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JaySkywalker01 Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 8/1/08 7:33am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Rouge77 posted: Of course, currently old fashioned redemption has given way to ambiguous redemption, without certainty. It seems people want to leave too much "open to the imagination"...I'd rather know if someone is swimming through the Netherworld or burning in Chaos!! -----signature----- Jay: "Ben Franklin said, speak softly and carry a big stick!" Carnage: Uhm, Ben Franklin was more like "Speak Loud, Get Wasted, and use his "Stick" on French Women." Oh yeah....
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PointGiven Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 8/1/08 9:18pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/1/08 9:20pm (3 edits total) Edited By: PointGiven
	darthmohican posted: He is defiantly a likable Jedi. Pretty level headed as compared to the rest of the Covenant. Although it hurts me to say it, I don't see him surviving for very long. I'm hoping otherwise though I'm hoping he does do, but I doubt it. For me it's a question of whether Lucien or Haazen kills him, based on the covers of this issue and the next. My far fetched guess that somewhat fits the prophecy (though not really) is that the Draay Estate is strafed by Republic fighters, or hit from orbit, killing Xamar (The estate seems to be in flames in #33). This, I severely doubt. I think Xamar's current actions have changed his fate in the prophecy. -----signature----- Think you can name the most important Sith Lords? Test your knowledge: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Caedus/sith_lords Also test your SW military knowledge with the Wars of Star Wars: http://www.sporcle.com/games/Caedus/wars_starwars
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/1/08 9:59pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Didn't Xamar say something like he was looking at the wrong future? So, as Yoda said, always in motion is the future, but this might still go either way, since we know the Covenant is more corrupt than the Seers suspect. Of course, I wouldn't be too surprised if Xamar thinks he had avoided the fate he saw in the Rogue Moon vision only to end up dying anyway. And yeah, while Xamar did kill his own Padawan, at least he's trying to make some amends, unlike Raana who was just crazy, and Feln seems to have always been a jerk, and now Lucien's too stubborn to admit they might've been wrong, and Q'anilia looks like she's falling apart. Though its still very strange to see Xamar working with Zayne and Gryph. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Shadojoker Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 8/1/08 11:09pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	wow..am i the only one that thinks that Zayne would be the COOOLEST SITH with the talisman and that dark robe....if it wasnt a ruse...oh my..i would crap my pants!! Shadojoker -----signature----- "Shadojoker knows what your future holds!!!" Clone Wars Cartoon Defense Force - Jedi Squad Official Director of Entertainment & Part-time Bartender of the 3SA cantina Un-official Critic and Player Hater of 3SA
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 8/1/08 11:51pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	PointGiven posted: My far fetched guess that somewhat fits the prophecy (though not really) is that the Draay Estate is strafed by Republic fighters, or hit from orbit, killing Xamar (The estate seems to be in flames in #33). This, I severely doubt. I think Xamar's current actions have changed his fate in the prophecy. I really hope Haazen torches the place, but an orbital strike actually does sound possible. If Haazen and/or Lucien do something bad at the Draay Estate, I can possible see Saul pressing the big red button on Malak's advice.
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Ulicus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 8/2/08 3:18am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Zorrixor posted: "My life for hers" - Xamar "My life for yours" - Visas Mere coincidence or not? KRYNDA DRAAY IS THE EXILE! I'm pleased to see a Vodo show up. -----signature----- This is an imaginary story... aren't they all supposed to fit together, though? An animated cartoon about Obi-Wan and Padawan Anakin would have made more sense. Recipient of Golden Ewok™ and Golden EwokTrooper™
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 8/2/08 7:40am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	What strikes me about Xamar is that he's always been the reticent one in this deal. Even when they had the vision, he was the one voicing dissent: KotOR #5 posted: Isss it sso ssimple? The ssshifting placessss, the chaosss -- the meaning may not be dissstinct. When Lucien wants to kill them immediately: KotoR #5 posted: No, Lucien! We must return to Tarisss! We mussst confer with Corusscant! ... You ssspeak fo rthe Covenant now? No! You are the hand, no tthe mind! WE sssay what we sssaw, or I do nothing! After meeting with the Council: KotOR #9 posted: I do not underssstand why we do not tell them all we have foressseen for Zayne... If they knew what isss at ssstake -- I've always thought he might end up being the "one who lives." At this point I certainly hope so; it seems he's the only one in the Covenant with a functioning conscience. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Zorrixor Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 8/2/08 11:04am Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Master_Keralys posted: I've always thought he might end up being the "one who lives." At this point I certainly hope so; it seems he's the only one in the Covenant with a functioning conscience. - Keralys I think his will be a tragic fate, as opposed to Feln and Raana, but I'm expecting him to die as per Q'Anilia's part of the prophecy "Not you too, Xamar?". I'm expecting Q'Anilia to survive on that basis. What I find highly interesting now though is the implication Xamar confesses but Q'Anilia survives, which means the one that survives is not necessarily the same as the one who confesses. Meaning, after it all goes down, will Q'Anilia own up too, or will we be in an unexpected position where Xamar has confessed, but Q'Anilia survives and stays with Lucien. That'd be hugely unfortunate for Zayne. Lucien would sweet talk Q'Anilia into denying all knowledge, discrediting Xamar as much as it may hurt her to do so, leaving Zayne (and Alek now too!) in a completely untenable position. Lucien would still be on the Council, Q'Anilia would be tearing herself up inside, Zayne would still be "a Sith", Alek would be bundled in as Zayne's accomplice. Cue Revanchist defection. I'd be doubly intrigued if we ended up in a position where Lucien and Haazen fell out. Lucien would still be on the Council, "a Jedi", but he'd be a fraud, his family's reputation ruined, all credibility gone. Haazen would be on the run, arguably in a prime position to kickstart the Mandalorian War into the next gear, working alone, with Lucien now cursing his name.
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JaySkywalker01 Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 8/2/08 1:46pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Shadojoker posted: wow..am i the only one that thinks that Zayne would be the COOOLEST SITH with the talisman and that dark robe....if it wasnt a ruse...oh my..i would crap my pants!! Shadojoker I think thats the reaction he's hoping the Covenant has....haha -----signature----- Jay: "Ben Franklin said, speak softly and carry a big stick!" Carnage: Uhm, Ben Franklin was more like "Speak Loud, Get Wasted, and use his "Stick" on French Women." Oh yeah....
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ARC-77 Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 8/2/08 4:47pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Rouge77 posted: Of course, currently old fashioned redemption has given way to ambiguous redemption, without certainty. True, but of all the current material, KOTOR seems to be the one keeping to the themes of the OT. I still don't think it likely he lives, much less is really given a real shot at redemption, but of all the Covenant, Xamar is certainly the only one who seems repentant. -----signature----- Arvel Crynyd didn't crash into the bridge of the Executor. Kyle threw his A-Wing at it. -CernStormrunner
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Carnage04 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 8/3/08 3:42pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Master_Keralys posted: What strikes me about Xamar is that he's always been the reticent one in this deal. Even when they had the vision, he was the one voicing dissent: KotOR #5 posted: Isss it sso ssimple? The ssshifting placessss, the chaosss -- the meaning may not be dissstinct. When Lucien wants to kill them immediately: KotoR #5 posted: No, Lucien! We must return to Tarisss! We mussst confer with Corusscant! ... You ssspeak fo rthe Covenant now? No! You are the hand, no tthe mind! WE sssay what we sssaw, or I do nothing! After meeting with the Council: KotOR #9 posted: I do not underssstand why we do not tell them all we have foressseen for Zayne... If they knew what isss at ssstake -- I've always thought he might end up being the "one who lives." At this point I certainly hope so; it seems he's the only one in the Covenant with a functioning conscience. - Keralys I've been noticing since the first Arc that Xamar doesn't seem to be on the same page as the other Covenant members. I always felt that he fell victim to Group Think. He knew what they were doing felt very wrong but it was right in the minds of four (Three, I don't think he cared much for Lucien) friends that he completely trusted...making him the "Wrong" one. On the other hand, perhaps his actions now are just a consequence of his allegiance towards Krynda. He knows that the Covenant is in trouble but Haazen or Krynda have wanted Zayne brought to them for some time. Perhaps his confession will be some type of sacrifice to fulfill that task. After all, at the end of the last issue I see no way that Xamar is allowed to take Zayne and Gryph to the estate without striking some type of compromise.... -----signature----- Carnage I Finally decided to use a signature after 3500 posts! 3500 posts * 7 Characters = 24500 keystrokes wasted
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MasterKnack Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 8/3/08 4:37pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1 - Date Edited: 8/3/08 5:32pm (5 edits total) Edited By: MasterKnack
	Speculation: I think maybe you all might be thinking too shortsightedly. Could it be possible that instead of Xamar being killed by orbital bombardment, which I think is a little silly. Is it not possible that Xamar ends up with the Revanchist Faction after this and is latter killed at Malachor V (Mass Shadow Generator being the "Friendly Fire") or killed even latter when Revan returns from Unkown Regions with his StarForge Fleets. Just a thought perhaps as visions are not always that easy to decipher or that simple. Also I agree Xamar is at the very least the coolest members of the Covenant. Much more interesting then Raana Tey or Feln. and at the moment far more interesting then Lucien, or at least until...Lucien becomes Darth Sion. I'm telling you all now, that that will happen.
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Carnage04 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 8/3/08 7:15pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	MasterKnack posted: Speculation: I think maybe you all might be thinking too shortsightedly. Could it be possible that instead of Xamar being killed by orbital bombardment, which I think is a little silly. Is it not possible that Xamar ends up with the Revanchist Faction after this and is latter killed at Malachor V (Mass Shadow Generator being the "Friendly Fire") or killed even latter when Revan returns from Unkown Regions with his StarForge Fleets. Just a thought perhaps as visions are not always that easy to decipher or that simple. I always assumed after seeing the vision that he would break away from the Covenant, join the war effort, and die when Revan and company turn....which of course is at the end of the Mando wars. However, it seemed that this entire Covenant story is coming to an end. Unless they plan on making it so his actions turning himself in change his fate in some way....he is supposed to die before Q'Nalia finds her vision to be true. It would appear, with the action moving to the Covenant headquarters, that Q'Nalia's vision happens before the war ends. Whatever the case, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. -----signature----- Carnage I Finally decided to use a signature after 3500 posts! 3500 posts * 7 Characters = 24500 keystrokes wasted
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QuinineVos Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 8/3/08 7:24pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Carnage04 posted: MasterKnack posted: Speculation: I think maybe you all might be thinking too shortsightedly. Could it be possible that instead of Xamar being killed by orbital bombardment, which I think is a little silly. Is it not possible that Xamar ends up with the Revanchist Faction after this and is latter killed at Malachor V (Mass Shadow Generator being the "Friendly Fire") or killed even latter when Revan returns from Unkown Regions with his StarForge Fleets. Just a thought perhaps as visions are not always that easy to decipher or that simple. I always assumed after seeing the vision that he would break away from the Covenant, join the war effort, and die when Revan and company turn....which of course is at the end of the Mando wars. However, it seemed that this entire Covenant story is coming to an end. Unless they plan on making it so his actions turning himself in change his fate in some way....he is supposed to die before Q'Nalia finds her vision to be true. It would appear, with the action moving to the Covenant headquarters, that Q'Nalia's vision happens before the war ends. Whatever the case, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Nothing in the vision on the Rogue moon indicated a time sequence of the events. The fact that they have happened so far in the sequence they were drawn in the comic is no proof that Xamar "is supposed to die before Q'anilla finds her vision to be true."
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MasterKnack Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 8/3/08 8:50pm Subject: RE: Knights of the Old Republic #32: Vindication, part 1
	Yes but visions are tricky things to understand. Look at Anakin/Vader he saw visions of Padme's death and did everything to prevent it only to be the catalyst to bring it about. Xamar saw his death and did what he thought was necessary to avoid it. Perhaps, by doing so he will have actually caused it to occur in the future. "Always in motion the future is." It would be a rather Ironic moment, and some interesting story telling. Once again this all merely speculation.
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