Author Topic: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 (of 4)
Zorrixor  4390 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 12:36am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/21/08 12:55am (4 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
Charlemagne19 posted:
snelson posted:
too bad about xamar

i am beginning to wonder if haazen is darth sion and lucien is darth nihilus.


It'd be a bizarre twist is Haazen is Nihilus.

But its unlikely.


I still think the helmet on the cover of the next issue (which looks a lot like the helmet of Dathka Graush from a few issues back) has an ominous Nihilus feel to it. Cut off the horns and bingo (and even Nihilus's mask may have had some short horns under it to explain the wierd shape of his hood). Of course, a lot of people also say Haazen looks a lot like Sion, so he's starting to have echoes of both. That said, maybe when I actually read this issue it won't look the same as it does on the cover.

If Lucien becomes Sion though, then I like the dynamic Haazen being Nihilus creates, particuarly in that cut scene where Sion roars "I never needed you!" and shows his utter hatred for his "Master". The only question mark for me with either of them becoming either Nihilus or Sion is the way Kreia was the "Master" of both, yet has had no role in any of this. If Haazen was Nihilus, and already a Sith, why would he be second to Kreia? You'd think he'd have been the Master.

Admittedly, I've always questioned the "Triumvirate" idea. Anyone know if the Campaign Guide elaborates on it? In my replays of KOTOR2 I've always thought when you read between the lines that there's very little that actually says the three worked together, an "alliance" could just as easily have been a mutual agreement not to kill each other, as opposed to any sort of formal Master/apprentice setup. The "Triumvirate" could just have been the Sith United Nations, they agreed not to assassinate each other, but weren't necessarily best buddies.
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Lucien is more likely Sion. And Haazen, I think, will very likely die in this arc. Which leaves us with the question when Darth Nihilus saved himself from death by tying his spirit to his mask? If it wasn't on Ravager in 3951 BBY, then perhaps on Coruscant in 3963 BBY? There certainly could be one mask like that among all the Sith artifacts the Covenant has collected... confused

I've always been a bit put off by the way Legacy explained that. Given both are Dark Horse, it feels likely the idea will carry across as fact, but it never felt right to me. After you kill Nihilus and Visas goes to look beneath his mask and says "Just a man" it implied there was a body inside the robes, he surely wasn't just a ghost in a black bed sheet?

Not that it'd be the end of the world. It just doesn't really fit with what I always felt the game was trying to imply. If it meant Haazen turned out to be Nihilus though, then it'd be cool. Nihilus, Darth Trayus, Darth Andeddu... any of them being Haazen is good. wink
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And we still don't know what exactly Zayne's "special relationship" is - Haazen seemed very interested in it, but Lucien dismissed it as "useless". What are the odds that it will be explained/come into play before the end of the arc?


Didn't Haazen practically make it clear..."And your special relationship with the force. Yes, I know of that. Sudden reversals of fortune are your business.

D'oh. If only it were sudden reversals in gender, Zayne would be the Exile. sad

I somewhat wonder whether Zayne will in some way explain why the Council were so scared of the Exile. If, despite having now saved the Jedi Order from Haazen, Zayne still ends up a tragic hero who becomes Nihilus or something like that, then one could argue their fear of the Exile was justified.

shock

Hmm... I mentioned yesterday what if Haazen goes to join Mandalore and in Revan's climactic duel with Mandalore at Malachor V Zayne fights alongside him battling Haazen. Well, if Zayne is Nihilus, that puts him right in the center of things (read: at Malachor V alongside Haazen, wearing what looks like Nihilus's mask). mischief

Of course, it would also put Haazen right in the center of things when Nihilus is born too, so it could go either way. tongue

 

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UltimateMandalore  454 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 1:07am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
What if Haazen is the Mandalore!

 

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SlackJawedJedi  1111 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 1:12am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
The real Haazen... is US.

 

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Nobody145  2176 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 2:57am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/21/08 2:59am (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
By the way, I think this issue confirms that Zayne's "prophecy" at the end of Commencement was Zayne just mocking and issuing a challenge to his former Masters, what with how Xamar confessed, but he died too, while two other Taris Masters remain alive. And considering Zayne said that he would hunt down the rest until only one was left to confess, looks like that was just Zayne just acting intimidating. Hope someone goes and changes the Wookieepedia article about Zayne's "vision". At least assuming I'm interpreting this right.

Odd skulls on the next cover, not sure if they could be old Sith masks, or just literally skulls. Hm, did death have a skull-head like that in certain images? What with how they drew on a Norse image of Loki for Haazen's helmet and all that. I do wonder just how many other Sith artifacts Haazen has on hand. Oh well, at least the Muur Talisman is safely out of reach for the next few millenia. And I'm still hoping that most of the KotOR characters (aside from the ones who still have the same names, like Carth and Karath, or the obvious and confirmed ones like Alek and the Revanchist leader) are just their own, and aren't all future Sith lords or something like that. It'd be nice for the Covenant to just conclude here. Though mostly, I just don't want it to turn out that the Taris Masters were right about how Zayne was a threat or not. Zayne just doesn't seem the type, but then again, based on future summaries, who knows.

 

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Bly  1070 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 7:37am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Dang, that's a pity about Xamar. I rather liked his character, and it was especially sad that he died the way he foresaw, even though he tried to avert it.

 

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dizfactor  7826 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 1:22pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Nobody145 posted:
By the way, I think this issue confirms that Zayne's "prophecy" at the end of Commencement was Zayne just mocking and issuing a challenge to his former Masters, what with how Xamar confessed, but he died too, while two other Taris Masters remain alive. And considering Zayne said that he would hunt down the rest until only one was left to confess, looks like that was just Zayne just acting intimidating. Hope someone goes and changes the Wookieepedia article about Zayne's "vision". At least assuming I'm interpreting this right.


Finally. It blew my mind how literal-minded so many people were reading that scene. Zayne was just doing a little smack-talking. There was never any vision.

 

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DarthAdamentum  662 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 1:25pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Darth Andeddu revealed at last!

 

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Date Posted: 8/21/08 2:34pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Stellar issue- KOTOR tops itself again.

Is Krynda being a learner of Vodo's new info? i forget. Also loved the TOTJ logo use, ha!

 

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Ulicus  7359 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 3:44pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
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Is Krynda being a learner of Vodo's new info?

It's been said before, and I think it was in the handbook too.

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Also loved the TOTJ logo use, ha!

Me too! I get the feeling we're going to have a flashback to that time period... grin grin grin

 

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Date Posted: 8/21/08 5:55pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
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Darth Andeddu revealed at last!


You think Haazen is Andeddu? What makes you say that?

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Date Posted: 8/21/08 6:33pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
dizfactor posted:
Nobody145 posted:
By the way, I think this issue confirms that Zayne's "prophecy" at the end of Commencement was Zayne just mocking and issuing a challenge to his former Masters, what with how Xamar confessed, but he died too, while two other Taris Masters remain alive. And considering Zayne said that he would hunt down the rest until only one was left to confess, looks like that was just Zayne just acting intimidating. Hope someone goes and changes the Wookieepedia article about Zayne's "vision". At least assuming I'm interpreting this right.


Finally. It blew my mind how literal-minded so many people were reading that scene. Zayne was just doing a little smack-talking. There was never any vision.

Apparently, Raana Tey was reading that scene pretty literally too considering her nightmare back in issue sixteen.

 

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Ackbar_Van_Gungan  1297 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 6:52pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Red-emption posted:
dizfactor posted:
Nobody145 posted:
By the way, I think this issue confirms that Zayne's "prophecy" at the end of Commencement was Zayne just mocking and issuing a challenge to his former Masters, what with how Xamar confessed, but he died too, while two other Taris Masters remain alive. And considering Zayne said that he would hunt down the rest until only one was left to confess, looks like that was just Zayne just acting intimidating. Hope someone goes and changes the Wookieepedia article about Zayne's "vision". At least assuming I'm interpreting this right.


Finally. It blew my mind how literal-minded so many people were reading that scene. Zayne was just doing a little smack-talking. There was never any vision.

Apparently, Raana Tey was reading that scene pretty literally too considering her nightmare back in issue sixteen.


Ambiguity drives interest... Who will end up being the quintet of Darth? Who is the Jedi Exile? What is Krynda's role? What does the prophecy mean? Demarohanagol? Whats up with the covenant?

These are the points that drive the interest in KOTOR

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Ackbar_Van_Gungan  1297 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 6:53pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Red-emption posted:
dizfactor posted:
Nobody145 posted:
By the way, I think this issue confirms that Zayne's "prophecy" at the end of Commencement was Zayne just mocking and issuing a challenge to his former Masters, what with how Xamar confessed, but he died too, while two other Taris Masters remain alive. And considering Zayne said that he would hunt down the rest until only one was left to confess, looks like that was just Zayne just acting intimidating. Hope someone goes and changes the Wookieepedia article about Zayne's "vision". At least assuming I'm interpreting this right.


Finally. It blew my mind how literal-minded so many people were reading that scene. Zayne was just doing a little smack-talking. There was never any vision.

Apparently, Raana Tey was reading that scene pretty literally too considering her nightmare back in issue sixteen.


Ambiguity drives interest... Who will end up being the quintet of Darth? Who is the Jedi Exile? What is Krynda's role? What does the prophecy mean? Demarohanagol? Whats up with the covenant?

These are the points that drive the interest in KOTOR

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Kenobi_Kid  1810 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 6:56pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Does anyone else wonder whether or not Krynda is even still alive? I mean, the last time we saw her was in a flashback, and Haazen seems awfully quick to prevent anyone from coming in contact with her. I know he claims that she's with Watchcicrle Cthulu at the moment, but I'm starting to think that maybe she's not anywhere. Alive, that is.

 

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yodaminch  7463 posts
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 8:42pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Kenobi_Kid posted:
Does anyone else wonder whether or not Krynda is even still alive? I mean, the last time we saw her was in a flashback, and Haazen seems awfully quick to prevent anyone from coming in contact with her. I know he claims that she's with Watchcicrle Cthulu at the moment, but I'm starting to think that maybe she's not anywhere. Alive, that is.


I think she's a vegetable. If she were dead, Lucien and/or the Covenant would have sensed it. It's already been proven that they can sense the death of others in the Covenant and Krynda is a pretty big death. The fact that no one ever sees her and she's always meditating makes me think vegetable.

 

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