Author Topic: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Froggy22651  321 posts
Registered: Jul '05
44324_Kyle Katarn
Date Posted: 4/23/08 9:18am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
I could easily point to the destruction of Alderaan or Order 66 or Anakin's murder of children or any other number of great, dramatic atrocities as a demonstration of the most bone-chilling evil in Star Wars, but I can't say those are the worst. Those are merely a symptom of a far greater evil.

I think the most evil act we've seen is the passive submission of the senate to Palpatine's will. It's not a very visual evil. It's a much quieter, insidious evil. It's an evil caused by fear or greed or apathy. It's an evil perpetrated by everyone not through malicious intent but through inaction. It's a form of moral cowardice. The most horrifying part of it all, too, is that it's perfectly understandable.

Ultimately, Palpatine never seized power; it was given to him.

 

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Earthknight  3629 posts
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Date Posted: 4/23/08 6:26pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Jabba feeding that hot Twi Lek girl to the Rancor. No words can describe how evil that act is. Killing off hot girls like that. Jabba should be ashamed shame_on_you .

 

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Manisphere  2879 posts
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Date Posted: 4/23/08 6:42pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Adding Jabba to A New Hope!!

 

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MercenaryAce  2766 posts
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Date Posted: 4/24/08 8:33am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
How about that one guy who bought and ate slaves just to prove that he could.

 

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Master_Keralys  6378 posts
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Date Posted: 4/24/08 9:40am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars? - Date Edited: 4/24/08 9:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: Master_Keralys
Technically, Manisphere, the real evil was deleting Jabba in the first place. wink

Charles, honestly, you do realize that your position doesn't make any sense? Not to mention, there's nothing to support your view even in the original text from the JAT? Nowhere does it specify that Carida was a purely military world; nor does it specify that there were no innocents. The fact that it's noted as an "Academy world" doesn't say anything about whether or not others live there.

In other news, let's stay on topic: this is about in-universe acts of evil - not your pet peeve about authors' choices. You're welcome to go where you like regarding the topic of evil in-universe, but keep it IU for this thread please.

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 4/24/08 11:20am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Well I'd argue further but the Mods said elsewise, anyone wants to know more they can start a new topic on the subject. I won't.

Evil Acts of Star Wars would include the destruction of Coruscant via slavery by the Vong.

 

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Robal_Krahl  9404 posts
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49122_Ulic Qel-Droma (83109)
Date Posted: 4/24/08 2:34pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
I'd have to go with the destruction of Alderaan. An entire planet, millions (or billions) of beings vaporized... and for what? There wasn't even an attempt to justify it by Tarkin; the whole thing was to test how powerful his new toy was.

The Vong believed it was what their gods wanted, so they had a religious reason for their behavior.
Anakin killed the younglings because, as Jedi, they'd be a "potential threat to the Empire, and peace."
Kyp Durron destroyed Carida in a fit of vengeance against the Empire.

But here's Tarkin, looking at a planet and thinking "Heyyyyy... let's see if I can blow it up grin " What makes it worse is that Alderaan was a pacifistic planet; unarmed, and vying for peace. It wasn't even a military target. Tarkin casually ordered the death of an entire planet without batting an eye. In my opinion, apathetic attitudes towards massive loss of life rates higher on the evil scale than a religious crusade, or a fit of vengeance.

 

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Darth_Garak  430 posts
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Date Posted: 4/24/08 2:39pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
What and Caamas was a fertile place for dissent? They were as pacifistic (if not more so) than the Aldeeranians, but they got bombed into near extincion. Even sicker is that the largest camp for Caamas refugees was on Alderaan. It's like Tarking thought "Oh they weren't home when we turned it slag and so they missed that party. Well no problem they can blow up along with Alderaan" ... or maybe he didn't even care (very likely actually).

 

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Robal_Krahl  9404 posts
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49122_Ulic Qel-Droma (83109)
Date Posted: 4/24/08 2:50pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Darth_Garak posted:
What and Caamas was a fertile place for dissent? They were as pacifistic (if not more so) than the Aldeeranians, but they got bombed into near extincion. Even sicker is that the largest camp for Caamas refugees was on Alderaan. It's like Tarking thought "Oh they weren't home when we turned it slag and so they missed that party. Well no problem they can blow up along with Alderaan" ... or maybe he didn't even care (very likely actually).


Caamas was an example. After Caamas, the Caamasi were seen as refugees to be pitied, correct? Therefore, Tarkin's destruction of the Caamasi refugee camp is even more heartless than the actual destruction of Caamas. Essentially, he kicked them while they were down. That'd be like walking up to a home for New Orleans refugees and burning it down. It's bad enough to pick on a group of people... but it's even worse when that group has nothing, and you blow them to hell anyway.

Caamas had peaceful protests against the Empire, but the Empire itself didn't see it that way. They chose to see a threat, and "punished" the Caamasi for being so bold. Alderaan didn't even get that. All Alderaan got was "hey, let's see what this can do." No "revenge," no "punishment." Just an apathetic "fire away, boys."

What happened on Caamas was evil, make no mistake. I just think Alderaan is higher on the evil scale.

 

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Charlemagne19  26812 posts
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Date Posted: 4/24/08 3:19pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Darth_Garak posted:
What and Caamas was a fertile place for dissent? They were as pacifistic (if not more so) than the Aldeeranians, but they got bombed into near extincion. Even sicker is that the largest camp for Caamas refugees was on Alderaan. It's like Tarking thought "Oh they weren't home when we turned it slag and so they missed that party. Well no problem they can blow up along with Alderaan" ... or maybe he didn't even care (very likely actually).


Actually, Tarkin was correct. Alderaan and Caamas were both enemies of the Empire. They need to build a militant and highly nationalist society. What greater threat to the Empire exists than functioning pacifist states?

 

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Callina  141 posts
Registered: May '05
Date Posted: 4/24/08 9:57pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Froggy22651 posted:
I could easily point to the destruction of Alderaan or Order 66 or Anakin's murder of children or any other number of great, dramatic atrocities as a demonstration of the most bone-chilling evil in Star Wars, but I can't say those are the worst. Those are merely a symptom of a far greater evil.

I think the most evil act we've seen is the passive submission of the senate to Palpatine's will. It's not a very visual evil. It's a much quieter, insidious evil. It's an evil caused by fear or greed or apathy. It's an evil perpetrated by everyone not through malicious intent but through inaction. It's a form of moral cowardice. The most horrifying part of it all, too, is that it's perfectly understandable.


That's an interesting thought. I had never really thought of the Senators as evil - just as fools and cowards. And utterly worthless. I understood why Palpatine let them hang around for twenty years. Palpatine paid a compliment to the Jedi by slaughtering them as a prerequisite to establishing his regime - finally giving an example of a compliment that can't be enjoyed.

 

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Registered: Apr '08
Date Posted: 4/24/08 10:45pm Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Charlemagne19 posted:
Darth_Garak posted:
What and Caamas was a fertile place for dissent? They were as pacifistic (if not more so) than the Aldeeranians, but they got bombed into near extincion. Even sicker is that the largest camp for Caamas refugees was on Alderaan. It's like Tarking thought "Oh they weren't home when we turned it slag and so they missed that party. Well no problem they can blow up along with Alderaan" ... or maybe he didn't even care (very likely actually).


Actually, Tarkin was correct. Alderaan and Caamas were both enemies of the Empire. They need to build a militant and highly nationalist society. What greater threat to the Empire exists than functioning pacifist states?



A non-pacifist, aggressive state?
A state not recognizing leadership?

The Empire could have done more in the Outer Rim than blowing up a peaceful planet.

 

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Darky5K  150 posts
Registered: Mar '08
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Date Posted: 4/25/08 3:00am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Forgot the planet and the book, but the world where Palpatine had commissioned an actual concentration camp for non-aliens to be experimented on in the same fashion Mengele did to the Nazi prisoners. Boba Fett killed the doctor and saved the prisoners.

Palpatine's Project Chubar and Operation Minefield.

Darth Vader's biological weapons on Falleen and the aftermath.

Gog's Project Starscream, especially Eppon and the genocide of Kiva.

Building a Super Star Destroyer under Galactic City. That's cold, and smart.

All the slavery, on Kessel, the Maw, Kashyyyk, Utapau, etc. Byss especially, where Palpatine fed off of the prisoners.

Alderaan and Despayre's destruction.

Blockade and starvation of worlds like Ralltiir, Skako, etc, Massacres of Korunnai and Caamasi of any and all worlds with Force-sensitive populations, pro-Jedi populations and founders of the Old Republic and CIS worlds.

Forgot the planet name, but Palpatine used the Dark Side to drive the planet's inhabitants insane and forced everyone to kill each other until the planet was barren for his entertainment. That's VERY cold.

Order 66, such an emotional scene and sad to see the heroes who fought to save the universe get betrayed by those they fought alongside with.

Ghorman Massacre. I mean, Tarkin just LANDS a Star Destroyer on hundreds of protestors and doesn't care.

 

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Jedimarine  4888 posts
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Date Posted: 4/25/08 8:13am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Carnage04 posted:

The Empire's treatment of the Noghri.



Totally agree.

But you're right, peoples opinion of evil are very different.

Personally, I find the more abusive and manipulative corruptions of life to be more "evil" then the killing, even on a planetary scale.

Imagine how many souls over the years have suffered "entechment"...they didn't die, just were forcibly and by all accounts brutally extracted from their bodies and served as "slave" consciousnesses in machines...death would be prayed for.

Another to add would be Vong-forming...especially in the prolonged stages when it literally transformed intelligent beings with thoughts into mindless beasts of burden and fodder.

The alchemic experiments on the Sith species...the Massassi.

Heck...let's not forget the Krytos Virus...it lead to death, but certainly not gently.

Another prolonged death...The Night Cloak...I think that one get's dismissed because we didn't really get to see it in effect...but used to it's full extent...awful and just "overly" cruel in it's "inefficiency".

 

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snooty30 
Registered: Dec '05
Date Posted: 4/25/08 8:39am Subject: RE: What is the most evil act in all of Star Wars?
Not sure if it's been mentioned already... I always though Bane's killing of the Kids & Father at the start of Jedi vs Sith. That one always get me...

 

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