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Charlemagne19
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Sounds like a very interesting issue. I cant believe that Andeddu was used as cannon fodder. But saying that I suppose if you resurrect yourself in someone else’s body you still only have that persons Midi-chlorian count (or level of force sensitivity) to work with.
I dunno, I like that Andeddu was nothing more than a putz from the past.
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Zorrixor
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sithreaper posted:
Sounds like a very interesting issue. I cant believe that Andeddu was used as cannon fodder. But saying that I suppose if you resurrect yourself in someone else’s body you still only have that persons Midi-chlorian count (or level of force sensitivity) to work with.
It would be brilliant if Wyyrlok was Onimi to Krayts Shimrra.
It would also make a lot of sense; Krayt is a very good lightning rod. Currently all the resentment within the Sith ranks is aimed towards him and the Siths enemies aren’t even contemplating a military strike against the Sith Empire, nor are they planning to destroy the Sith order, all they want to do is assassinate Krayt.
Also I have always been of the opinion that Krayts not really strong enough to be the top dog sith lord (I really wouldn’t fancy his chances against a rule of two secondary Sith like Dooku).
However in the legacy era prelude comic it did say that Wyyrlok was second only to Krayt in terms of power within the new order, which I think dispels the notion that Wyyrlok is the real power behind the throne.
I don't know how far we should necessarily take those kind of statements as literal at this stage. They're obviously not going to have wanted to give major plot points away in advance, but may well have intended to hint at future developments with veiled half truths. How many times were we told Cade was the last Skywalker? Then BAM. Enter Nat. Wyyrlok is quite clearly No. 2 at the very least though as per that preview.
Krayt nearly got his backside handed to him by Cade on his own, who had only just finished wiping the floor with Nihl and Talon. Where was Wyyrlok though when his Master needed him? Back then I was willing to dismiss it as Wyyrlok maybe just not being that much of a fighter. Nihl and Talon were trained as Krayt's assassins and bodyguards, so maybe Wyyrlok was more brains than brawn. Legacy #27 has dismissed that possibility. If Wyyrlok can take down a Sith cult and Darth Andeddu on his own then he is not someone to be trifled with. But he just stood back and left Nihl and Talon to it.
I think its a case of Wyyrlok is either the most loyal follower Krayt has and so faithful to his vision of One Sith that he does not believe Krayt can be defeated by the likes of a mere untrained Jedi; or Wyyrlok is the biggest plot twist this side of Morrigan being Calixte.
I do think it would be interesting if Wyyrlok utterly wiped the floor of Cade's strike team after they had killed Krayt. The whole "You think Lord Krayt was the Master? Fools."
Hmm... maybe White Eyes was a foreshadowing of the idea of Krayt not really being the top dog. It would truly be rather deceitful if the Sith had evolved to no longer care about being recognised as leader, with the true master of the Order hiding in the shadows, allowing Krayt to take the fall, whilst ensuring the Sith Order itself still survived. The Old Sith Empire failed because it was focused too much on the Dark Lord. In the One Sith, is the Dark Lord important, or merely the designated fall guy?
Or, to use a Metal Gear analogy: Krayt is the President, Wyyrlok is the Patriots.
Charlemagne19 posted:
Sounds like a very interesting issue. I cant believe that Andeddu was used as cannon fodder. But saying that I suppose if you resurrect yourself in someone else’s body you still only have that persons Midi-chlorian count (or level of force sensitivity) to work with.
I dunno, I like that Andeddu was nothing more than a putz from the past.
I think it possibly might have been better if Wyyrlok was going to defeat a random ancient Sith to invent an all new one. Andeddu was clearly quite a unique guy, with rare powers, thus why he was one of the three Krayt hoped might help him with his affliction. Presumably we have not heard the last of Andeddu in that respect, since we still know little about why his abilities were of so much use to Krayt and exactly how they worked.
Of couse, that may be just it: that they wanted Wyyrlok to wipe the floor with an established Sith Lord that the fans were interested in to make the achievement more meaningful. Wyyrlok defeating Lord Bilbo wouldn't have meant much, whereas Andeddu has been built up as having been powerful (or, at least, worthy of note and study).
EDIT: Interesting observation I've just had: Did they ever specify whose holocron Palpatine obtained from that Jedi from which he learned how to transfer his spirit into other bodies? From what I recall, we never did learn what happened to Andeddu's holocron after Vos got hold of it and gave it to Dooku. 
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dizfactor
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Sounds like a very interesting issue. I cant believe that Andeddu was used as cannon fodder. But saying that I suppose if you resurrect yourself in someone else’s body you still only have that persons Midi-chlorian count (or level of force sensitivity) to work with.
I dunno, I like that Andeddu was nothing more than a putz from the past.
Me too. I liked the whole "You know, the great and powerful Darth Andeddu ran and hid like a little girl, and now he's claiming we're not worthy Sith? Oh, hell no."
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Loved the issue. The art really was rich. Can I say Darth Wyyrlok is my hero? Finally, a Sith Lord who isn't totally nuts. Maybe Karness Muur will hear some reference to Andeddu. "Oh Andeddu? I knew him. Didn't like the guy. Especially when he was a Zombie." and we'll have him dated. 
What's with Krayt's treatment of Talon? It's like he stopped resembling a Sith when trying to figure out what to do with Nihl and Talon. Something weird with that.
I have to say I have loved the "set up" issues of '08.
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Charlemagne19
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Of course, here's the clincher.
Blood is everything amongst the New Sith.
...AND DARTH KRAYT WAS BORN A JEDI.
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Manisphere posted:
Can I say Darth Wyyrlok is my hero? Finally, a Sith Lord who isn't totally nuts.
Dooku never struck me as nuts. Misguided idealist perhaps, but he certainly wasn't power crazy like Palpatine, Krayt, Caedus or Vader and not a brute like Maul and Nihl. Wyyrlok seems like the Dooku of this era. Smart, cunning, powerful, loyal (so far).
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Of course, here's the clincher.
Blood is everything amongst the New Sith.
...AND DARTH KRAYT WAS BORN A JEDI.
I noticed that too. Its what makes me wonder whether that's precisely why seemingly only Talon and Wyyrlok know his true identity. Would it be anathema to the rest of the Sith? Would it enrage Nihl who is treated like a second class citizen for being a mudblood?
Its actually rather funny when you think about how similar it is to Voldemort in that sense.
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What's with Krayt's treatment of Talon? It's like he stopped resembling a Sith when trying to figure out what to do with Nihl and Talon. Something weird with that.
It was mentioned earlier in the thread (and hinted at by Mr. Ostrander) that it may have something to do with the Twi'lek who I believe sacrificed herself so he could live back in one of the Republic comics. Someone else will have to give you the name though as I can't remember it off hand, sorry.
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8/28 11:22am
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yodaminch posted:
Manisphere posted:
Can I say Darth Wyyrlok is my hero? Finally, a Sith Lord who isn't totally nuts.
Dooku never struck me as nuts. Misguided idealist perhaps, but he certainly wasn't power crazy like Palpatine, Krayt, Caedus or Vader and not a brute like Maul and Nihl. Wyyrlok seems like the Dooku of this era. Smart, cunning, powerful, loyal (so far).
Loyalty got Dooku's head handed to him, since treachery is the way of the Sith. An in my book, that makes him an old, tired and half-blind moron. All apologies to the esteemed Mr. Lee, of course.
Wyyrlock would smoke 'Count de Tyrannus' like a Corellian cigar.
The2ndQuest posted:
Wyyrlok's characterization dominates this issue and elevates it from one-shot to "really freaking awesome". Seriously, he just jumped up about three dozen notches on the best Sith Lords list. This has become one of my favorite issues of the series, easily. Wyrrlok is evil, and comes across as such, but he has this sense of...nobility, clarity and purity that is rather unique.
Spot-on, TSQ.
I had this issue marked on my calendar ever since I first laid eyes on the cover.
Since the story was supposed to be about Wyyrlock's badassness, I would say it was a job well-done. Andeddu's inclusion certainly raised the stakes, but I didn't have much riding on it, expectation wise... I was just excited to know we were gonna see the LoreMaster in action.
The Sith-Billies were just what the issue needed...
unchecked and untrained they were nothing more than rabbid vermin to a Dark Lord. And as he should have, he annihilated them all... without doing much at all. I also liked the nod to Zannah, whether it was intended or not.
Back to Darth Undead...
What I really liked about Andeddu's inclusion was the "truth of it all"...
That a Sith Lord's true-strength, resides in their 'WILL'.
I believe Sidious said exactly that; in one of the Novels, Dark Lord if my memory still holds anything of merit. Wyyrlock's will was greater than Andeddu's even though; much like Sion, his beliefs are what kept his essence alive.
All in all, it was a great one-shot, or whatever its called.
I came away with the distinct feeling that the Jedi will find out Wyyrlock is not to kriffed with, or taken lightly. IMO: If Krayt does die, the Galaxy will have a bigger mess on their hands because Wyyrlock's mind is set...
one way or another, he will see to it, that Lord Krayt's vision come to fruition.
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I'm am a bit troubled by the Holocron not being a Holocron.
Since its been in the hands of many before this issue...
But that's just being picky. Or is it?
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Fantastic issue, here.
Francia's art was brilliant again - it's among the best we've had the pleasure of seeing in a Star Wars comic. Very good on the faces, but also very good on the mood and tone of the settings, which can be just as important. I liked the way the interior of Andeddu's retreat was designed. It reminded me a great deal of the Sith ruins on Dromuund Kaas in the mood and especially in the descent through a secret way to the lair of the Sith Lord. Very well executed.
The story was well-done, as well, and one of my favorite individual issues of Legacy thus far. The way that Wyyrlok handled himself and destroyed the Sith cultists and then Andeddu himself was brilliant. In particular I liked the touch of having Wyyrlok defeat the cultists by use of illusions, making clear immediately that he was talented in this arena, so when he defeats Andedu the same way, it's a logical end rather than surprising the reader.
And the new Sith are definitely very tough, if this is anything to go by.
The ending was very interesting indeed. Wyyrlok has a clearer vision of the One Sith than Krayt does, it seems: because he is loyal to the ideology. Krayt proclaims it, but it seems increasingly clear that his vision includes himself at its head (unsurprising for a Sith), whereas Wyyrlok's vision is much broader and likely much more adaptable.
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yodaminch posted:
Manisphere posted:
Can I say Darth Wyyrlok is my hero? Finally, a Sith Lord who isn't totally nuts.
Dooku never struck me as nuts. Misguided idealist perhaps, but he certainly wasn't power crazy like Palpatine, Krayt, Caedus or Vader and not a brute like Maul and Nihl. Wyyrlok seems like the Dooku of this era. Smart, cunning, powerful, loyal (so far).
Dooku wasn't near the power of Wyyrlok. Dooku couldn't have taken Palpatine and at some point he would have wanted to. I do think Wyyrlok could destroy his master. That he doesn't and still is that powerful is something new. And I'm all for new.
I see a vague similarity between him and Dooku in that he didn't overtly want his master's head and he wasn't a mere warrior and nothing but.
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Manisphere posted:
I do think Wyyrlok could destroy his master. That he doesn't and still is that powerful is something new.
Indeed. That's the thing I found best about this issue.
Krayt may have been the boss originally, but its possible Wyyrlok may actually be capable of handing Krayt his ass in his presently ill and weakened state. But Wyyrlok doesn't. Unlike the apprentices of the Banite line, Wyyrlok chooses not to usurp his Master's throne. That alone I feel is incredibly powerful.
Its as if Wyyrlok actually is genuine about his beliefs, unlike 99% of Sith who deep down are really just in it for themselves. Either that, or Wyyrlok is the most awesome mastermind ever and understands how much more powerful "Darth Sidious" was as a phantom enigma before Palpatine painted "Sith" on his forehead and invited the Galaxy to turn on him.
SithStarSlayer posted:
I'm am a bit troubled by the Holocron not being a Holocron.
Since its been in the hands of many before this issue...
But that's just being picky. Or is it?
I haven't got the issue yet, but if I'm right in gathering it required shattering the holocron its actually arguably nothing new and echoes what Exar Kun did with his initial band of disciples.
I would assume that while Dooku (and Palpatine) may have had access to it neither of them really wanted to have their souls taken over by Andeddu, similarly the same would have been true for Vos. I'm guessing we're just meant to assume since the majority of darksiders are in it for themselves they wouldn't want to give their bodies to Andeddu.
I am curious though whether this is something all Sith holocrons can do, or whether only a few can do it; whether Andeddu had to "die" to imbue his entire essence in it instead of just a piece, or whether there are "degrees" of what a holocron can do depending on "how much spirit" they imbue. My preference would be that it requires them to imbue their full essence and that its not actually any different to what Marka Ragnos did with his scepter, just that Andeddu happened to pick his holocron.
Makes you wonder how much of ol' Palps is lurking in the Telos Holocron though. 
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Whoops... so you did. Got a bit confused deleting the different quote boxes.
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Zorrixor posted:
Interesting observation I've just had: Did they ever specify whose holocron Palpatine obtained from that Jedi from which he learned how to transfer his spirit into other bodies? From what I recall, we never did learn what happened to Andeddu's holocron after Vos got hold of it and gave it to Dooku.
It was Ashka Boda's holocron.
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I came away with the distinct feeling that the Jedi will find out Wyyrlock is not to kriffed with, or taken lightly. IMO: If Krayt does die, the Galaxy will have a bigger mess on their hands because Wyyrlock's mind is set...
one way or another, he will see to it, that Lord Krayt's vision come to fruition.
You know, a One Sith order led by Wyyrlok would be a damn terrifying thing...
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Wyyrlock just cracked my top ten...
By far, its the best comic I've read this month.
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If only TFU graphic novel had been half that good,
but I digress...
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Anybody else find it interesting that Lord Wyyrlock is the 'only other Sith name and ideal' that has survived as along as Krayt? (Under the One-Sith rule, I mean)
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