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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/4 3:53pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	Overall, I'd have to say that the most interesting thing about this story for me is the fact that Corran Horn is shown to have such a very little idea about what being a Jedi is all about. Child of Winds, in the SOS thread, talked about how Luke needed someone to keep him grounded. Instead, I'd argue the biggest fault that Corran has is that he's unable to think like a Jedi. First and foremost, they're a religious order while Corran thinks of it as a soldier organization like Rogue Squadron. No one apparently told him "Wars do not make one great." The Jedi Academy bits were problematic to me, in part, because we saw a little too much of Michael Stackpole's retconning. I think that MJS's retconning actually undermined Exar Kun to some degree because he appeared less as a mysterious force and more as just an embodiment of Skeletor cartoonish evil. Kevin J. Anderson's Exar Kun was one of the most believable and interesting of Sith because his motivations were simple but understandable. Power, Knowledge, fame, adoration, and being beloved by everyone else around him when he was otherwise doomed to a life of obscurity as Master Vodo's disliked pupil. They were naked temptations to evil but they were the kind of things that motivated Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Napoleon to attempt to conquer the world rather than anything more prosiac or esoteric. In Corran's case, Exar Kun just comes off as more an anthromorphized Voicebox to the Dark Side. But let's move beyond the Jedi Academy for a bit and I'd like to compliment Michael Stackpole in a villain that almost makes up for Exar Kun's hamfisted "Temptation" scene where he offers Corran Mirax and Tavira as a sexual prize. Moff Tavira is really a wonderful villain and one that I'm glad was introduced. The enjoyable parts of Moff Tavira, aside from the fact that she's one of the few sexually aware characters in Star Wars by that point, is the fact that she's a villainess that works on a smaller level than your typical world conquering despots. Moff Tavira is just a pirate but prevents as viable a menace to our heroes as someone like Admiral Daala or Darth Caedus because she's an immediate and physical threat. It's amazing also you can have a sexy character like Tavira without making them scantilly clad bimbos or ridiculously hyped up. I for one was grateful Stackpole made a sexualized female character who was short, brown haired, and cute. Good job. I also appreciated that there were numerous RPG references. The Harmzuay, Jacob Nive, and the other Pirates are all from Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Rim. Frankly, I was half expecting Corwin Shelvay to show up at some point. General Cracken is also the author (in universe) or several fun RPG supplements such as Cracken's Rebel Field Guide and Wanted by Cracken. I'm glad we never saw her killed but I was annoyed Moff Tavira's story was never resolved in the EU. Maybe she could become Chief of State! -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 5/4 3:57pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	Charlemagne19 posted: I'm glad we never saw her killed but I was annoyed Moff Tavira's story was never resolved in the EU. Maybe she could become Chief of State! Dude, awesome, I totally forgot about her. She can be the Minister of Piracy. -----signature----- Taung > Mando'ade
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WraithLead Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/4 4:50pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	i hate joining discussions late, cause i always feel like i missed something. but as i go back and read all the posts, i'll say a little. i really enjoyed the first person perspective. I thought it added a lot to the book since it was dealing with a minor character to me. I was going on a long flight to europe, and I bought spectre of the past, and my brother bought I, Jedi. they were the first star wars books for either of us, and vision of the future was not out yet. for me, having corran be in first person as he was introduced to me as a character was a nice touch. the story telling was good for me as well. okay, i'm off to read the rest of the thread now, lol. -----signature----- "I want a lawyer...I want a doctor...I want a cheese sandwich!!!" \| "Now that's funny, Haha...Owww!!!"
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FloridianRogue Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 5/4 4:58pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi! - Date Edited: 5/4 8:17pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Havac
	Seems a bit off-topic.
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Fettster Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/4 6:39pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	To clarify for those who don't know, Tavira was actually introduced in the X-Wing Rogue Squadron comic series of yore. Though where she is in this book seemed a natural enough extension from there, if I'm remembering correctly. <_< I should go reread those, see how they affect my perspective on this villain. And yeah, shame we never saw her again...yet.
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 5/4 6:59pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	I'd like to see Leonia come back. she was so... delicious. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 5/4 7:16pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	I wish we could have a tale where the New Republic could get to sic the Lusankya on her, that'd be fun. And we rarely get to see the New Republic use Super Star Destroyers anyway. During the BFC, they said all the big dreadnoughts were gone (retconned to be out of commission at the time, I think), not sure how often Guardian has shown up, and the main Star Defender picture comes from a model box, which shows how much has been done with it. And I still remember Tavira from the old X-wing comics, from the original TPBs and the more recent omnibuses. Damn, she was annoying, but competent. Damn, I wish they could've blown her up good, but oh well,her days were numbered anyway, the only thing distinguishing her from any other random warlord of the day was the Jensaarai's Force powers helping her. Or she could show up more recently, its not like they haven't dug up random villains for big plots. Maybe now she'll be a military genius. And at least Corran's still somewhat prominent and hasn't lost his wife or anything in the meantime. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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JediHobbit Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 5/5 7:32am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	First off, I’d just like to thank the Lit. Mod Squad and beccatoria once again for coming up with the idea for and hosting this. I think it’s a fantastic way to bring back into focus some of the older, less “popular” books, as well as let us really sink our teeth into analyzing what works and what doesn’t work in the books. While I’m sure there will be an aspect of “Book Reviews” in these threads, I’m very much looking more forward to some in-depth discussion on the material. All that being said, I’m not finished with the book yet. I'm at the part where Corran gets inserted onto Corellia My only explanation is that I didn’t start the book as early as I should have, and that my week had been much busier than expected. My roommates are got married on Saturday, so needless to say, things have been hectic. Also, I’ve been taking notes while reading, so I’ve got stuff to say about every chapter and it will take a while to say everything I want to. I’ll make sure to break up my posts to cover only a couple of chapters each time, but I'm going to get fairly in-depth. I rationalize all this by saying that it will allow me to help drag the conversation out that much longer while I finish the book. First off, while reading the Acknowledgements (which I usually do), MAS states that he wrote book in a month. A month!. That’s insane! How can this book be so good for him just throwing it together in a month? How did I never notice this before? Props to you Mr. Stackpole, because I know a number of books I’ve liked a lot less that have taken a lot longer to write. Chapter 1: First sentence, first person perspective is established, for the first time, in a major SW novel. This slapped me in the face the first time I read it, because we had never gotten this before from the galaxy far, far away. Sure, we had close third-person, allowing us to see the characters thoughts and events from their perspective, but I, Jedi is flat narrated by Corran Horn. I can’t help but think every time that I read this book that it’s as if we’re reading Corran’s memoirs. This thought also makes me entertain the idea of an imperfect narrator; maybe parts are carefully reworded by Corran to make him look the hero. But I only toy with the idea, because we all Corran wouldn’t do that. Also, within the first page, MAS has got us immersed in this world like it’s no big thing. He’s using military terminology that we’re familiar with, but easily and briefly explains it for the uninitiated. In addition, he uses nice subtle ways of describing both the galaxy and giving us insights into his character. Instead of simply describing Alakatha as a resort planet, he has it be the place where Corran and Mirax honeymooned. On top of that, we learn how they’re viewed as mid-level heroes/celebrities, because their trip and expenses are completely paid for. MAS, then quickly recounts the last couple of (GFFA) years by glossing over the major galactic events (other books/comics) in relation to how they affected him and Mirax personally. This also serves to explain why Corran hasn’t yet trained to be a Jedi over the last few years. With Mirax is established, we get introduced to one of the central themes of the book: having children and building the next generation. And while Corran’s initial apprehension to having children is treated somewhat comically (especially in regards to the media frenzy around the Solo brats), we can sympathize with his feelings because they appear genuine, as does his realization that he does, in fact, want a kid or two. Now that his character has been introduced, we get what MAS is best at: some serious snubfighter action The pirate ship Booty Full (a nod to Zahn’s ships with playful names?) comes in to attack a cruise liner and the Rogues run interference. We get to see how the Rogues get the job done, efficiently and lethally. I always think it interesting how Corran answers the challenge of a head-to-head fight with a proton torpedo. While ai don’t fault his logic in doing so, part of me has just never felt right about it. Maybe it’s just me though. And with that we get a great introduction to a great book. We get an insight into who Corran really is, and we get some top-notch action. What better way to grab the reader? -----signature----- But they won't let me dream to live or live to dream.
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spicewood Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 5/5 12:18pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	JediHobbit, good pick up on the idea of Corran as an imperfect narrator. We have seen in the X-wing series, this book, and in the DNT that Corran has quite the ego...enough of an ego to "strafe the spaceport you just left." I think that goes a long ways in coloring Corran's narration and revealing the psychological make up of our narrator. We are all imperfect narrators in our own lives. If you pay close enough attention to what anyone says when telling a story, including yourself, you can hear words change and actions slightly changed to paint the narrator in a better light. Sometimes it's more subtle in the form of an ommission, but it always intrigued me. I think that MAS consciously worked that into the story by utilizing the first person narration. In using the first person MAS shows us Corran's character as oppsed to telling us his character. The first person allows MAS to show us Corran's actions, his thought process for those actions, and his motives/rationalizations for those actions. Corran would like to believe himself as close to perfect as possible. Hell, when Corran acknowledges it, it still seems like it's another effort to portray himself as the kind of guy smart (or sufficiently moralistic) enough to call himself on it. The use of an imperfect narrator worked really well to add to MAS's characterization of Corran. Great job with this discussion group guys, especially Becca for starting it. I will try to dig up my old copy of the book so I can post more than just generalizations. All in all, there have been some excellent posts and I've enjoyed reading them. Keep it up.
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beccatoria Title: 181st Imperial Discussion Group host Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 5/5 12:49pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	Charlemagne19 posted: No one apparently told him "Wars do not make one great." Welcome to the thread! Thanks for chipping in. Also this is a really interesting observation. I hadn't thought of approaching it from that angle. While I did feel that the novel made Corran realise that simply because the Academy wasn't right for him it didn't mean Luke's failure to structure it like a military basic training camp wasn't a failure, perhaps there's something else that both Luke and Corran failed to consider. They identified that Corran had a more structured approach to things, and that that structured approach could be applied in some ways to the Academy to offer some valuable alternate skills and experiences to the candidates. Then at the end, Luke decides that the Academy has nothing to offer Corran because he's already learned self-sufficiency and to use the tools of the Force as just one more in his arsenal of abilities. But perhaps there's something to your point. It seems unlikely there was nothing for Corran to learn at the academy even if it was just patience with the mystical. He's an awesome Jedi Detective and Solider. But as you say, a Jedi's goal isn't to, necessarily, approach things logically or militarily, but to follow the will of the Force. It's interesting - at the end, when talking about not using your Force skills all the time, Corran comments that when the only tool you have is a hydrospanner, everything begins to look like it needs to be torqued. It's a great point, but maybe we can turn it back around on Corran and tell him that just because he's a police officer and warrior, doesn't mean his perceptions of how to be a Jedi should necessarily fit into those patterns too? /Devil's Advocate. Trip posted: Dude, awesome, I totally forgot about her. She can be the Minister of Piracy. OMG YES! Seriously, though, it would be very interesting to see what Tavira is up to these days. Heck, maybe she crewed with Daala in the Maw Irregular Fleet. Though somehow I doubt it... WraithLead posted: i hate joining discussions late, cause i always feel like i missed something. but as i go back and read all the posts, i'll say a little. Welcome! I know how it can be jumping in late, but I'm very glad you have. Feel free to go back and read the thread and add your comments or just keep on dropping in as and when you feel like it. I'm glad you enjoyed the first person perspective and felt like it was a good introduction to the EU. I was about to comment on how odd it must have been to have an original character as your first gateway to the EU, then I remembered that there are probably many, many more people out there who've played the KOTOR and Jedi Knight games than who who've read I, Jedi so perhaps it's not so strange after all. You just got Corran rather than Kyle, Jaden, Revan or the Exile. Nobody145 posted: wish we could have a tale where the New Republic could get to sic the Lusankya on her, that'd be fun. And we rarely get to see the New Republic use Super Star Destroyers anyway. During the BFC, they said all the big dreadnoughts were gone (retconned to be out of commission at the time, I think), not sure how often Guardian has shown up, and the main Star Defender picture comes from a model box, which shows how much has been done with it. You know, I'm an awful person for Fleet Junkie information: I couldn't tell an SD from an SSD if both of them were aimed at me, but I remember being really surprised at how affected I was by the Lusankya's destruction in the NJO and how she got the send off of a heroic character. Seeing another of her past exploits would be cool. Though if I had a single fleet junkie-esque wish I think I'd have to jump on Nick's bandwagon and demand Ackbar vs Pellaeon. gets back on topic But perhaps we can get into some more fleet junkie style discussions next month when we get into BFC? I remember that as having quite a lot of info on the topic? JediHobbit posted: First off, I’d just like to thank the Lit. Mod Squad and beccatoria once again for coming up with the idea for and hosting this. I think it’s a fantastic way to bring back into focus some of the older, less “popular” books, as well as let us really sink our teeth into analyzing what works and what doesn’t work in the books. While I’m sure there will be an aspect of “Book Reviews” in these threads, I’m very much looking more forward to some in-depth discussion on the material. All that being said, I’m not finished with the book yet. Well first off, welcome, and thank you for showing up! No worries about not being done yet - thanks for sharing the thoughts you do have, and if you're finished by the end of the month, or have any other thoughts throughout the month, just drop by! Obviously, the longer this thread remains active through May the better, but only good things can come of bumping it at a later date even if it's dropped off the front page or somesuch. I also found myself quite gripped by the first chapter and appreciated the personal touches Corran gave to his various descriptions of the universe. And, like you, I found the way that Mirax boxed him in about the kids question, and the way it was handled in the text, a nice, comical touch to the story in the first few pages. JediHobbit posted: First off, while reading the Acknowledgements (which I usually do), MAS states that he wrote book in a month. A month!. That’s insane! I totally skipped over the acknowledgements and missed that! A MONTH? Wow - that really is some fast writing especially for such a long book and - in my opinion - such a good one. Sometimes I guess the story just burns right out of you, huh? spicewood posted: Great job with this discussion group guys, especially Becca for starting it. I will try to dig up my old copy of the book so I can post more than just generalizations. All in all, there have been some excellent posts and I've enjoyed reading them. Keep it up. Thank you and welcome! Our esteemed mod Havac is the genius behind this operation, but I'm very grateful to him for letting me jump on board and oversee the general running of things, and really pleased that the thread has proven entertaining and interesting to you. And of course, I absolutely agree with your points about the imperfect narrator. I think that Corran's personality in this is a great blend of analytical - meaning that the author can describe settings and people with the same amount of detail as a third-person narrator would without it seeming out of character - and egotistical, meaning, as you note, Stackpole can play around with the story and our perceptions of Corran and do all sorts of interesting subtle things with his characterisation. I hope you enjoy flipping through your copy, and look forward to any further thoughts. -----signature----- legatus imperatoris britanniæ superior REMEMBER: DARTH MAUL: SHADOW HUNTER DISCUSSION STARTS IN NOVEMBER! Han's a girl, so I got a Golden Ewok.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 5/5 1:07pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	beccatoria posted: [You know, I'm an awful person for Fleet Junkie information: I couldn't tell an SD from an SSD if both of them were aimed at me, but I remember being really surprised at how affected I was by the Lusankya's destruction in the NJO and how she got the send off of a heroic character. Seeing another of her past exploits would be cool. Though if I had a single fleet junkie-esque wish I think I'd have to jump on Nick's bandwagon and demand Ackbar vs Pellaeon. I think a desire for Ackbar vs Pelleaon stories may be one of the few things there is a total Lit consensus on! As to the difference between SD and SSD, it's easy: One's about 10 times bigger than the other! OR watch the bit in ESB where Solo's just shot the droid, they know the Empire's located 'em, it switches to a fleet, we see a Star Destroyer looking rock hard, then it gets enshadowed. camera flips to something above it cue: What the ^&%^$ is that? Then it pans out to show a BFG Star Destroyer - that's an SSD! This educational lesson has been brought to you by the Imperial Children's TV Workshop starring the letters S, D and the number 10! -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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JediHobbit Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 5/6 4:34am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	Getting back into my in-depth analysis… Chapter 2: Not a whole lot to really say about this chapter. First a little error I never really noticed before. The cruise liner that they rescued and are escorting to Coruscant is referred to as both the Glitterstar and the Glimmerstar. Also, Corran mentions being able to see the ship flying next to the them throughout the trip while aboard Home One. This raises the question, did he mean while they made stops to make course corrections/adjustments, or are ships flying in formation able to see each other while flying in hyperspace? I never really thought about the matter before reading that sentence. Thoughts? Then we get some nice interaction between Corran and Ooryl, old friends and wingmates. Their easy conversation and banter really makes their history together fairly apparent, and it allows the reader to sort of feel the same way, especially those of us who grew with these characters in the X-wing books. Ooryl’s concern for Corran and Mirax’s issue with children also establishes their closeness. It also makes me wonder what the kriff happened to Ooryl? We don’t see him at all after this book! All he got was a mention in Onslaught. I want my kriffing Ooryl! (Back on topic) This conversation introduces the concept of having children as being part of rebuilding the galaxy after the Empire, which is further emphasized by the return to Coruscant. Corran comments on the war-torn condition of the planet, but emphasizes all the good that has come from it. Everyone (including ex-Imperials) are taking refugees into their homes, breaking down the last barriers of speciesism. Homes and lives are being rebuilt, and life will go on. And as cliché as it may be, the random baby laughing on the bus gives both Corran and the reader a feeling of hope for the future. Chapter 3: Corran’s emotional amnesia is a part of this book that I always had a bit of a problem with, primarily because I’ve never heard of something like this happening (in SW or RL) before reading the book, nor since reading the book. I know, it makes the story more dramatic and urgent, but it always just seems to separate me from the story and say “Wait, what? Can that happen?” Does anyone feel the same way about this? Corran then calls Rogue Squadron HQ to help himself figure out what’s going on. We find out that it’s abou 1:30 am Glactic Standard Time, and then we find out that Tycho has a meeting in half an hour. Who the heck has meetings at 2 am!? What kind of workaholic is he? No wonder winter is off babysitting Anakin; Tycho’s at work all hours of the day! General Cracken’s presence is a nice throw back to the X-Wing books, and their conversation about the Invids does nice job bringing in the character of Tavira and highlighting her career from the comics. On a side note, I found it somewhat funny that Cracken hooked his datapad up to the terminal with a cable. Still using USB ports General? You don’t have Bluetooth yet? Nothing big, but it made me smile because it shows that it’s an older book. They have computers, but they’re still all connected with wires. Maybe there wasn’t much in the way of wireless computer tech when the book was written. We also discover that Mirax was likely captured while doing undercover work to help bring the Invids down. Corran blames this on his conditional decision for having children. With this, we get introduced to another theme of the book: Corran blaming himself for everything until someone tells him why he is wrong. But I’ll get into that later. Chapter 4: This chapter focused on Corran’s meeting with Wedge, and in my eyes served mainly to bring into line a couple of loose threads surrounding him. His ground duty using construction droids to rebuild the planet is explained by Wedge mentioning that before he got involved in the Rebellion, he was interested in architecture. Also, he states that part of him wants to help create for a time, rather than fight and destroy. These comments really help round out Wedge as a human being, rather than just a great pilot. He did have dreams when he was younger, and part of him is trying to hold on to that. Wedge also explains why he and Iella have yet to become a serious item, setting up the inevitable “Qwi Xux Incident” that we all know is coming. It’s a part of Wedge’s life that needs explaining and can’t be avoided, so might as well tackle it head on. We get a brief cameo from Han Solo, and learn that he and Corran have never met, which seems highly unlikely, but there you have it. If nothing else, it gives us the situation in Solo Command (IIRC) that Corran and Han are never in the same room at the same time while they hunt for Zsinj, leading crew members to suspect they are each other’s alter ego. So we get some nice banter as Han learns that Corran was CorSec, and we get a nod to Corran’s father chasing after Han in the A. C. Crispin books. Chapter 5: Wedge’s offer to take Corran to see Luke has always given me a bit of an “off to see The Wizard” vibe, but it works: if Luke can’t accomplish some sort of heroic feat, there’s probably few who can. Wedge and Luke tell Corran that he’s wrong for thinking it’s his fault that Mirax put herself in danger and got captured: she’d have done it anyway to help protect him and their friends. Corran thinks it over and admits that they’re right and he’s wrong. This is another recurring theme in the novel, and one that I have mixed feelings about. On the plus side, it shows that Corran is able to listen to opinions of those closest to him and accept their advice. He’s not afraid of admitting that he’s wrong, even if he doesn’t like it. Those are both very admirable traits, I just feel like it happens to him way too often. Every other chapter in this book has Corran saying “gee, I guess you’re right. I have been thinking about it all wrong,” or “I’m going about this all wrong. This is how I should be rescuing my wife.” I’m not going to keep a running tally or anything, but I definitely feel that these “revelations” could have been reduced by one or two instances. Luke explains Corran’s emotional Mirax amnesia as “psychic flash burns” from the trauma of her being taken from him like she was. Like I said, I’m not sure how much I like this plot point, but I’ll buy the explanation. My question: is this just a Jedi thing, or could the same thing have happened Joe Schmoe too? One thing that made me laugh was Luke’s estimate that the Jedi of the Old Republic were in the hundreds, possibly in the thousands. I couldn’t help but smile that that number is way low, especially in light of the PT. But MAS was working with what he had at the time, and doesn’t fail at describing the daunting task of rebuilding the Jedi Order. Also, a comment he made about Corellian Jedi and their heritage made me wonder: Does the term “Corellian Jedi” apply to Selonians and Drall as well? Were there any Selonian and Drall Jedi? I know about the Selonian padawan from the webstrip (Zondor?), but would he be considered as being a part of that Corellian Jedi heritage? Things to think about… -----signature----- But they won't let me dream to live or live to dream.
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 5/6 5:29am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	On the psychic backlash, it might just be Corran himself that would suffer this kind of thing. Or rather Corrran's bloodline, as well... you'll probably get to that section sooner or later, but yeah, Halcyons are very good at mental stuff, but suck at telekinesis, and the Jensaarai are also pretty good at stealth techniqu, so that stealth combined with Corran's latent mental skills lead to Corran's partial emotional amnesia. I think. And yeah, that "oh, I get it now!" moments tend to go a bit overboard, but that's just one of Stackpole's trends. And on the fleet thingy- I'm not a big fleet junkie, I'm not like the ones who estimate the size of a Star Destroyed based on the scale of a TIE Fighter exiting the hangar bay or something like that. Jedi Ben's explanation works best- this is a Star Destroyer, and that giant thing blocking all light is a Super Star Destroyer. Or a Death Star, but SSDs are more common, relatively speaking. And yeah, Ackbar vs. Pellaeon would be awesome. Not sure how much Lusankya was ever used, as by the time it was up and running, the New Republic was in retreat from the reborn Emperor, and after that, there were never really any other books with big fleet battles, at least ones big enough to drag a SSD in. The BFC had lots of fleets, of course, but only the Yevethans deployed an SSD. Although having Acbkar command from a SSD would be cool, but a Mon Cal cruiser would probably be more appropiate. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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beccatoria Title: 181st Imperial Discussion Group host Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 5/7 10:43am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	Jedi Ben posted: This educational lesson has been brought to you by the Imperial Children's TV Workshop starring the letters S, D and the number 10! My keyboard isn't thanking you for he mouthful of coca cola. JediHobbit posted: Getting back into my in-depth analysis… Awesome! Chapter-by-chapter! JediHobbit posted: This raises the question, did he mean while they made stops to make course corrections/adjustments, or are ships flying in formation able to see each other while flying in hyperspace? I totally missed that! And...no, I really have no idea. I guess I'd always assumed that you couldn't see the other ships, but I suppose if they all break into the same route at the same time...you might? I suppose I assumed you couldn't because I saw the "routes" as simply trajectory/velocity calculations that worked within a certain perimeter and your hyperspace journey - those blue lines - wasn't a pre-existing "tunnel" but rather you travelling so fast from your point to the equivalent point in your destination perimeter you couldn't see what was going past clearly and even stars became a blur. So someone who started a click to your left, and would drop out of hyperspace a click to your left, would be in their own entirely enclosed "hyperspace route". But...equally, if all you're doing is travelling amazingly fast, if other ships are travelling at the exact same velocity right next to you...why shouldn't you be able to see them? It really makes more sense than my bizarre convoluted babblings above. Though this option also opens the door to all sorts of stuff we've never seen (I don't think) like fighting in hyperspace, or jumping to hyperspace after another ship to see what direction they're going in, or something. Jumping to hyperspace has always seemed like..."the magic getaway" I guess. Help us, fleet junkies! You're our only hope! JediHobbit posted: Corran’s emotional amnesia is a part of this book that I always had a bit of a problem with, primarily because I’ve never heard of something like this happening (in SW or RL) before reading the book, nor since reading the book. I know, it makes the story more dramatic and urgent, but it always just seems to separate me from the story and say “Wait, what? Can that happen?” Does anyone feel the same way about this? I was very confused about it until Luke explained it, because I'd actually completely forgotten it happened. I don't have a huge problem with it since as Nobody mentions, Corran has extremely strong mental abilities over other Force abilities, and untrained, his mind may have been reacting pre-emptively, but yes, I certainly wish the notion had either been expanded on in other books or mentioned as a specific reaction to Corran and the Halcyon line. That said, I think that it's also easy to take the opposite response and say that Corran was noticing this far more because he's far more internally perceptive than most Force Sensitives and on top of that, we're not talking simply about the shock of losing his wife, but also about, essentially, something he perceived as a psychic attack. The combination of the Force-Using Jensaarai putting Mirax into a coma, Mirax screaming for him and the Jensaarai becoming aware of him (since they keep her alive in order to summon him), Corran's mind was essentially raided in his sleep when he had naturally very strong defenses against that sort of thing. We haven't seen very many other Force Users undergo extreme mental probing at the same time as a form of bereavement so it's possible that this mental equivalent of denial is more common than we'd think just down to a set of fairly unusual circumstances? JediHobbit posted: We find out that it’s abou 1:30 am Glactic Standard Time, and then we find out that Tycho has a meeting in half an hour. Who the heck has meetings at 2 am!? Yes! I noticed that! I giggled, but figured it was the same as crazy business men who have intercontinental phone conferences where the time difference means it's at crazy hours for one of them. I figured it was less a slip and more a nice little nod to the practicalities of scheduling when you didn't just have the time zones of one planet, but thousands. JediHobbit posted: My question: is this just a Jedi thing, or could the same thing have happened Joe Schmoe too? I dealt with this a little above. My guess is that it's just a more extreme and Force-induced version of what happens to Joe Schmoe during the denial stage of grief or trauma? JediHobbit posted: Does the term “Corellian Jedi” apply to Selonians and Drall as well? Were there any Selonian and Drall Jedi? I know about the Selonian padawan from the webstrip (Zondor?), but would he be considered as being a part of that Corellian Jedi heritage? Things to think about… What a great question! Too bad I really don't have an answer. I'd like to think that they were, though, to make it less human-centric and to tie the tradition more closely to the area rather than the "Corellian" culture since generally Corellian=Corellian Human. Selonians and Drall tend to identify by their species name and planet rather than name of their system and "Main planet". Which I guess makes sense if they feel marginalised even within their home system. But still, it would be nice to see some unity on that front rather than another division. Nobody145 posted: Although having Acbkar command from a SSD would be cool, but a Mon Cal cruiser would probably be more appropiate. Well, the Lusankya could be under his command and part of the campaign but not his flagship. Historically I think there have been a few occasions when a commander didn't transfer his flag to the biggest and bestest ship but instead kept it on a smaller or older vessel for a variety of reasons ranging from tactics to nostalgia? -----signature----- legatus imperatoris britanniæ superior REMEMBER: DARTH MAUL: SHADOW HUNTER DISCUSSION STARTS IN NOVEMBER! Han's a girl, so I got a Golden Ewok.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 5/7 11:00am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: I, Jedi!
	beccatoria posted: Jedi Ben posted: This educational lesson has been brought to you by the Imperial Children's TV Workshop starring the letters S, D and the number 10! My keyboard isn't thanking you for he mouthful of coca cola. It'll recover! Was waiting for someone to get the joke! -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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