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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 3:12pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Actually, only Kreia assumes Revan is off dealing with the True Sith. Revan could be cleaning out his gambling debts on Nal Hutta and making sure that the oven wasn't left on.
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 8/20/08 3:18pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Ulicus posted: Whilst Kreia does imply that there is a physical threat in the unknown regions "the great war that comes", she doesn't say that this war is anything to do the true the "True Sith". She simply says that the Sith is a "belief", and not made up of flesh or machines, and that its true "Empire" rules elsewhere: the implication, for me, being "hearts and minds". Evil will never die, and all that. I still want KOTOR3 to make Revan the bad guy. For two reasons, (i) to show how absolutely badass Revan can be (he was not misguided, he was an evil backstabbing mother kriffer who manipulated poor Alek ) and (ii) for exactly the reason you just said, to convey quite directly the idea the "true threat" was the evil in all men's hearts. I also think it'd be quite a profound ending... do you let Revan live and allow a twice fallen Jedi a third chance? Or do you end his life once and for all because the darkness in his heart can never be erased? Star Wars games need more than just a "light/dark" choice. We need more "easy/hard" choices, even if both are "light".
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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 8/20/08 3:22pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Kreia's explanation, however, fits well with Revan's behavior. As does the KOTOR comic, for that matter, or Ordo and Bastilia's comments in KOTOR2. -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/20/08 3:45pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Excellent issue, and a great way to kick off what looks a very pivotal arc. And huh, so that's where the title came in. Zayne's "vidincation" happened pretty much off-screen, but at least Zayne's name is cleared for now, unless all the records are destroyed, but considering we know Vandar and Vrook survive into the games, hopefully after this arc is over, Zayne will no longer be a fugitive. Wow, so much happened in just this first issue. The only downside is that aside from Gryph, none of the rest of the regular non-evil cast appeared, though with Jarael probably prisoner on Karath's ship, she might still play a role. Wonder where Alek is in all this insanity. And Haazen even refers to how Gryph escaped Serroco- saying "nothing happens in the halls of power with my knowledge," so wow, Gryph's escape from that nuclear devestation must've been a lot more complicated than simply dodging nukes. Hope they explain that plot thread at some point. And love how Gryph keeps correcting people- "that's mastermind". Looks like Haazen has spent years planning this. Looks like he has agents everywhere, and possibly in large numbers. Maybe not quite an army, but with a lot of Covenant members in the right place they can cause a lot of damage- especially with Haazen telling them to seize the Jedi Council's Sith artifact stockpile and bring them to the "safety" of the Covenant. Haazen sure looks very Sith-ish at the end of the issue. Though he hasn't quite proclaimed himself a Sith, as he said "let the fire of truth rain down!" so not sure if he's just crazy, insane, or evil, or possibly all three. He is wielding a red lightsaber by then, with a very evil-looking helmet, and he refers to the Prophecy of the Five (I am so glad that that prophecy is going to be resolved here in the comics, and doesn't look like it's referring to Revan in the games or anything like that). Poor Xamar. He honestly was helping Zayne, and was trying to protect Krynda, but looks like Haazen manipulated Karath too. Oh well, its that moron Karath, so I don't mind having him as an unwitting accomplice to the bad guy (unless Haazen just hijacked the Swiftsure's computer, but I could see Karath acting on Haazen's orders too). And thus the Rogue Moon Prophecy continues to be fulfilled, and this was one of the more unexpected instances. Looks like no matter what they do, the prophecy will be fulfilled. Although that's usually how prophecies work out. Even if someone is vigilant, and avoids what they think is their fate, they later get blindsided, like with Xamar. Or maybe, though Xamar avoided his original death, another similiar fate then popped (you can never tell with the Force). Q'anilia looks like she's about to fall apart, and not too surprised about Lucien and Q'anilia's romance- there have been hints of it since the first arc, in the sense that those two seemed to always be talking to each other, and then that bed chamber scene. I kinda wonder how it came about though- Haazen gloats that Lucien, the unwanted son, has just been his pawn the whole time, but still curious how two Covenant members ended up sorta in love. Heh, and Q'anilia sounded so relieved when a supposedly evil Zayne walked in, like its confirmation that all of their crimes were justified. Then, of course, they find out Zayne's not evil, and she starts to fall apart. Krynda is still missing in action, so Q'anilia's probably going to last long enough to at least find out about her teacher's fate. Lucien was part of the plan to maybe overthow the Jedi Council, but he wasn't aware of the Republic fleet bombarding the area. Haazen seems even to have planned somewhat for Zayne's "special relationship with the Force," at least in the sense of not actively trying to kill Zayne yet, as if he tried, something big might fall on him or something like that. And Lucien so far is definitely not the worst evil around, since he had no idea about Haazen's true plans, and he's still operating on the "this is for the good of all" idea. Although as we know from future covers, Lucien's not just going to be catatonic or anything like that. This kind of reminds me of Episode III a bit too, though. The Jedi Council moves to attack the bad guys, but then the bad guy makes the Council look like the villains. At least Zayne still has his lightsaber. Well, Haazen might have it at the moment, but losing his lightsaber and getting it back is one of Zayne's specialties. Great issue, and I certainly didn't expect things to go this far in just the first issue of this arc. Imagine how much more will happen by the end?! I could easily see Part IV having at least a sorta epilogue, so as usual, I'm eager to see what'll happen next month. Zayne's still up and going, so that might unravel Haazen's plans, if nothing else happens that might stop him. Not sure how Zayne will do it, but something will come along. Hopefully. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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snelson Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 8/20/08 3:53pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	too bad about xamar i am beginning to wonder if haazen is darth sion and lucien is darth nihilus. -----signature----- I Love 1930'S 1940'S 1950'S Movies Hermione Granger Is A Beautiful Witch Dreaming Of Jeannie Olivia DeHavilland Still Kicking At 93 Daniel Radcliffe Is So Sweet Like Harry
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 3:58pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	snelson posted: too bad about xamar i am beginning to wonder if haazen is darth sion and lucien is darth nihilus. It'd be a bizarre twist is Haazen is Nihilus. But its unlikely.
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:00pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/20/08 4:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
	Lucien is more likely Sion. And Haazen, I think, will very likely die in this arc. Which leaves us with the question when Darth Nihilus saved himself from death by tying his spirit to his mask? If it wasn't on Ravager in 3951 BBY, then perhaps on Coruscant in 3963 BBY? There certainly could be one mask like that among all the Sith artifacts the Covenant has collected... -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!! Kill Ben Skywalker, the new Jar-Jar!
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:01pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Rouge77 posted: Lucien is more likely Sion. And Haazen, I think, will very likely die in this arc. Which leaves us with the question when Darth Nihilus saved himself from death by tying his spirit to his mask? If it wasn't on Ravager in 3951 BBY, then perhaps on Coruscant in 3963 BBY? There certainly could be one mask like that among all the Sith artifacts the Covenant has collected... Nihilus is JACK OF BLADES! (Sorry, Fable reference) Heh... I'd honestly like to see them tie Nihilus in with Xendor and the Dark Underlord somehow. But I'm strange. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:03pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Ulicus posted: Heh... I'd honestly like to see them tie Nihilus in with Xendor and the Dark Underlord somehow. But I'm strange. I doubt it. However, could Nihilus' masks be amongst the artifacts that Zayne confiscated?
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:08pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Charlemagne19 posted: I doubt it. No, I am strange and I would honestly like to see them tie Nihilus and the Dark Underlord in together. Charles posted: However, could Nihilus' masks be amongst the artifacts that Zayne confiscated? That's what Rouge was suggesting... and what made me think that Nihilus' deal might be similar to what goes on with Jack of Blades. (Though consciousnesses/spirits living on in body possessing masks might be too out there? I dunno... maybe the Muur Talisman is foreshadowing?) -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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cbagmjg Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:14pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	After this issue it's hard for me to believe that Krynda is not Kreia. The death prophesised by Q'Anilia could be explained because Kreia could "feign death". But considering Kreia was known for leading all her students down the dark path, which it's clear to me that Covenant councilors fighting Jedi guardians is not something we see everyday in Star Wars. All in all, this is the best issue since #9. I've said that a lot, but this is by far the closest, if not better. And a Haazen backstory next...
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:17pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	cbagmjg posted: After this issue it's hard for me to believe that Krynda is not Kreia. The death prophesised by Q'Anilia could be explained because Kreia could "feign death". But considering Kreia was known for leading all her students down the dark path, which it's clear to me that Covenant councilors fighting Jedi guardians is not something we see everyday in Star Wars. All in all, this is the best issue since #9. I've said that a lot, but this is by far the closest, if not better. And a Haazen backstory next... Actually, I think that next issue may well find that Haazen has murdered Krynda.
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:41pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/20/08 4:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
	Krynda might already be dead, but that still leaves the question of how Haazen got away with it. We have quite a few Jedi Masters, Jedi Consulars at that, who studied extensively with Krynda, so if Krynda died, you'd think they would have sensed it. Even Lucien, with his apparent lack of prophetic or cerebral ability, would probably sense if his own mother died... maybe, its hard to tell how being estranged affects a Force connection. Anyway, I just hope Zayne manages to meet Krynda. Both Raana Tey and Celeste wanted him to meet Krynda. Didn't know Xamar had a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor, with his parting words when he left- though those words were also somewhat dooming him. I'm not even going to bother speculating on who might become what in the games. And dammit, I really wish my bookstore would get the KotOR guide in sooner. In the issue, its kinda funny how Lucien is asking that Zayne, of all people, understand what they're doing, that if Zayne saw what the Muur Talisman did, that their insurrection against the Jedi Council was necessary, in case the Sith infiltrated the group and stole all the stockpiled Sith stuff (we see quite a few Sith pyramid Holocrons). Though there's still a bit of an odd... relationship between Lucien and Zayne. The Covenant seems to be made up mostly of Consulars or seers, and Lucien doesn't relaly fit in. And Q'anilia seems outraged at their insurrection, but I guess at that point, Lucien was just hoping to find someone there who wouldn't condemn him. Zayne didn't do too much this issue, being more of a witness than anything else, but hopefully that'll change next issue. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 8/20/08 4:54pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Lucien not being a seer was a major point of his "solo" issue, way back around issue #10 or so. (One interesting thing I hoped will be answered is that Lucien mentioned to himself that there was something he was keeping from Haazen...) -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 5:05pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	I think Lucien is, disturbingly, starting to see Zayne as a kindred spirit. If nothing else, Zayne's continued survival has shot to Hell all of Lucien's theories that he's incapable.
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