Vong and the GA/NR I see no reason to believe she was being any more truthful with him than she was with the others. Everything she does is a carefully planned plot.

Similar situation with the One Sith/Lumiya thing.

Do I believe she was really part of Krayt's One Sith, then allied herself with Lumiya. Yes.

Do I believe she was actually a Sith? No.

IMHO she just manipulated them to do her bidding for some really obscure reasons.

As far as I’m concerned nothing she does can be taken at face value or trusted.

The purpose of the whole book though is to confuse the reader, make them ask questions, and help them understand Jacen's position by ultimately putting them through the same experience he went through, leaving you with the same confused questioning nature at the end.


To borrow a B5 quote.


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They say Palpatine moves in mysterious ways.

Maybe so, but he's a conman compared to the Verge.

 

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nancyallen  1674 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 3:20pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
rumsmuggler posted:
Can you send a copy of that because I didn't see the actual killing in my ROTS dvd. I know it happened but I want to see it for myself tongue


You'd know the scene where Anakin is with the Younglings, right? This part doesn't actually show it but I think Obi Wan sees him killing them on the security footage. Battlefront I think was going to have a scene where you did this as well, I remember hearing about how bad that would be.

I'd have to say Palpatine's orchestration and execution of his plan would be the most evil act, as he basically brought it to the entire galaxy, and under his rule there was Imperial sanctioned slaughter of colonies, in fact their modus operandi was to have Stormtroopers prove their loyalty by wiping out women, children, families.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10329 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 3:34pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars? - Date Edited: 4/22/08 3:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
One of the games has a (PG-rated) cutscene that means to show Anakin killing the younglings.
But, like I said, PG-rated, no blood or anything like that. They just go down like someone tripped them.

 

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Havac  14251 posts
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Date Posted: 4/22/08 3:53pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Darth_Carl99 posted:
Havac posted:
I couldn't disagree more. To dismiss Traitor as a substanceless exercise in mind-blowing is to do it a colossal disservice. There's a very cohesive philosophy presented.


I think your misunderstanding me.

The entire point of confusing the reader is to make them ask QUESTIONS. But it never gives you an answer, anymore than Verge gives Jacen one.

You just get a lot of contradictory bits of philosophy, and people tend to pick and choose what they think was meant or what they like themselves, or what they think is logical, or is common sense, or one of a dozen other criteria, and come up with a philosophy based on what they accept or believe in.

But ultimately there’s so many, (often contradictory), statements, that you can derive a dozen different philosophies, each with a couple of hundred subtle variations from the statements. The only reason so many people agree on what the philosophy is, is because they assume Verge mostly told the truth to Jacen. Considering how much she lied to and manipulated the Vong and the GA/NR I see no reason to believe she was being any more truthful with him than she was with the others. Everything she does is a carefully planned plot.

Similar situation with the One Sith/Lumiya thing.

Do I believe she was really part of Krayt's One Sith, then allied herself with Lumiya. Yes.

Do I believe she was actually a Sith? No.

IMHO she just manipulated them to do her bidding for some really obscure reasons.

As far as I’m concerned nothing she does can be taken at face value or trusted.

The purpose of the whole book though is to confuse the reader, make them ask questions, and help them understand Jacen's position by ultimately putting them through the same experience he went through, leaving you with the same confused questioning nature at the end.


To borrow a B5 quote.


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They say Palpatine moves in mysterious ways.

Maybe so, but he's a conman compared to the Verge.



I don't agree. I think it does provide a set of answers, a very clear set. Meet the universe with love. The dark side is within you. Avoiding the dark comes from understanding your emotions, not walling them off. One with power must accept responsibility. Again, I think that to conclude, "Oh, it's just a jumble of stuff and none of it makes sense" is a disservice to the book and isn't the result of a very close reading.

 

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