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NelanisGhost
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5/5 3:24pm
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RE: 'Legacy': Too Soon or Too Late??
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I guess, but it's still somewhat insulting because it's tying the authors hands in LUKE'S storeyline. IU, it's not that big of a deal, if you look at the world changes from 1890 to now. But the notion that life in 1923 be redirected or stopped because of events in 1997, is very annoying. It's not that the 130 years is that big, it's just ruining the stories of those still alive, in 38 ABY. It's a strange situation.
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BobaMatt
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5/5 3:25pm
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But why is that a problem? I don't really see it as anyone's hands being tied, really, as we don't know what happens in the intervening years.
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Emperor_Time
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5/5 3:29pm
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It perfect in my book. 
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Master_Keralys
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5/5 3:34pm
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NG, it's (1) not insulting and (2) doesn't tie the authors' hands at all. Could anyone possibly have foreseen the Cold War in 1850? No. Luke is capable of doing any number of outrageous things between the end of LotF and his eventual death; as are pretty much everyone else. The only real limits we have are that the Imperial Remnant is reorganized into the Second Empire sometime during the 20 years after LotF, and the GA doesn't completely dissolve (at least permanently) - that's it. What the authors choose to do is a completely different matter, of course, but there's more than enough room in there to do virtually anything.
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Jedi_Hall
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5/5 3:40pm
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NelanisGhost posted:
I guess, but it's still somewhat insulting because it's tying the authors hands in LUKE'S storeyline. IU, it's not that big of a deal, if you look at the world changes from 1890 to now. But the notion that life in 1923 be redirected or stopped because of events in 1997, is very annoying. It's not that the 130 years is that big, it's just ruining the stories of those still alive, in 38 ABY. It's a strange situation.
Well, considering how badly LoTF was handled, and how horrible the storytelling for the ending was, and how compressed everything became after Inferno, I really don't think it matters.
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DVader316
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NelanisGhost posted:
I guess, but it's still somewhat insulting because it's tying the authors hands in LUKE'S storeyline. IU, it's not that big of a deal, if you look at the world changes from 1890 to now. But the notion that life in 1923 be redirected or stopped because of events in 1997, is very annoying. It's not that the 130 years is that big, it's just ruining the stories of those still alive, in 38 ABY. It's a strange situation.
How exactly is it ruining the stories of those still alive ?
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Rouge77
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It should have been placed later than it is now. The farther from the novels, the better. 1137 ABY instead of 137 ABY would have been good.
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KnightDawg
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SuperSaiyaMan12 posted:
I'd like to see what the general opinion of the time era of the Legacy Comics is. Should it have been placed even earlier after LOTF, or later, instead of 100 years in the future to 1000 years in the future? Opinions?
It's a fun series to read, but I truly wish it never existed in the first place. I feel like it cheapens anything that happens between 40 ABY and 137 ABY because we know certain characters will not die anytime soon. If the comic series took place possibly 500 years after LOTF, then I wouldn't mind too much.
The great thing though is that the future is always in motion!!! That being said, the ENTIRE Legacy Comic can be retconned as a future that never happens.
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Rouge77
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BobaMatt posted:
Really, Legacy has proven itself to be very popular...
It could be still popular if it would happen 250 ABY or 4000 ABY. I don't think that it's popularity as such is tied to it's chronological placement in the SW timeline. And popularity isn't really the best way decide if some thing is good, it just tells that it's popular, nothing more. Quality is often quite another thing than popularity.
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Luke's Jedi have not failed, the GA is not dead, the Empire has been becoming steadily less offensive since Endor, and it can't be said that evil wins because the story's not over yet. Really, I don't buy most of the arguments against because they're not supported by the text.
I don't think your own arguments are supported by the text. Luke's Jedi are gone except for a few survivors, as far as we know. They seem to be in similar situation as OJO was in time of ANH. GA consists of one fleet. The Sith part of the Empire just decided to kill 10% of the population of Dac and enslave the rest, Fel faction has committed mass murder.
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BobaMatt
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Rouge77 posted:
Luke's Jedi are gone except for a few survivors, as far as we know. They seem to be in similar situation as OJO was in time of ANH.
Other than that we've been told otherwise by the writers?
Rouge77 posted:
GA consists of one fleet.
Not dead.
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The Sith part of the Empire just decided to kill 10% of the population of Dac and enslave the rest
Well...yes, but they're the Sith so what are we supposed to expect from them?
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Fel faction has committed mass murder.
Your insistence on harping on a single instance of the execution of traitors tends to stunt argument because you choose to ignore the entire rest of the Empire's history since Pellaeon started running the show.
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Darthbane2007
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5/5 4:28pm
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I feel that "Legacy" Was set WAY too soon. If it was set 500, or possibly even a thousand years down the timeline, I wouldn't care. But it sucks, knowing that once again, the galaxy is in turmoil, the Jedi are scattered again, and the Sith/Empire rule the galaxy yet again. And it's only been 100 years. If set in 500 or 1000 years after ANH, then you would have a lot of room to work with. Enough time for Luke & Company to retire and live in peace and happiness, for several generations of Skywalkers and Solos within the Jedi Order. Enough time for the characters and situations as we know it to pass on, and we get the next generation of Heroes and Villians to lead the way.
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Rouge77
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BobaMatt posted:
Other than that we've been told otherwise by the writers?
Except that we haven't told otherwise by the writers, as far as I know. The only thing was the mention in #8 that half of the surviving Jedi were not on Ossus in 130 ABY. We don't know their numbers then, and we don't know how many Jedi of these survive in 137 ABY. The only thing we have are the Jedi we have seen so far in the comic - of which 4, if one counts Cade as one, are alive, assuming the three survived Ossus - and the four in the cover of one of the Hidden Temple arc issues.
BobaMatt posted:
Not dead.
It's just a "Sliver of a ghost", like how Darth Vectivus' phantom described himself to Nelani Dinn in Betrayal.
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Well...yes, but they're the Sith so what are we supposed to expect from them?
It's irrelevant what we expect from them, but they control every planet in the Empire except one. Their part of the Empire is Empire to almost all inhabitants in the galaxy.
BobaMatt posted:
Your insistence on harping on a single instance of the execution of traitors tends to stunt argument because you choose to ignore the entire rest of the Empire's history since Pellaeon started running the show.
I'm not ignoring it, but I can't post spoilers. And those people weren't traitors to Fel, the ship's captain and his father for example were from GA!
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Nobody145
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Personally, I feel its a little too early, as then the GA barely lasted a century or so. I wish they could've lasted longer, but the story's of high enough quality that I don't mind. Although we have stories set 4,000 years before the OT, and those stories are still good. But yeah, in terms of Legacy, I'm sad to see the Jedi in such dire straits again (as while half might've survived, they're not exactly in good shape). But on the other hand, 500 or 1000 years in the future would probably be too far, but a few centuries of peace might've been nice.
Overall, though, the story's of such high quality, I don't mind too much.
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Random thought:
So far, we have the following published Eras: Sith, Prequel, Classic, New Republic, New Jedi Order, and Legacy. The LotF novels and the Legacy comics are both designated as part of the Legacy Era which, I assume, is a designated time frame. The comics being set when they are could be because LFL has another Era already planned post-Legacy. It may be a wild guess, but there are powers higher than Del Rel and Dark Horse involved in the planning of the EU. *shrug*
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BobaMatt
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Rouge77 posted:
BobaMatt posted:
Other than that we've been told otherwise by the writers?
Except that we haven't told otherwise by the writers, as far as I know. The only thing was the mention in #8 that half of the surviving Jedi were not on Ossus in 130 ABY. We don't know their numbers then, and we don't know how many Jedi of these survive in 137 ABY. The only thing we have are the Jedi we have seen so far in the comic - of which 4, if one counts Cade as one, are alive, assuming the three survived Ossus - and the four in the cover of one of the Hidden Temple arc issues.
I meant told by the writers, like here in the forums.
Rouge77 posted:
BobaMatt posted:
Not dead.
It's just a "Sliver of a ghost", like how Darth Vectivus' phantom described himself to Nelani Dinn in Betrayal.
The flame is still alive, and "in the heart of [darkness'] strength lies weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back." Since we can be fairly certain that the GA will win the day in the end, why are we bothering to complain about this?
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BobaMatt posted:
Well...yes, but they're the Sith so what are we supposed to expect from them?
It's irrelevant what we expect from them, but they control every planet in the Empire except one. Their part of the Empire is Empire to almost all inhabitants in the galaxy.
I remain unclear as to what your point is, though.
Rouge77 posted:
And those people weren't traitors to Fel, the ship's captain and his father for example were from GA!
No, his father used to be, and then started working for the Sith like Calixte predicted the GA governors would. The son was serving in the Imperial Navy, hence his command of an Imperial vessel. And if they were from the GA, then you're right, they wouldn't be traitors, they'd be enemy combatants masquerading as Imperials to carry out an act of war...helped by the Sith.
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