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SuperWatto
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4/29 3:22pm
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How to get from Ben to Kol
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A very un-Wattoesque topic, but here goes.
Let's see:
Ben Skywalker.
Born: 26.5ABY.
Kol Skywalker.
Born: ?
War in 127ABY, and Kol is - from the looks of it - about... 27?
So that would mean Kol was born in 100ABY. When Ben woulda been 74... I think we can safely rule out that he's the dad.
I'm going to try to do a simple sum. A generic generation is twenty years... But in Star Wars, 1000 is the new 12, so let's make it into 30. I know, Luke was even older than that... Oh yeah, and so was Han... Okay: let's make it into 40.
So let's assume Ben gets a kid at forty. Kid would be born in 66ABY. Kid gets a kid at 40. The kid's kid would be Kol!
Does that sound about right, and more importantly: can anybody make this hack job of an estimation into something better? Because, you know... I'm curious.
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Ulicus
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I'm pretty sure Kol's supposed to be in his late thirties/early forties in 130 ABY. His face is... quite a bit too craggy to be in his twenties, IMO.
I mean, given the Mara-genes and the wonderful medical care of the GFFA, he could be as old as fifty. 
But, yeah, I think most folks figure him to be Ben's grandson.
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ZanderSolo
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4/29 3:27pm
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I was under the impression Kol was in his Late 30's/Early 40's when the war took him.
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SuperWatto
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4/29 3:28pm
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That would make the case more solid, then.
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4/29 3:40pm
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Personally I feel 20 is rather young for people like the Skywalkers. The leaders of galactic organisations and high flying individuals from famous families who have all the eyes in the galaxy staring at them and are expected to do something important aren't in my eyes representative of what is average. Or, to look at it from another point of view: there's a reason Cade ran away for a normal life.
Even in real life, the age most women choose to have children is slowly going up with the idea of a woman's place being in the home being an outdated concept and most instead choosing to have their own careers. I emphasise the word 'choose' because when people have kids under 20 it isn't usually because they've planned it, but because they forgot a condom. In a galaxy where contraception probably isn't an issue anymore, I daresay there would be far less teenage pregnancies, which means less exceptionally young parents to bring the average down. Things generally seem to be rather polarised with people either having children young and often ending up single parents or else choosing to put their careers first, often putting kids off until their 30s or 40s. National averages are always going to be influenced by, well, what is average. And average does not mean rich and famous. That aside, even in real life, I would have expected it to be more late 20s, putting the average generation closer to 25 or 30 years?
Anyway, in the Skywalker's case, I would put them in the list of people who put their careers first. They've got the galaxy's eyes on them, their choice of partner is likely to be as public a matter as Prince William's choice of girlfriend. So, generally speaking, I'd be incredibly surprised if a Skywalker had children young. I find it much more likely they'd be having them well above the national average.
If Ben doesn't have kids until his 40s I wouldn't be surprised and I really wouldn't mind if he even waited until his 50s. If his life remains as hectic and distressing as it has been so far, then I don't necessarily see him wanting to settle down anytime soon.
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Rouge77
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4/29 3:42pm
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I would prefer Ben being Kol's father. It's not farfetched. If Kol would have been 45 when he died, Ben would have been 59 when Kol was born. No need for another generation between them. Kol could also be an only child. Adding one more generation between them would just create characters whose only function would probably be to die behind the scenes in the Sith-Imperial War or in the Ossus massacre.
Ben doesn't need kids in the immediate future for story purposes, as there should be many of those coming in the near future from another source. Jaina and her paramour will produce a bunch of Felspawns that can be used to give younger readers characters that they can identify with and there's also Allana. Just create enough Felspawns that there are few extra for the necessary shock deaths and falls to the Dark Side.
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Ben/Tahiri---->Kol's father. That's right I think the parents of Kol's father are Ben and Tahiri.
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SuperWatto
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Wait a minute Rouge... You say 59 is not far-fetched, and you support that with story purposes for what young readers want?
Is the GFFA really only comprised the way it is so that young readers can at all times, in any era, have a choice of people they identify with... in the Skywalker line?
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Rouge77
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4/29 3:57pm
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SuperWatto posted:
Wait a minute Rouge... You say 59 is not far-fetched, and you support that with story purposes for what young readers want?
59 is not farfetched, yes, but I didn't intend to support it with a claim about what young readers want, I just wanted to say that Ben doesn't have to be the character who produces new young characters in the immediate future for young readers to identify with. These can come from other sources. But one real life example to support the claim: John Major's - that epitome of dullness' - father was 66 years old when John Major was born.
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Is the GFFA really only comprised the way it is so that young readers can at all times, in any era, have a choice of people they identify with... in the Skywalker line?
Yes. That's why we have to endure the endless coming-of-age plots with new young characters quite often, and that's why Ben has had so big a role in LotF. There's no logical reason why a 13-14 year old child would otherwise have a role that would better fit a character several years older, in late teens, than Ben is in LotF.
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SuperWatto
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Okay, I'll grant you all that, but at the same time: all of that would still work if there was a guy inbetween.
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True.
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I think fans are trying a little too hard to make Legacy the IMMEDIATE sequel to LOTF.
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I think Kol was in his fifties when he died which means that Ben was either a old father and is the father of Kol or was a young father and is the grandfather of Kol? 
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Charlemagne19 posted:
I think fans are trying a little too hard to make Legacy the IMMEDIATE sequel to LOTF.
True. After all, Legacy was made to be a direct sequel to NJO. DN and LotF just came in between NJO and Legacy after they had already started to plan Legacy.
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Emperor_Time posted:
I think Kol was in his fifties when he died which means that Ben was either a old father and is the father of Kol or was a young father and is the grandfather of Kol?
There's a gap of 90 years between the births of Ben and Cade, which is just about perfect for Ben to be Kol's grandfather.
Ben Skywalker born 26 ABY
(Insert Name) Skywalker born circa 56 ABY
Kol Skywalker born circa 86 ABY
Cade Skywalker born 116 ABY
It could work to make Ben either Kol's father or great-grandfather, but it's most clean to assume one lost generation.
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Emperor_Time
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dizfactor posted:
Emperor_Time posted:
I think Kol was in his fifties when he died which means that Ben was either a old father and is the father of Kol or was a young father and is the grandfather of Kol?
There's a gap of 90 years between the births of Ben and Cade, which is just about perfect for Ben to be Kol's grandfather.
Ben Skywalker born 26 ABY
(Insert Name) Skywalker born circa 56 ABY
Kol Skywalker born circa 86 ABY
Cade Skywalker born 116 ABY
It could work to make Ben either Kol's father or great-grandfather, but it's most clean to assume one lost generation.
I see but I think it more like this:
Ben Skywalker born 26 ABY
(Insert Name) Skywalker born circa 51 ABY
Kol Skywalker born circa 76 ABY
Cade Skywalker born 116 ABY
Or possibly this:
Ben Skywalker born 26 ABY
Kol Skywalker born circa 71 ABY
Cade Skywalker born 116 ABY
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