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Author Topic: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 (of 4)
Carnage04  4916 posts
Registered: Mar '05
43718_Darth Nihl
Date Posted: 8/21/08 8:45pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1

I've been thinking Krynda dead for a looong time.

I'm a little bit confused on Haazen's angle here. He's clearly pretty evil and interested in Sith things.....

Why so eager for Lucien to deal with the Exogorths? "They could be made to serve the Sith."

Is he actually just karking insane?

 

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UltimateMandalore  454 posts
Registered: Sep '06
42103_Thrawn
Date Posted: 8/21/08 9:06pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Ackbar_Van_Gungan posted:
DarthAdamentum posted:
Darth Andeddu revealed at last!


You think Haazen is Andeddu? What makes you say that?

-The Rebel Gungan


Why do you block out speculation?

 

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JohnJacksonMiller  399 posts
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44263_Carth Onasi
Date Posted: 8/21/08 9:28pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/21/08 9:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: JohnJacksonMiller
Carnage04 posted:
Why so eager for Lucien to deal with the Exogorths?


I can't say any more right now, but reread what Haazen actually ordered Lucien to do.

 

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Nobody145  2171 posts
Registered: Feb '07
42495_Zayne Carrick
Date Posted: 8/21/08 9:29pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/21/08 9:32pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
There's a simple explanation for that, I think.

The exogarths were too dangerous for anyone, so best to deal with them so that no one can use them. The line about "being made to serve the Sith" is sorta the Covenant's catch-all (assuming I'm using the term right). What I mean is that the Sith is the Covenant's all-purpose excuse. If that artifact is too dangerous? Steal it to keep it from the Sith. Should we kill our Padawans? Do it before they become Sith, etc., etc. Haazen's been lying to Lucien for a long, long time, so another lie like that is no big deal.

Also, the exogarths are not Sith-made (far as we know), they just eat everything and are near unstoppable. Nothing too crazy with getting rid of a threat to one's plans. And honestly, those things were too dangerous. Everyone, Zayne, Lucien, Carth, even "Rohlan" agreed to help get rid of them, though Camper handled getting rid of them himself.

EDIT: Ooh, a hint from the author. I've got to go dig out that issue now. Well, guess my guess is out the window now.

 

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MistrX  1544 posts
Registered: Jun '06
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Date Posted: 8/21/08 9:38pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/21/08 9:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MistrX
I do like that Xamar's end became one of those "you can't escape fate" things. I guess Raana's kind of was, too. I wonder if that'll become an issue down the line.

 

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UltimateMandalore  454 posts
Registered: Sep '06
42103_Thrawn
Date Posted: 8/21/08 10:47pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Nobody145 posted:
There's a simple explanation for that, I think.

The exogarths were too dangerous for anyone, so best to deal with them so that no one can use them. The line about "being made to serve the Sith" is sorta the Covenant's catch-all (assuming I'm using the term right). What I mean is that the Sith is the Covenant's all-purpose excuse. If that artifact is too dangerous? Steal it to keep it from the Sith. Should we kill our Padawans? Do it before they become Sith, etc., etc. Haazen's been lying to Lucien for a long, long time, so another lie like that is no big deal.

Also, the exogarths are not Sith-made (far as we know), they just eat everything and are near unstoppable. Nothing too crazy with getting rid of a threat to one's plans. And honestly, those things were too dangerous. Everyone, Zayne, Lucien, Carth, even "Rohlan" agreed to help get rid of them, though Camper handled getting rid of them himself.

EDIT: Ooh, a hint from the author. I've got to go dig out that issue now. Well, guess my guess is out the window now.


Which issue is it, Nights of Anger?

 

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Charlii  839 posts
Registered: May '05
Date Posted: 8/22/08 12:37am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Issue 18. Haazen's order to Lucien is actually "Find the source of this dark power, then report back to me"...

 
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Zorrixor  4363 posts
Registered: Sep '04
42757_Prince Xizor
Date Posted: 8/22/08 2:04am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/22/08 2:08am (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
yodaminch posted:
Kenobi_Kid posted:
Does anyone else wonder whether or not Krynda is even still alive? I mean, the last time we saw her was in a flashback, and Haazen seems awfully quick to prevent anyone from coming in contact with her. I know he claims that she's with Watchcicrle Cthulu at the moment, but I'm starting to think that maybe she's not anywhere. Alive, that is.


I think she's a vegetable. If she were dead, Lucien and/or the Covenant would have sensed it. It's already been proven that they can sense the death of others in the Covenant and Krynda is a pretty big death. The fact that no one ever sees her and she's always meditating makes me think vegetable.

Vegetable you suggest?

And someone else mentioned there's a table that looks like a coffin?

Could it be a second oubliette? "Vegetablised" inside the oubliette? thinking

I have to say I've somewhat mixed feelings about her. It feels a bit odd that we'd have such a large character dead before we even get to know her, but it would be interesting. Reading the talk about Haazen, so the issue doesn't outright have him declare himself a Sith? Hmm. I suppose its feasible in that case he may just be totally insane and in Jacen-"I can use Sith teachings to defeat the Sith" mode. Right now though I'd rather he have planned this all along and be evil, not just suffering shell shock from the Sith War.

 
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Grey1  1723 posts
Registered: Nov '00
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Date Posted: 8/22/08 2:17am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
I guess now the doors are wide open for the suggestion that the Force sent the asteroid vision in order to set things into motion for Haazen's destruction grin

It's hard to believe that the main story will rest for two months, though, with the flashback issue essentially 'stalling' wink

As there's some info in the letters column on the Sunriders not being used in the near future, I guess they won't be around next issue. They still haven't cleared up the situation with that car manufacturer, have they (and I suppose that means they never will, so we'll only get Vima once she's married with a different surname)?

 

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sithreaper  871 posts
Registered: Oct '04
14908_Mace Windu
Date Posted: 8/22/08 3:27am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Help me out please team, why did Saul open fire on the councils Jedi’s?

 
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Zorrixor  4363 posts
Registered: Sep '04
42757_Prince Xizor
Date Posted: 8/22/08 4:40am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/22/08 5:00am (2 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
Well I finally got the comic... fantastic issue. grin

Not sure on the demon hat at the end though... looked a bit dorky. tongue

It's a nice tie in with the old TotJ Sith Empire appearances though, since if its meant to be a Sith artifact then at least its in keeping with the bizzare looks TotJ had. I just hope he survives to be THE Sith threat of the Mandalorian Wars.

Part of me though is left wondering if he's just utterly insane though, not Sith, but, Haazen also feels like the kind of follower Exar Kun may have produced, in that I could easily see in the next issue Haazen joining Kun to learn the "secrets" the Masters were keeping from them. I can also see Haazen then turning his back on Kun for some reason and just becoming crazy, a la Kreia, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Though it would be the most cliche option, I'd still enjoy it if he declared himself a Darth next issue. tongue

He strikes me as more likely to go the way of Lumiya though as "merely" being the acolyte who kickstarts the birth of the next order (only, uh, Revan actually manages it, unlike Caedus). If he isn't THE Sith hinted at then I'd be curious how they plan to work that into the story too, which is leaning me toward thinking he probably IS the Sith, else it'd possibly be getting too confusing. (Until the Campaign Guide I'd have accepted that they didn't plan to involve the initial Sith threat in the story, but the teasers about the new Mandalore feel too deliberate for it not to be relevant.)

If Haazen is a bona fide Brotherhood of the Sith leftover, then the Covenant would certainly fit the bill as a continuation of said Brotherhood, just with Haazen having twisted reality into making them all think they were the "True Jedi" when really they were Dark Jedi. Which, conveniently, is what Kun did at first too when he "destroyed" the Sith Holocron.

I can't help but feel teased at the use of the term "True Jedi" though... what with the "True Sith" and all. tongue
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Help me out please team, why did Saul open fire on the councils Jedi’s?

I don't think Saul did. Remember, in the last issue when Saul was talking to Xamar about how all the ships were linked together under the same automated control? mischief

I think Haazen just had access to the big red button. Saul's probably tearing his hair out on the bridge screaming at the techs to get control of his fleet back. skull

 
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sithreaper  871 posts
Registered: Oct '04
14908_Mace Windu
Date Posted: 8/22/08 4:53am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Zorrixor posted:
sithreaper posted:
Help me out please team, why did Saul open fire on the councils Jedi’s?

I don't think Saul did. Remember, in the last issue when Saul was talking to Xamar about how all the ships were linked together under the same automated control? mischief

I think Haazen just had access to the big red button. Saul's probably tearing his hair out on the bridge screaming at the techs to get control of his fleet back. skull


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SlackJawedJedi  1111 posts
Registered: May '04
6482_Exar Kun
Date Posted: 8/22/08 5:19am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
Sith. Fan. Hit.

Heh, I live it when this happens. Everything just goes nuts and we've got no real explanation. Awesome, awesome issue.

 

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Jmacq1  1730 posts
Registered: May '05
23590_Darth Revan
Date Posted: 8/22/08 6:12am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
cbagmjg posted:
Didn't Haazen practically make it clear..."And your special relationship with the force. Yes, I know of that. Sudden reversals of fortune are your business.


They actually created an ability in the KotOR Campaign Guide (For the Star Wars RPG) that reflects this oh-so-perfectly. It's brilliant in its' simplicity, and as far as the characters statted in the book go, Zayne's the only one who has it.

 
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Zorrixor  4363 posts
Registered: Sep '04
42757_Prince Xizor
Date Posted: 8/22/08 7:03am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/22/08 7:13am (1 edits total) Edited By: Zorrixor
I'm curious of the philosophical depth behind what seems to basically be "Force luck". It makes perfect sense as a feat in the RPG but one would assume, given how deep the comic story has been, that there will be more to it than Zayne just being especially lucky.

Part of me is half thinking Zayne is Atton. I'd rather not though. tongue

I'd like to be able to say "Lucien was just paranoid, Zayne's special relationship is harmless and just part of what makes him a good Jedi" but Haazen's interest in it presumably implies an alterior motive. Is a lucky Jedi of any use to him? Or is a lucky Jedi simply a threat to him that needs eliminating? thinking

Although, that said, if Haazen wanted Zayne dead... why did he want him brought back alive? Why not just get Lucien to kill him? Unless Haazen is still convinced Zayne is a destined to become a Sith Lord, what use has a Sith got in Zayne?

Of course, Zayne has pretty much just become the shatterpoint on which the Jedi Order has been irrepairably fractured. This is almost certainly going to cause Revan and Malak to make their move and we've got Haazen in the open, meaning both Mandalorians and Sith and yet the High Council continued to refuse to do anything during the war. So, was Haazen less interested in Zayne's ability, than he was on having foreseen Zayne as the key that brought about the rise of Revan and Malak?

I still feel there's got to be more to it than that though.

 
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