Author Topic: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 (of 4)
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Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:05pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
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And we still don't know what exactly Zayne's "special relationship" is - Haazen seemed very interested in it, but Lucien dismissed it as "useless". What are the odds that it will be explained/come into play before the end of the arc?


Didn't Haazen practically make it clear..."And your special relationship with the force. Yes, I know of that. Sudden reversals of fortune are your business.

D'oh. If only it were sudden reversals in gender, Zayne would be the Exile. sad

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:08pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Ulicus posted:

D'oh. If only it were sudden reversals in gender, Zayne would be the Exile. sad


Fancon.

Zayne Carrick becomes the padawan of an attractive older woman who has a similiar relationship with the Force as he.

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:18pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
This issue was positively brilliant. More lengthy response to come, but it was excellent in every way.

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:33pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
I thought it was a strong issue. However, the Jedi vs. Jedi really threw me out of the story. Would the non-covenant Jedi just go in lightsabers blazing like that? How did the Jedi all get so brainwashed by the Covenant?

You would think there would be some hesitancy by one if not both of the sides.

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:44pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
I definitely see where you're coming from. At the same time, I think there's enough suspicion in the order as is that when the actual goings-on of the Covenant are revealed, the Jedi feel the need to stop them and quickly. Besides, if Vrook endorses immediate action of that intensity, you know the rest of the Jedi have to be thinking, Umm, okay, this is serious and we'd better be ready for a fight. I just figure that Xamar told them everything and as such they treated it the way they did.

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:46pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
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I definitely see where you're coming from. At the same time, I think there's enough suspicion in the order as is that when the actual goings-on of the Covenant are revealed, the Jedi feel the need to stop them and quickly. Besides, if Vrook endorses immediate action of that intensity, you know the rest of the Jedi have to be thinking, Umm, okay, this is serious and we'd better be ready for a fight. I just figure that Xamar told them everything and as such they treated it the way they did.

- Keralys


Ironically, it helps explain the Jedi Civil War perception.

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 8:55pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/20/08 8:59pm (2 edits total) Edited By: JohnJacksonMiller
Consider the evidence that would have been before them by this point — combined with the feelings such evidence would have provoked, following the Sith War. You hope that a show of force will be enough, but you prepare for the worst. We obviously didn't have a panel to show it, but that call for everyone to lay down their weapons would have happened before sabers clashed, as well.

Clarifying the box: it is the "equipment" Haazen requests from Garragor and Klydeker, and holds the items he later dons. Look carefully and you can see him opening it on one page.

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D'oh. If only it were sudden reversals in gender, Zayne would be the Exile. sad


No, then he'd be Ranma.

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 9:02pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/20/08 9:05pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Master_Ikari
JohnJacksonMiller posted:


Ulicus posted:
D'oh. If only it were sudden reversals in gender, Zayne would be the Exile. sad


No, then he'd be Ranma.


You win Bonus Points for making a reference to Ranma 1/2.* applause laugh


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Date Posted: 8/20/08 9:03pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/20/08 9:05pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Red-emption
Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted:
I thought it was a strong issue. However, the Jedi vs. Jedi really threw me out of the story. Would the non-covenant Jedi just go in lightsabers blazing like that? How did the Jedi all get so brainwashed by the Covenant?

You would think there would be some hesitancy by one if not both of the sides.

-The Rebel Gungan

Both parties were instigated by very strong, rash individuals. And remember that the members of the Covenant are insanely devoted to Krynda. And Haazen was essentially LYING to every single one of them when he calls for the Jedi Council links to be broken off. While the Jedi of the Order were sent by Vrook, who probably didn't exactly make the Covenant seem at all sympathetic. Only Xamar reminded them that they still are Jedi.

And I was wondering where Haazen all of a sudden got that Sith junk. Guess I was distracted to notice that he was going through the big red equipment box. And Mr Miller, you are going to have to explain who designed Haazen's headgear. I mean, really. :P

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 9:06pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
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No, then he'd be Ranma.

I'm not sure I want to google that. It sounds Japanese. The scary sort of Japanese. worried

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 9:07pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Haazen's Cow Skull looks Nihilus like.

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 9:10pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Red-emption posted:
And Mr Miller, you are going to have to explain who designed Haazen's headgear. I mean, really. :P


Loki's haberdasher.

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 9:58pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
how exactly did the green one bite it?
anyone care to explain?

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 10:16pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Ok, time for spoilers

Xamar left to supposedly go retrieve some Sith artifacts Zayne had stolen, that they had left on Zayne's ship. Xamar instead opens the doors, allowing the Jedi Council's Knights to storm the place. However, Haazen had apparently been expecting this, as he presses a button, and suddenly, Republic ships in orbit start firing on the Jedi storming the place, blowing up the whole area, Covenant and Council members alike. This leads to the moment of Xamar's death, just as he saw it, Republic ships firing on friendly ships/troops. Xamar and most of the Jedi there are (presumably) incinerated.

And ah, I thought those horns looked vaguely nordic. And if you don't want to be too confused or disturbed, Ulicus, I don't advise you to google that term. It involves a Japanese manga and a genderbending boy/girl with... lots of fanservice, to say the least. I'm not a fan, but I've heard of it.

And considering how resourceful and well-connected the Covenant seems to be, a head-on surprise attack makes sense to me. Fortunately, Zayne was inside already before everything fell apart.

 

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Date Posted: 8/20/08 10:28pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
poor xamar..
worried
perhaps visions only change if u choose not to take the first answer u think of?
perhaps by killing the padawans, the vision was cemented to come true

maybe the whole point of visions is for u to dwell on them, more so than they've shown the covenant or any other Jedi/Sith(Anakin for example) and to not choose the quick & apparent easy initial solution, possibly, any thoughts on this?

 

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