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Isbeth
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I really enjoyed this book, but made the mistake of following the chronology listed in the Dell novels and read it before the Jedi Academy Trilogy. I really liked bothI Jedi and the trilogy, but it would have been more enjoyable if I had read I Jedi after I read the Jedi Academy Trilogy. Otherwise it was good, but seemed to take too much of it from the trilogy. I wish there would be some way of warning new readers not to do this, because I think it flows better and makes better sense reading it after the trilogy
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I ended up going to look up the publishing dates because there was enough subtle foreshadowing of those events and Luke and Mara's eventual romantic involvement that I wondered if it had been published after HoT. It was actually published in the middle, and knowing how much Zahn and Stackpole like to interact and use each other's characters I wouldn't be surprised if Stackpole was making an effort to link up with HoT.
Yes, Zahn and Stackpole did work closely together to be sure that the HoT and I, Jedi matched up. They thought of them as almost a trilogy even though I, Jedi took place a lot earlier chronologically. 
If it helps - my take on the duel was that Luke was definintely not himself there. If it had been a real life-or-death fight, I'm sure he would have won anyway. On some level, I think Luke just wasn't trying.
That's exactly what Stackpole said in that little chat I had with him. He said that Luke wasn't in the fight; he was distracted and wasn't trying. He said that if Luke HAD been trying, Luke would have mopped the floor with Corran, and that Corran knew that... But I still can't say that I liked that duel.
Incidentally, I love the ending. Corran (and Mirax!) gets his moment to shine and be the hero by beating the student of the one who killed his grandfather,
I liked it too.
It's a good example of how to keep Luke at his appropriate and impressive skill level while not having him rush in to save the day preventing other people from getting the chance to save the day too.
I think as you read more of the Bantam books again, you'll come to realize that Luke doesn't get to "save the day" as often as many people seem to think he does. There are plenty of other heroes as well.
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Corusca_One posted:
They were legends because of their actions, and because of what they gave to the Order and the Galaxy it protects. Personally I consider this to mean people like Obi Wan and Zayne Carrick.
A little off topic but just to say, I completely agree, though I'd add Qui-Gon in there too. I think that Qui-Gon Jinn and Zayne Carrick are probably the two people I think epitomise what it is to be a Jedi - though this book is right up there too!
Isbeth posted:
I really enjoyed this book, but made the mistake of following the chronology listed in the Dell novels and read it before the Jedi Academy Trilogy. I really liked bothI Jedi and the trilogy, but it would have been more enjoyable if I had read I Jedi after I read the Jedi Academy Trilogy. Otherwise it was good, but seemed to take too much of it from the trilogy. I wish there would be some way of warning new readers not to do this, because I think it flows better and makes better sense reading it after the trilogy
Welcome to the thread and yes, I think you have a very valid point. As an addendum to the JAT, it works excellently, but if you get the story instead of the JAT, it works well enough - and personally since I have already read the JAT and know its epicness, I prefer to read I, Jedi to "rehear" it - but I imagine if you get only I, Jedi it can make the story of Exar Kun in JAT seem a little anticlimactic since the whole major huge threat of the book trilogy is something dealt with almost as a side-quest to the main story in the first half of another book.
Either way, interesting perspective and one I hadn't thought of.
I suppose they would like this book as coming before JAT since the first, like, chapter occurs before it, but since so much of it extends beyond the JAT I always put it right after the JAT in the chronology in my head. 
ChildOfWinds posted:
Yes, Zahn and Stackpole did work closely together to be sure that the HoT and I, Jedi matched up. They thought of them as almost a trilogy even though I, Jedi took place a lot earlier chronologically.
Oh, awesome - I wasn't aware they were working so closely as to regard it as a trilogy. That's really neat!
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That's exactly what Stackpole said in that little chat I had with him. He said that Luke wasn't in the fight; he was distracted and wasn't trying. He said that if Luke HAD been trying, Luke would have mopped the floor with Corran, and that Corran knew that... But I still can't say that I liked that duel.
Fair enough 
But it's still nice to hear it "from the horse's mouth" so thanks for passing along the info 
ChildOfWinds posted:
I think as you read more of the Bantam books again, you'll come to realize that Luke doesn't get to "save the day" as often as many people seem to think he does. There are plenty of other heroes as well.
You may well be right. I was just realising the other day that it's been ten years since I read most of them and I've forgotten an awful lot. Having said that, it's still a great example of an ending that both manages to impress upon us quite how awesome Luke Skywalker is, while still giving Corran a chance to shine. It's something I think a lot of authors struggle with - handling Luke well without literally putting him somewhere else resolving a different final conflict (also a technique with merit).
Anyway - this book has definitely whetted my appetite regarding revisiting the Bantam era.
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So, when did Corran and Kyle have a falling out, and why?
Discuss.
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Did they? Did that happen in LOTF?
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It's a joke about the fact that Corran apparently made friends with Kyle while in the Praxeum, and yet there's no mention of Kyle at all in the book (because, of course, at the point it was written, Kyle had never yet been put in the initial class).
Personally, I just wish they'd lay out the whole class of twelve.
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I loved the insight we got into the way Wedge and Tycho go about there flying while in combat. (When Corran was flying for the Invids)
We know that the Force assists the Jedi while flying in combat  but what about the non Jedi elites like Wedge, Tycho and Fel?  What made them so good? We knew they were legendary pilots but we never had the POV of a Jedi who was flying against them in combat before, until now.
I just thought it was interesting to get into the mind of an elite pilot who doesn't use the force. Go Rogues!
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When I was getting back into the EU earlier this decade (after Peter David's Legions of Fire B5 trilogy floored me and got my interest back into spin-off novels) and catching up on books I had missed, I started off with the Hand of Thrawn duology, followed by I, Jedi.
It wasn't until a few years ago when a Stackpole interview (probably on the Forcecast) pointed out that he and Zahn had designed it to be a psuedo-trilogy of sorts, that it dawned on me one reason why that pairing was such an effective reintroduction to the SW universe.
IJ also had the added bonus of refreshing my memory of key Bantam elements such as X-Wing and JAT, so it really was just a great choice.
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Yeah, I really loved seeing how incredibly mind-blowingly awesome Tycho is. That moment of "I've got the Force but oh god oh god oh god he is soooooo far above my level" was a great way to remind us that while Corran's good, he's not perfect, and it's Wedge and Tycho who are the real gods of the cockpit.
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Havac posted:
Yeah, I really loved seeing how incredibly mind-blowingly awesome Tycho is. That moment of "I've got the Force but oh god oh god oh god he is soooooo far above my level" was a great way to remind us that while Corran's good, he's not perfect, and it's Wedge and Tycho who are the real gods of the cockpit.
With Hobbie and Janson being the demi-gods?
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Correct.
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Don't forget Lt Ketch
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Ketch is an idol you bow before when praying to the gods and demi-gods of the cockpit.
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Havac posted:
Yeah, I really loved seeing how incredibly mind-blowingly awesome Tycho is. That moment of "I've got the Force but oh god oh god oh god he is soooooo far above my level" was a great way to remind us that while Corran's good, he's not perfect, and it's Wedge and Tycho who are the real gods of the cockpit.
Yeah, I loved the description of slow minds vs. quick minds vs. incredibly, unbelievably light speed minds Corran gives us. Made me wish I had a mind like that.
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The2ndQuest posted:
Ketch is an idol you bow before when praying to the gods and demi-gods of the cockpit.
That was FREAKING SWEET, but Kettch, Wes, Hobbie, Tycho, and Wedge don't compare to THE HAT!
Havac posted:
It's a joke about the fact that Corran apparently made friends with Kyle while in the Praxeum, and yet there's no mention of Kyle at all in the book (because, of course, at the point it was written, Kyle had never yet been put in the initial class).
Personally, I just wish they'd lay out the whole class of twelve.
I agree that they should establish who else was in the initial class of twelve. After counting those who have been confirmed, and not including Kyp, Mara, or Cilghal, that leaves three unknowns. I know the Wookiepedia says Madurrin was involved, but she only mentioned briefly in the NJO, so there's not much known about her.
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