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Darky5K
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5/9 12:05am
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Dooku's eyes were never red and yellow like his fellow Sith Lords. Any explanations in the EU, or any theories why not? I've thought about this before, but I can't get an answer.
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darth_Boba
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No one really knows, but the effect seems to come and go at different times depending on the character (using Legacy as an example, Cade Skywalker's eyes only flare up when he uses his dark side healing but Darth Krayt and the rest of those Sith have them all the time). The simple answer for Dooku not having Sith eyes is that it would be an obvious giveaway to the audience that he was evil, which was something that was designed to come as a surprise. In-universe, there's probably a reason (a common theory is that the character has to actively be touching/influenced by the dark side or become really angry for it to happen), but really it's just a visual cue for the audience's benefit.
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Charlemagne19
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Darky5K posted:
Dooku's eyes were never red and yellow like his fellow Sith Lords. Any explanations in the EU, or any theories why not? I've thought about this before, but I can't get an answer.
Dooku is a pretty bad Sith Lord.
He never loses himself to the all consuming rage that others do.
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Alpha-Red
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5/9 1:49am
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Gah, don't take the yellow eyes thing seriously. Darth Maul's eyes were yellow all time....you going to make the case that this makes him a more powerful Force-user than Anakin? If you read the EU you'd know that Dooku has just as much anger as the next Sith Lord and just because he doesn't channel it outwardly in the form of yellow eyes doesn't mean anything.
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Charlemagne19
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Alpha-Red posted:
Gah, don't take the yellow eyes thing seriously. Darth Maul's eyes were yellow all time....you going to make the case that this makes him a more powerful Force-user than Anakin? If you read the EU you'd know that Dooku has just as much anger as the next Sith Lord and just because he doesn't channel it outwardly in the form of yellow eyes doesn't mean anything.
I totally disagree with the above sentiment.
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Zorrixor
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darth_Boba posted:
...but Darth Krayt and the rest of those Sith have them all the time.
Oddly enough I was rereading Broken the other day and Darth Krayt's eyes are not fiery when we first see him during the assassination of the false Emperor Fel scene. They start off a fairly dull yellow before his "Your life, Emperor Fel" moment and only then do they turn fiery for the rest of the arc.
I found that rather curious as I had never noticed it before. I presume this was both because the Sith only truly went public during that scene whereas before that Krayt had pretended to be the nice guy. Interestingly, it would mean even Krayt only has fiery eyes when he's drawing on the dark side, just because he's doing so 99% of the time we hardly ever see him without (plus its obviously for stylish reasons).
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Jmacq1
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5/9 4:24am
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Palpatine didn't have "Sith Eyes" until he got wrinklified.
Clearly it's something that can be suppressed, and has nothing to do with power levels, really. Dooku was probably perfectly capable of manifesting them...he just chose not to/held it back to keep up his "he's not such a bad guy" image.
In fact, I think a pretty good argument could be made that "yellow eyes" is the point where the Dark Side is mastering you, not the other way around.
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LastOneStanding
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Simple answer...Dooku wore contact lenses. 
I mean...if you wanted to mask the fact that you were a Sith Lord, that would be a relatively easy way to do it.
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Jedimarine
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Jmacq1 posted:
In fact, I think a pretty good argument could be made that "yellow eyes" is the point where the Dark Side is mastering you, not the other way around.
is this in regards to "in the moment" occurrences? Or all the time?
I've wondered myself if individuals who had "constant" yellow eye were really in the effect...but that their eyes were "stained" or scared by the effects of the "yellowing" on a regular, or powerful basis.
Characters like Maul or Palpatine would "yellow" up in particularly "sithy" moments...but unlike say Anakin or Dooku...they had done it so often, the damage to normal eye color was irreparable.
And I think this also plays into Dooku's take on the darkside.
Dooku was not a anger/rage type...Dooku was a cold/emotionless/unempathetic creature...he was dark...but we don't see him go off the handle...even though that is EXACTLY what he challenged Anakin to do.
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rumsmuggler
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5/9 7:34am
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LastOneStanding posted:
Simple answer...Dooku wore contact lenses.
I mean...if you wanted to mask the fact that you were a Sith Lord, that would be a relatively easy way to do it.
Damn, beat me to it.
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sabarte
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Eh, maybe Dooku's just a different sort of Sith Lord. I think that, like Kreia, being an actual Jedi Master before you fall makes a difference to your mindset.
And regardless of whether Krayt's eyes are fiery or not, they're not naturally yellow.
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Jmacq1
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Jedimarine posted:
Jmacq1 posted:
In fact, I think a pretty good argument could be made that "yellow eyes" is the point where the Dark Side is mastering you, not the other way around.
is this in regards to "in the moment" occurrences? Or all the time?
I've wondered myself if individuals who had "constant" yellow eye were really in the effect...but that their eyes were "stained" or scared by the effects of the "yellowing" on a regular, or powerful basis.
Characters like Maul or Palpatine would "yellow" up in particularly "sithy" moments...but unlike say Anakin or Dooku...they had done it so often, the damage to normal eye color was irreparable.
And I think this also plays into Dooku's take on the darkside.
Dooku was not a anger/rage type...Dooku was a cold/emotionless/unempathetic creature...he was dark...but we don't see him go off the handle...even though that is EXACTLY what he challenged Anakin to do.
A little of both (to answer your question). Anakin and Cade are both a little out of control (so to speak) when they yellow up. Maul is basically described as a seething cauldron of rage and hatred towards the Jedi in several different sources. And the moment Palpatine's eyes go perma-yellow is coincidentally the same moment where he's finally allowed to unleash all of his own hatred towards the Jedi (and the point he no longer really has to restrain himself in terms of his powers and abilities). So basically, moments where they simply "go with the flow" of the Dark Side, as it were. Where they're beyond caring about the consequences of their actions anymore.
So yeah, basically I agree with you.  On the Dooku score, as well. He'd practiced emotional detachment for 70-80 someodd years. He probably just couldn't "let go" in the manner necessary to fully unleash his own negative emotions. He was all about self-control, both as a Jedi and as a Sith Lord, it seems.
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Darky5K
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darth_Boba posted:
No one really knows, but the effect seems to come and go at different times depending on the character (using Legacy as an example, Cade Skywalker's eyes only flare up when he uses his dark side healing but Darth Krayt and the rest of those Sith have them all the time). The simple answer for Dooku not having Sith eyes is that it would be an obvious giveaway to the audience that he was evil, which was something that was designed to come as a surprise. In-universe, there's probably a reason (a common theory is that the character has to actively be touching/influenced by the dark side or become really angry for it to happen), but really it's just a visual cue for the audience's benefit.
But Palpatine's eyes were always yellow after ROTS, and Maul was the same. Vader looked to be the same way in his duel and before it. The audience knew Dooku was the bad guy, did Lucas really think we didn't know that? If he's working with Gunray and all these other guys and talking about mass destruction and building a Death Star, he can't be good.
But these are some good observations I never caught before. Interesting read.
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Jedi Ben
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I see it as a visual shorthand technique that was developed 2005/06, hence why it doesn't show up earlier.
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Dawud786
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Jedi Ben posted:
I see it as a visual shorthand technique that was developed 2005/06, hence why it doesn't show up earlier.
Huh?
Both Maul and Palpatine had them before 05/06. We don't really know about Palpatine, he could have had the eyes under his cowl any time he was Sidious... masking them when in his public persona. When the public and Sith personas became one he no longer cared to mask his jacked up eyes. I don't think Dooku was ever nearly as consumed by the dark side as other Sith in the movies. He just doesn't come off that way. He never seems to revel in his evil, in the novels his internal dialogue suggests he was convinced of the righteousness of his cause at all times. We never see him fly off the handle. Anakin Skywalker revels his the killing he's doing... the freedom to just let his pent up rage go. He enjoys a good fight, and he seems to enjoy doing what he's doing in ROTS when he's doing it. Maul is a killing machine and a fuming ball of rage and hatred. Sidious is as shifty as they come... he hid his eyes just as well as he hid his dark aura. Which is the greater feat?
It's not that Dooku's not powerful... he was thought to possibily be the Chosen One for a time... it's that he's not nearly as far gone as the others. Look how long it took Jacen's eyes to change color.
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Jedi Ben
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With Maul I put them down to being species, Palpatine we know is an evil git. It just seems it started being used more as an indication after ROTS, maybe it was used in Jedi: Dooku which places us back to 2003, but in any case, I see it as quick way of informing the reader of a character's status. Don't really see what the problem with this outlook is.
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