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Quiet_Mandalorian
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I would fully support such a development. 
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johnboy3441
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Jedimarine posted:
Typho, Dorme, and Boss Nass? What kind of twisted love triangle is that!
You think that's twisted? Guess what? Dormé isn't the one being fought over.
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BobaMatt posted:
Also as much as he grates, I mean...I really want to like Jar Jar, in an EU story.
I'm still holding out hope for an appearance by Boss Binks sometime after LOTF.
And heh, back when TPM first came out, I was really hoping for a Bravo Squadron book series starring Ric Olie. I was so young and dumb.
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I love this thread so much.
I really hope that eventually a post-ROTS Panaka/Typho book is written. It may take 20 years for them to capitalize on this tiny little mention in a sourcebook, a la Mindor, but I think it will happen eventually.
The thing about Panaka being a Moff is that I think that it neither makes him a Moff with reservations or an evil bastard. We've seen him, we know he is an honest fellow who cares about his job and the well being of his people. I doubt Palpatine would have a gift from Panaka with him on the Death Star if he wasn't a trusted and loyal supporter. What it shows is that the Moffship (not the ship, but the institution of Moffs) wasn't what we saw it to be from the rebel POV. Sure there were some bad men in there, since the Empire allowed those kinds to thrive, but it also contained nationalists like Panaka who thought they were being good and doing their patriotic duty, and did not see their actions or the Empire as evil. It gives a much greater perspective on things. It makes you realize that our heroes of today (the PT) will quite often become our villains of tomorrow. I am only disappointed that to my knowledge we never saw any young rebel leaders in the CIS.
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To pick up on the mention of his possibly ending up in the Remnant -- I'd love that. It would just be an awesome little touch to see Panaka as part of the Imperial Remnant. I mean, talk about integrating the prequels. That's way beyond just silly name-drops of past events and we-find-out-about-what-happened subplots -- that's integration.
Though he'd probably have to be dead by 19 ABY to explain why he doesn't show up in the Mofferences in HOT.
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Charlemagne19
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It gives a much greater perspective on things. It makes you realize that our heroes of today (the PT) will quite often become our villains of tomorrow. I am only disappointed that to my knowledge we never saw any young rebel leaders in the CIS.
Of course, there's also the fact that this kind of argument was used by many Vichy.
The problem is that eventually all of them must face "What do I do when I enforce obviously evil decrees?"
The punishment for speaking out against the Empire and Sedition is 25 years in Prison or Death.
You either have them ignore this BASIC law (a Moff with Reservations) or enforce it (and then they're guilty of oppression).
The Empire's evil wasn't isolated, it was part of the institution.
If Moff Panaka had all those celebrators shot, then he deserves to be hung himself.
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It wasn't until I read the title of this thread that I realized I want a sitcom featuring Palps and Panaka (Palpaka?) either running a shop or living together, Odd Couple-style.
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awesome.
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Of course, there's also the fact that this kind of argument was used by many Vichy.
But that's kind of the point of that statement, non?
I was disappointed the movies didn't show us Rebels among the CIS, too. Not in AotC, where they were supposed to be villains, but certainly in RotS, where we learn that, yes, the Republic is irredeemably bad, so bad that it becomes the Empire, and maybe it wasn't such a bad idea to leave it after all...yeah, a few Mon Cals, a starbird here and there, maybe a young Mon Mothma...that'd have been awesome...
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Charlemagne19
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BobaMatt posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
Of course, there's also the fact that this kind of argument was used by many Vichy.
But that's kind of the point of that statement, non?
I was disappointed the movies didn't show us Rebels among the CIS, too. Not in AotC, where they were supposed to be villains, but certainly in RotS, where we learn that, yes, the Republic is irredeemably bad, so bad that it becomes the Empire, and maybe it wasn't such a bad idea to leave it after all...yeah, a few Mon Cals, a starbird here and there, maybe a young Mon Mothma...that'd have been awesome...
I don't mind it being mostly grunts.
You have to be irredeemably stupid to trust a government run by Corporate Heads even if the rallying cry is independence.
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And yet I think the lesson Dark Times EU keeps trying to teach us is that the Republic was that bad for many people, and that there were a great number of worlds joining the CIS because they were yearning for the glimmer of a hope of a chance of a possibility of a better life.
I don't mean big names - though that'd make sense, perhaps - but certainly some familiar races/ship classes.
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In I, Palpatine,
When Palpatine first came to power, Panaka's father was an investigator. His father asked Palpatine if he could put in a good word for his son. At that point, Palpatine said that he would get Panaka's son into the Royal Guard. That was a step up in society, and in doing so, he gained the Panaka family as servants for life.
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Charlemagne19
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BobaMatt posted:
And yet I think the lesson Dark Times EU keeps trying to teach us is that the Republic was that bad for many people, and that there were a great number of worlds joining the CIS because they were yearning for the glimmer of a hope of a chance of a possibility of a better life.
I don't mean big names - though that'd make sense, perhaps - but certainly some familiar races/ship classes.
Lucas agrees in the opening crawl of ROTS. "Heroes on both sides."
I actually always had the fun idea that Palpatine solidified his hold on the Republic partially by deliberately encouraging his detractors to leave the Republic.
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Christian36 posted:
In I, Palpatine,
When Palpatine first came to power, Panaka's father was an investigator. His father asked Palpatine if he could put in a good word for his son. At that point, Palpatine said that he would get Panaka's son into the Royal Guard. That was a step up in society, and in doing so, he gained the Panaka family as servants for life.
Is this true?\
Charlemagne19 posted:
Lucas agrees in the opening crawl of ROTS. "Heroes on both sides."
Now if only he'd demonstrated it. The last few issues of Republic got it right. I would have liked to see the CIS helping out the Jedi when they realized that the bastard Republic turned on them, too.
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Charlemagne19
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Actually, I think the canon story is that Captain Panaka found a "Death House" where King Veruuna (and its implied-Palpatine) stored the dead bodies of political opponents.
After the corpse house is blown up, Sate Pestage (was it? or someone else?) got Panaka a job to shut him up.
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