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My Little Villip...Tahiri Controversy ((Possible Spoilers))
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DarkestSith
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5/11 9:41pm
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My Little Villip...Tahiri Controversy ((Possible Spoilers))
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For Starters, if you havent read Kegacy of the Force this will contain Spoilers of what Tahiri will become.
First, I want to say that Tahiri was my second favortie character coming out of the New Jedi Order series. Here dual role as Vong and Jedi was pretty cool. But, when she turned into Jacen's puppet, I just thought that was mostly below her. She went through this trial became a woman and worked out who she was, she would have more control overherself than to let Jacen manipulate her like that. Any one else agree? Now after eliminating Pellaeon she is the most hated character in Legacy for me.
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Robimus
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Somehow, for me, she is just unimportant. Pellaeon was a favorite of mine, but somehow I didn't hate Tahiri for the act. I looked at it more as being Caedus's apprentice doing the deed, than attaching full blame too Tahiri. Of course I can see how upsetting it would be for someone who liked Tahiri ahead of time. I still think Lumiya or Alema should have been in that spot.
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Charlemagne19
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Robimus posted:
Somehow, for me, she is just unimportant. Pellaeon was a favorite of mine, but somehow I didn't hate Tahiri for the act. I looked at it more as being Caedus's apprentice doing the deed, than attaching full blame too Tahiri. Of course I can see how upsetting it would be for someone who liked Tahiri ahead of time. I still think Lumiya or Alema should have been in that spot.
Eh, Pellaeon was a valid military target. Tahiri did nothing that was illegal.
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Robimus
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Robimus posted:
Somehow, for me, she is just unimportant. Pellaeon was a favorite of mine, but somehow I didn't hate Tahiri for the act. I looked at it more as being Caedus's apprentice doing the deed, than attaching full blame too Tahiri. Of course I can see how upsetting it would be for someone who liked Tahiri ahead of time. I still think Lumiya or Alema should have been in that spot.
Eh, Pellaeon was a valid military target. Tahiri did nothing that was illegal.
His death definitly effected the outcome of Fondor. Pellaeon was in error having Tahiri on board at all. All I wanted was an Imperial State Funeral!!!! I half suspect Daala has his body frozen some place.........
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YodaKenobi
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5/11 10:25pm
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DarkestSith posted:
Kegacy of the Force
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Damn, I was just about to jump on that . . .
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As far as I'm concerned, the Tahiri controversy begins with the N.J.O. Greg Keyes depicted the character perfectly, but post-Anakin, she degenerated into a melodramatic mess. I understand loss...but how many different books dealt with Tahiri "finally coming to terms" with Anakin's death? The repetition evinced a lack of communication between authors -- which isn't necessarily anyone's fault, but frustrating nevertheless from a reader's perspective.
Still, it seems to me that teenagers are capable of bouncing back after tragedy. Maturation does not have to involve sacrificing your personality to meld with a Yuuzhan Vong doppleganger. I loved Tahiri in J.J.K. and would love to see her develop...but not to the point of becoming a totally different character. Real people change, but not that much.
Was Tahiri relegated to the role of Unresolved Sob Story because the writing staff was disinterested in her fate? She's been more prominent in Legacy of the Force, but turning her into a Sith is overcompensation and frankly unbelievable.
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Charlemagne19
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Robimus posted:
His death definitly effected the outcome of Fondor. Pellaeon was in error having Tahiri on board at all. All I wanted was an Imperial State Funeral!!!! I half suspect Daala has his body frozen some place.........
Pellaeon was in error allowing the Moffs to trust Jacen Solo at all.
When Luke Skywalker abandons one's post then you have no business allying with a man like him.
Pellaeon was right in thinking the Empire would benefit most from picking up the pieces.
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Robimus
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Pellaeon was in error allowing the Moffs to trust Jacen Solo at all.
When Luke Skywalker abandons one's post then you have no business allying with a man like him.
Pellaeon was right in thinking the Empire would benefit most from picking up the pieces.
I don't think Pellaeon had enough influence left to control the Moff's any longer, and I agree that he was intrigued with the idea of picking up the peices left by the GA. From everything I've seen it was only a matter of time until Quille or another took control anyway. The plot was already in place.
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I'm still positive the character in LOTF isn't Tahiri at all. She's an apprentice who they decided they could slide into as Tahiri to help satisfy the needs of Anakin's fans. The real Tahiri wasn't a weepy, emotional wreck over Anakin at the end of NJO so why now?
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DarkestSith
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I think you are right T-Boy, Tahiri went from being a strong, defined Jedi peace keeper on Zonoma Sekot to being a crying weepy, weak willed villip for Jacen. As far as Pellaeon goes, he had the control over the Moff's till the moment he died. Sure they plotted against him but he knew it and could thwart them easily.
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Thrawn McEwok
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I'm definitely one of the fans who thinks that canon has mis-used this character recently.
Tahiri was one of the strongest characters in the NJO, I thought. I didn't even mind the Force Heretic plotline that much, although I agree that the authors were trying to find their feet, especially in Remnant: they get points for sincerity, though.
In DN3 and "Legacy of the Force", I was disappointed by the lack of attention given to the character, although I thought that Tahiri's characterization through to Inferno could be made to make sense. I assumed that the underlying strength was there, and just needed a chance to bounce back.
She was barely in Fury, so that doesn't matter.
Revelation just... bewildered... me. While it might have been technidally well-done as writing, it read to me as if the author simply hadn't understood the character's ultimately positive response to the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Maybe that reflects a difficulty finding a psychologically convincing POV to fit the plot, but who knows.
It was pretty much at this point that I gave up on the Star Wars franchise. I still care about the characters (well, Han, Tahiri, Jacen, Jaina, Kyp, DT:R!Jag, and Anakin Solo), but I've learned not to expect them to appear in canon.
Invincible, I've not seen yet, obviously. I like Troy Denning's books - Inferno is my favourite Star Wars novel in recent years - but I'm not sure that I'll risk getting my hopes up to be dashed by later stories...
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DarkestSith
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I dont know. I really enjoyed her remade image as a Jedi with all the knowledge of Nen Yim. And I saw her one of the most powerful Jedi coming out of NJO, with the exception of Jacen probably the most powerful of her generation. She was as sure and steady as any Master with passion and potential worthy of becoming a Solo/Skywalker. The way she becomes Jacen's apprentice though just seems like walking backwards...all of a sudden she isnt as sure and composed as she was in Unifying Force. I can understand her never wantign the galaxy to erupt into war like during the NJO era and to that end joining Jacen but not being a little puppy to his Anakin treats.
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I agree; Tahiri as a character has suffered second only to Anakin and Luke in the DR-era. The problem was, Anakin was her 'anchor' in the books. With his death, her anchor was gone - and writers don't seem to have known what to do with her after this.
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
It was pretty much at this point that I gave up on the Star Wars franchise. I still care about the characters [...] but I've learned not to expect them to appear in canon.
A nice statement that sums it up completely.
I never was on the JINO train, but I think when too much exists In-Name-Only, you can't really invest any interest in a franchise. When Betrayal set Jacen on the Sith path, I rolled my eyes at the Vergere retcon but I was willing to see if anything good would come out of it. Several books later, I didn't recoginze anything anymore. This is not the franchise I read. Tahiri was the second character that was really, really obviously rewritten, and if you take a closer look, they had rewritten characters, settings etc to fit the story from the start. Han putting Corellia's sovereignity over his relationship to Luke? Please...
But to come back to your statement, years ago Amazon has a survey regarding Harry Potter in which they asked for one's favourite character/hero/protagonist in literature. Fitting with the theme of my "I don't read HP" answers, I chose Jacen Solo. It still leaves me dumbfounded to see that from my point of view, there hasn't been a book about the character or his fictional universe since The Unifying Force, and there will never, ever be such a book again. Comic-Legacy is the closest there is because of the thoughtful inclusion of the Vong, and even there I have to squint really, really hard to not see Vergere in the Krayt origin story.
So yeah, the Tahiri controversy is deeply rooted in the "dude where's my expanded universe?" controversy, and therefore this thread will most likely sail on the brink of negativity and arguable off-topicness.
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Thrawn McEwok posted:
It was pretty much at this point that I gave up on the Star Wars franchise. I still care about the characters (well, Han, Tahiri, Jacen, Jaina, Kyp, DT:R!Jag, and Anakin Solo), but I've learned not to expect them to appear in canon.
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I find this statement disturbing.......
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