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darth_Boba
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Aug '02
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5/10 2:04pm
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RE: Dooku's eyes
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Darky5K posted:
The audience knew Dooku was the bad guy, did Lucas really think we didn't know that? If he's working with Gunray and all these other guys and talking about mass destruction and building a Death Star, he can't be good.
In the intro to the deleted trial scene from Episode II, Ben Burtt says "scenes like the trial made him a bad guy before we wanted to know that fact. We didn't want the evil side of Dooku to be overtly stated until the very end of the movie when he meets with the Emperor". So Dooku was supposed to be ambiguous, but marketing combined with audience expectations pretty much ruined the surprise.
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Jedi Ben
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5/10 2:14pm
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Or it could be more simple:
Christopher Lee = Great Villain
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Zorrixor
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Date Posted:
5/10 2:57pm
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darth_Boba posted:
Darky5K posted:
The audience knew Dooku was the bad guy, did Lucas really think we didn't know that? If he's working with Gunray and all these other guys and talking about mass destruction and building a Death Star, he can't be good.
In the intro to the deleted trial scene from Episode II, Ben Burtt says "scenes like the trial made him a bad guy before we wanted to know that fact. We didn't want the evil side of Dooku to be overtly stated until the very end of the movie when he meets with the Emperor". So Dooku was supposed to be ambiguous, but marketing combined with audience expectations pretty much ruined the surprise.
We weren't meant to realise he was bad until that final scene? 
Uh huh... I'm not saying it isn't a neat idea just... yeah. 
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Arawn_Fenn
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5/10 3:42pm
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Yeah, Ben Burtt says that on the commentary. But it doesn't work because we've already seen Dooku involved in the plot to assassinate Padme. Jango's absence from the Separatist meeting did not change that.
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sabarte
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5/10 4:01pm
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The trial scene would have worked just as well with Dooku subtracted. I don't think he actually did anything.
If they really wanted to play up Dooku's ambiguousness they should have kept more of Jocasta in. Or maybe have Obi-Wan remember him.
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darth_Boba
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Jedi Ben posted:
Or it could be more simple:
Christopher Lee = Great Villain
Hence the audience expectations.
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RaidonMakoto
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Of all of Palpatine's cronies, I think he was the least evil. I kind of think that Dooku has a similar philosophy to Qui-Gon and isn't as into the needless death and destruction as, say, Maul or Vader.
However, I think the EU completely kills this theory of mine.
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Dawud786
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5/10 5:25pm
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Jedi Ben posted:
With Maul I put them down to being species, Palpatine we know is an evil git. It just seems it started being used more as an indication after ROTS, maybe it was used in Jedi: Dooku which places us back to 2003, but in any case, I see it as quick way of informing the reader of a character's status. Don't really see what the problem with this outlook is.
The problem with that is that we've got tons of examples of Zabrak's that don't have those sulphurus eyes. Two of whom were on the Jedi High Council and on-screen.
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DarthRevan211
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Simple, Dooku has to preserve his royal, diplomatic image. He's a gentlemen, and the Sith-eyes would kind of ruin his persona.
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QuentinGeorge
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However, I think the EU completely kills this theory of mine.
The EU has no consistent portrayal of Dooku's motives anyway.
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sabarte
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5/10 7:44pm
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This is true. Some of it is handwavable. Stover's is not. It's interesting to me that Stewart, Luceno, and Stover all had access to the ROTS script, and all took Dooku's character in wildly different directions.
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Darky5K
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Dawud786 posted:
Anakin Skywalker revels his the killing he's doing... the freedom to just let his pent up rage go. He enjoys a good fight, and he seems to enjoy doing what he's doing in ROTS when he's doing it.
But then why does Anakin cry afterwards?
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rumsmuggler
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5/10 8:10pm
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Darky5K posted:
Dawud786 posted:
Anakin Skywalker revels his the killing he's doing... the freedom to just let his pent up rage go. He enjoys a good fight, and he seems to enjoy doing what he's doing in ROTS when he's doing it.
But then why does Anakin cry afterwards?
It seems that some fledging Sith are a bit unstable.
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Darky5K
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5/10 8:13pm
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sabarte posted:
This is true. Some of it is handwavable. Stover's is not. It's interesting to me that Stewart, Luceno, and Stover all had access to the ROTS script, and all took Dooku's character in wildly different directions.
Maybe Dooku was meant to be like Lee's Dracula, just insane and wanting power.
Or maybe this is just another EU screwup  To me, in Labyrinth of Evil Dooku seemed to not care about much of anything of what people thought, then in the ROTS novel, Dooku's just off in imaginationland where he's the Empire's Executor and he's killing aliens left and right.
But he was stupid to believe Palpatine was testing Anakin and would jump in and save him if he were defeated aboard the Invisible Hand. No Sith is loyal enough to pass up a stronger weapon or apprentice.
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Alpha-Red
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Seriously, do you want every dark-sider to turn out like Jacen Solo?
Dooku is very much a real Sith Lord. The Sith are all about betrayal--they betray each other, they betray their confederates....they betray everyone from their most hesitant allies to their most loyal friends, all for personal gain. And Dooku has done plenty of all that.
In one scenario, he persuades a CIS member world to continue fighting even when all hope of victory is lost. He tells them he's sending heavy reinforcements and orders them to hold out for as long as they can....except there are no reinforcements and Dooku is just doing this to tie down Republic forces for as long as possible at the expense of his followers' lives. Now that is truly evil--compared to that a little emo rage displayed by Darth Maul in combat is nothing and hence why I say the "yellow-eyes-equals-more-evil" is pure hogwash.
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