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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/20/08 5:59pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/20/08 6:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
	Yeah, it is kind of scary how Lucien almost seems to be... connecting with Zayne now. Its already far, far too late to make up for being a horrible teacher to Zayne, but I think ever since the end of Commencement, Lucien alone, out of the five Taris Masters, seem to understand just how badly they underestimated Zayne. And aside from that one initial swing on the Arkanian Legacy, Lucien and Zayne actually worked pretty well together, without any backstabbing until after the exogarts were dealt with. Now, with everything falling apart, Lucien almost appeals to Zayne as the only kindred spirit around. Too bad Zayne really isn't interested in forgiveness. And I don't mean that Zayne's interested in revenge, I mean Zayne is interested in bringing his former Masters to justice. Though of course, this has grown far beyond Zayne, now Zayne has to save the Jedi Order, and by extension the Republic, from a crazy darksider. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 6:03pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Nobody145 posted: Yeah, it is kind of scary how Lucien almost seems to be... connecting with Zayne now. Its already far, far too late to make up for being a horrible teacher to Zayne, but I think ever since the end of Commencement, Lucien alone, out of the five Taris Masters, seem to understand just how badly they underestimated Zayne. And aside from that one initial swing on the Arkanian Legacy, Lucien and Zayne actually worked pretty well together, without any backstabbing until after the exogarts were dealt with. Now, with everything falling apart, Lucien almost appeals to Zayne as the only kindred spirit around. Too bad Zayne really isn't interested in forgiveness. And I don't mean that Zayne's interested in revenge, I mean Zayne is interested in bringing his former Masters to justice. Though of course, this has grown far beyond Zayne, now Zayne has to save the Jedi Order, and by extension the Republic, from a crazy darksider. In a way, Lucien may be starting to realize that Zayne is also like him in many ways in that he's the abandoned and neglected son. Unfortunately, he's about to find that everyone is going to turn against him. Personally, I think if Q'Anilla turns against Lucien, then she's just a giant hypocrite. Lucien's crimes are horrendous but Xamar and she are just as guilty as he is.
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/20/08 6:17pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Pretty much the entire Covenant is made up of fanatics, hypocrites, and/or jerks, usually a combination of those three attributes. And not sure if Q'anilia is really in any competent mental state to judge accurately, but yeah, they're all hypocrites. At least Xamar was acting guilty, considering his own crimes. Though considering Xamar's comments, Q'anilia might be a lost cause by now. Lucien's crimes are a bit greater than Q'anilia's though, I think. Lucien lied about having permission from Covenant HQ on Coruscant to kill their Padawans, and Lucien was part of the insurrection plan against the Jedi High Council, which Q'anilia didn't seem aware of. That's not to say Q'anilia's innocent, she isn't, Xamar wasn't either, but at least Xamar came forward and confessed, for Krynda's sake. I almost wonder what a repentant Lucien might be like, but considering we've seen all the covers for the Vindication arc already, I really don't see Lucien improving in any way, he's just going to keep getting worse. Though its not entirely Lucien's fault, as he's been a pawn for Haazen for years already, not to mention Krynda was probably a horrible mother, based on what we saw of her. By the way, way back during that Flashpoint interlude, when Lucien said he was hiding something, I thought that wast just referring to the traps they were setting up for Zayne, like the Moomos watching Zayne's father? Its been so long since it was referenced, so I thought it was just something minor like that, but... well, so far, Lucien seems to be mainly a pawn, so I don't see him as doing anything too big on his own, but who knows at this point. Its an odd master-student line we've had so far, isn't it? Haazen was the "failed Padawan," Lucien is the rejected, useless son, and now Zayne with his "special relationship with the Force". Of course, its not like Jedi teachers can exactly shape their students how they please, things still turn out in unexpected or undesirable ways, like with Obi-wan and Anakin. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 6:19pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Bizarrely, I think Lucien never intended his plan to go into effect save as a last resort. He instead is just watching Haazen turn his plot into reality. Like Batman's Special Codes on how to take down the Justice League.
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blackmyron Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:22pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	And we still don't know what exactly Zayne's "special relationship" is - Haazen seemed very interested in it, but Lucien dismissed it as "useless". What are the odds that it will be explained/come into play before the end of the arc? -----signature----- Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Come on Dave, you're taking this stuff too seriously." - George Lucas "Reality can rarely be explained without contradictions." - Karnak
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:24pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Yeah, but Lucien still participated in it. But yeah, I'm pretty sure Lucien didn't intend for their plan to start up now, but rather as a last resort, but still, it seems even Q'anilia is somewhat shocked at them going this far. Haazen of course is using it to easily take out all his enemies. Its still kind of a farfetched scenario, Sith taking over the Jedi Council, but anything's possible, and this is the Covenant, so crazy fanatical ideas are their speciality. I wonder if Zayne's escape accelerated things though. Like the Covenant went to Taris partially to search for the Muur Talisman, which probably would've been a big catch for Haazen (if he could control it), and Lucien's Council status was a big help, but they also had to deal with the fall-out from the Taris Padawan Massacre. Not to mention that the Covenant was sorta on the verge of being exposed, but Haazen looks like he's already was well-prepared for this possibility. Then again, considering how many seers are probably involved in the Covenant (Haazen already mentioned using them for financial advise and probably lots of other things.) Its kinda odd how nobody's holding a lightsaber blade at Zayne's throat, but guess with the a minor Jedi civil war about to start, there are bigger things to worry about than Zayne Carrick. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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PointGiven Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:26pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Charlemagne19 posted: Bizarrely, I think Lucien never intended his plan to go into effect save as a last resort. He instead is just watching Haazen turn his plot into reality. I agree, especially with Lucien's physical reactions after Haazen's message. He's in shock that everything came to pass. I wonder (assuming the cover of #34 is correct) how Haazen is going to get Lucien to fight Zayne. -----signature----- Think you can name the most important Sith Lords? Test your knowledge: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Caedus/sith_lords Also test your SW military knowledge with the Wars of Star Wars: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Caedus/wars_starwars
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:26pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Big Question. Is Krynda? 1. Corrupted. 2. A fool who missed Haazen's stuff. 3. Disabled/killed
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Lord_Vivec Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:30pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	I say 3. -----signature----- "Those of us who don't believe in science are being attacked by forces we don't understand...like momentum, acceleration, and gravity." Gavin Newsom for CA Gov '10! Property of JEDI_TEEGIRLOO Currently the most attractive guy in the EUC
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JediAlly Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:37pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Charlemagne19 posted: Big Question. Is Krynda? 1. Corrupted. 2. A fool who missed Haazen's stuff. 3. Disabled/killed I think we'll find out next month. I'm looking at the panel where the Jedi agents come charging in. The black haired woman with two blue sabers - is it me or does she bear a certain resemblance to Bastila? -----signature----- A Gathering of Light - new site: http://boards.theforce.net/Beyond_the_Saga/b10477/15798221 Liberty and Custody: http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=14219579 Solo Rogue Jedi: http://boards.theforce.net/Beyond_the_Saga/b10477/15798533
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:38pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	I'd say all three options, at one point or another during her life. First, she was corrupt by starting up her own secret Sith-hunting Jedi Covenant, then she probably didn't notice Haazen being evil for who knows how long, and at the moment, in the present, she's probably disabled in some way (unconscious, imprisoned, dead, who knows). And I could see Lucien just snapping and blaming Zayne for everything and trying to kill Zayne in some insane attempt to make up for every thing Lucien has done wrong, like maybe by killing Zayne he'll fix his original mistake. Considering how... unstable Lucien is, even with his odd relationship to Zayne, I don't think it would take too much for Lucien to make another attempt to kill Zayne. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:43pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Nobody145 posted: I'd say all three options, at one point or another during her life. First, she was corrupt by starting up her own secret Sith-hunting Jedi Covenant, then she probably didn't notice Haazen being evil for who knows how long, and at the moment, in the present, she's probably disabled in some way (unconscious, imprisoned, dead, who knows). And I could see Lucien just snapping and blaming Zayne for everything and trying to kill Zayne in some insane attempt to make up for every thing Lucien has done wrong, like maybe by killing Zayne he'll fix his original mistake. Considering how... unstable Lucien is, even with his odd relationship to Zayne, I don't think it would take too much for Lucien to make another attempt to kill Zayne. I can certainly see Lucien attacking Zayne in a rage. At heart, I don't think he's capable of owning up to the realization he'll be viewed as a traitor and an ally of the Sith while Zayne will be a hero.
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cbagmjg Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:43pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	I could be wrong, but I think Krynda's coffin(if she is dead) is in this issue. The page where Haazen's holding Gryph up in the air that appears to look more like a coffin than a table or dresser. And the page where Haazen looks all sithy you can see it in the bottom left corner. I think that's suppose to be her. I guess we'll see next month.
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cbagmjg Registered: Jul '06	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:50pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	blackmyron posted: And we still don't know what exactly Zayne's "special relationship" is - Haazen seemed very interested in it, but Lucien dismissed it as "useless". What are the odds that it will be explained/come into play before the end of the arc? Didn't Haazen practically make it clear..."And your special relationship with the force. Yes, I know of that. Sudden reversals of fortune are your business.
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Red-emption Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 8/20/08 7:59pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	JediAlly posted: I'm looking at the panel where the Jedi agents come charging in. The black haired woman with two blue sabers - is it me or does she bear a certain resemblance to Bastila? No disrespect towards Brian Ching but all of his females have that face so it's hard to say.
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