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BobaMatt
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5/14 7:31am
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Now King Veruna...that's a person that needs to be explored. I was always under the impression that he and Palpatine were in cahoots until Veruna learned too much.
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Charlemagne19
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BobaMatt posted:
Now King Veruna...that's a person that needs to be explored. I was always under the impression that he and Palpatine were in cahoots until Veruna learned too much.
It seemed to be more the case that Palpatine used him as the Fall Guy while he established ties with the Hutts and other groups that would eventually propel him to the Senate's heights.
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BobaMatt
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Hm...perhaps I should have specified that "in cahoots" with Palpatine usually means Palpatine is using you until you outlive your usefulness.
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How old was King Veruna, anyway? I kinda hope he's no older than twenty at the time he is kicked out.
Just to stick with the theme.
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5/14 8:17am
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Havac posted:
To pick up on the mention of his possibly ending up in the Remnant -- I'd love that. It would just be an awesome little touch to see Panaka as part of the Imperial Remnant. I mean, talk about integrating the prequels. That's way beyond just silly name-drops of past events and we-find-out-about-what-happened subplots -- that's integration.
Though he'd probably have to be dead by 19 ABY to explain why he doesn't show up in the Mofferences in HOT.
Or retired and/or defected. Panaka seems like one to have more loyalty to his homeworld than to any galactic government. I'd imagine he was one of the Imperials mentioned in Before the Storm that was more loyal to their posts than to the Empire.
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Charlemagne19
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I just like the idea after Palpatine died, within 2 minutes, Panaka has people with guns arresting him in his office.
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Jedimarine
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I always pictured Panaka in a courtroom, prosecuting Hutts. 
Maybe as a Moff, he was a local enforcer...never raised his head up too high...let the rebels be so long as they didn't disturb the peace of his domain.
Bring him back in the book where Leia and Luke visit Padme's grave.
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Why wouldn't Panaka stay loyal to the Empire?
Clearly in Phantom Menace he knows that the Republic doesn't work and change is needed.
He also sees that Jedi are not to be trusted in how he always argues with Qui-Gon.
He is a patriot, and I would expect him to serve the Empire and be happy that its less corrupt then the Republic.
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So long as he considers it less corrupt.
As edged as he is...I don't think Panaka was to be taken as a man about "order above all else".
If he sees oppression of the people called "order", I think he would have reservations.
But there again, I do believe if he were a moff in a "non-active" sector...he could have the blinders on completely...go about the business of the Empire...and truly be honest about the whole thing.
Would be interested to know WHERE he was stationed as a moff...how they react to the fall of the Empire might shine light on Panaka's performance. Was it back on Naboo? We know the citizens of Naboo weren't happy with Palpy...and he was one their own!
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ThrawnRocks
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Of course, there's also the fact that this kind of argument was used by many Vichy.
I'm not saying that the new perspective on the Empire and the Moffs makes them good. What it does is change our perception of them from mustache twirling villains to people doing bad things while the honestly think they are doing good, and not just for their own selfish purposes. That I find an inherently more interesting characterization. Of course what they are doing is evil, but all to often these people seem over the top, while in reality everyone thinks that they are the hero of the story.
On the same note, this makes us take a second look at these people when we watch the PT. Even if they seem to be good people, we know that in the future, many of them will be bad, and many will do bad things, which means that at this point they are probably not as good as they are made out to be.
Charlemagne19 posted:
I just like the idea after Palpatine died, within 2 minutes, Panaka has people with guns arresting him in his office.
I love this idea as well. If Panaka doesn't get his own book (or a book with Typho), this should at least show up in a short story.
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KaiburrCrystal posted:
He is a patriot, and I would expect him to serve the Empire and be happy that its less corrupt then the Republic.
Probably because...
1. The people of Naboo hate the Empire to the point of revolt and willingly join the new government. It's like saying "Why wouldn't he stay loyal to the Nazis" when the Nazis are kicked out of Germany and that would mean following them to Argentina.
2. The Empire collapses as of 5 years post Yavin.
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ThrawnRocks posted:
I'm not saying that the new perspective on the Empire and the Moffs makes them good. What it does is change our perception of them from mustache twirling villains to people doing bad things while the honestly think they are doing good, and not just for their own selfish purposes. That I find an inherently more interesting characterization. Of course what they are doing is evil, but all to often these people seem over the top, while in reality everyone thinks that they are the hero of the story.
On the same note, this makes us take a second look at these people when we watch the PT. Even if they seem to be good people, we know that in the future, many of them will be bad, and many will do bad things, which means that at this point they are probably not as good as they are made out to be.
True, on the other hand, it's problematic to attempt to portray the War against the Empire to be more ambigious than it was. It was an attempt to handle the Flash Gordon revolt against Ming the Merciless with shades of World War 2.
Palpatine and the officers serving him were a gang of thugs who killed anyone who disagreed with them. Worse, the people serving Palpatine and his gang of thugs had to enact horrible laws and enforce terrifying decrees unless they wanted to be killed themselves.
One could argue that Stalinist Russia, Cultural Revolution China, and Nazi Germany are overthetop but it would be more accurate to say the Empire wasn't the kind of ambigious war like WW1 was or most others.
There's been plenty of wonderful movies about Nazis who struggle with the realization there's something very wrong in the world around them. However, it disturbs me to think we're taking a literary version of the incarnation of Fascism and trying to make it seem lighter.
The empire isn't a RL government but its a metaphor for something very real and evil in the world.
Overall, I imagine Panaka's rule of the Empire in Naboo probably WAS as nice as the Empire could really be. However, it *SHOULD* be pointed out that even under "nice" Imperials, the people of Naboo consider Panaka to be a collaborator with oppressors than the real government.
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StateOfLoveAndTrust posted:
It wasn't until I read the title of this thread that I realized I want a sitcom featuring Palps and Panaka (Palpaka?) either running a shop or living together, Odd Couple-style.
Not bad, but I must say I still have to prefer my circa 1999 idea for a television sitcom detailing the wacky adventures of Captain Panaka, Sio Bibble, and Ric Olié: The Three Stooges of Naboo.
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BobaMatt
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Panaka pokes Bibble in the eye.
BIBBLE: "Ahhh! An eyesight disruption can only mean one thing!
OLIE: "He just poked you in the eye!"
PANAKA: "I'm a gangsta!"
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Jedimarine
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Maybe when he becomes a Moff he decides to sound more Coruscanti...and busts out the British accent!
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