| Author |
Topic:
Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
KaiburrCrystal
Registered:
Mar '08
|
Date Posted:
5/15 8:28am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Charlemagne19 posted:
KaiburrCrystal posted:
He is a patriot, and I would expect him to serve the Empire and be happy that its less corrupt then the Republic.
Probably because...
1. The people of Naboo hate the Empire to the point of revolt and willingly join the new government. It's like saying "Why wouldn't he stay loyal to the Nazis" when the Nazis are kicked out of Germany and that would mean following them to Argentina.
2. The Empire collapses as of 5 years post Yavin.
Why would the people of Naboo hate the Empire, when the Blockade of Naboo was why the Empire was needed. Thousands died, and it was the Republic's fault.
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Jedimarine
Registered:
Feb '01
|
Date Posted:
5/15 8:31am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
|
Thousands of people cheering in the streets of Theed at the end of ROTJ seems to make it pretty concrete there wasn't much love for the Empire on the sovereign's native orb.
-----signature-----
GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
BobaMatt
Title: TFN EU Staff
Registered:
Aug '02
|
Date Posted:
5/15 8:48am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
KaiburrCrystal posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
KaiburrCrystal posted:
He is a patriot, and I would expect him to serve the Empire and be happy that its less corrupt then the Republic.
Probably because...
1. The people of Naboo hate the Empire to the point of revolt and willingly join the new government. It's like saying "Why wouldn't he stay loyal to the Nazis" when the Nazis are kicked out of Germany and that would mean following them to Argentina.
2. The Empire collapses as of 5 years post Yavin.
Why would the people of Naboo hate the Empire, when the Blockade of Naboo was why the Empire was needed. Thousands died, and it was the Republic's fault.
You forget that 36 years passed between the Battle of Naboo and RotJ?
-----signature-----
The Clone Wars is OT quality good. Really. Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds. As Father and Son (An AU RP) - Looking for a few good replacements...see profile for info. http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Charlemagne19
Registered:
Jul '00
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:01am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Jedimarine posted:
Thousands of people cheering in the streets of Theed at the end of ROTJ seems to make it pretty concrete there wasn't much love for the Empire on the sovereign's native orb.
There's some conflicting reports really.
Palpatine has his retreat on Naboo and left the Queen in place.
However, the Gungans were said to hate the Empire plus the Naboo are a ridiculously Pro-Democracy people. They're Alderaan-light.
In Lucas' vision, the Empire didn't enjoy widespread support over most of the galaxy. Only the Core (and not all planets of the Core as Alderaan proves) which is a 5th of the territory and hardly the majority of the people (only most humans come from the Core---the galaxy has countless native species spread throughout it)
-----signature-----
Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Jedimarine
Registered:
Feb '01
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:02am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Maybe the people of Naboo never got over Padme dying and blamed Palps?
Wouldn't surprise me...there was a cult about her.
I would NOT be surprised if they didn't try to deify her...especially if it becomes broad public knowledge she's Luke and Leia's mommy.
The religion of Padme...wow...that would be cool if handled properly.
-----signature-----
GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Charlemagne19
Registered:
Jul '00
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:05am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Jedimarine posted:
Maybe the people of Naboo never got over Padme dying and blamed Palps?
Wouldn't surprise me...there was a cult about her.
I would NOT be surprised if they didn't try to deify her...especially if it becomes broad public knowledge she's Luke and Leia's mommy.
The religion of Padme...wow...that would be cool if handled properly.
To be fair, finding out she had an affair with Darth Vader must cramp the legend a bit.
Appointing Jar Jar is going to probably have its own consequences.
He probably has a reputation like Chamberlain.
-----signature-----
Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Jedimarine
Registered:
Feb '01
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:12am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
She slept with one of the most evil monster's in galactic memory, and conceived the saviors of galaxy from the union...
I think they could spin that.
Besides...I thought the Anakin=Vader thing WASN'T common knowledge? The cult could keep that one down, all the while playing up the motherhood aspect.
Half-truths.
Meh...Jar Jar can be seen as a forgone conclusion that the disaster about to be faced was inescapable...and that she was already dedicating herself to defend freedom.
-----signature-----
GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Ulicus
Registered:
Jul '05
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:21am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
- Date Edited:
5/15 9:21am (1 edits total)
Edited By:
Ulicus
|
Jedimarine posted:
Besides...I thought the Anakin=Vader thing WASN'T common knowledge?
Well, Padme = Luke + Leia has only just come out (and I don't know if that's on a public level, or just private), whereas Vader = Luke + Leia has been in the public domain for years by that point in time.
I can't remember when it became public, but it did. The GFFA have their own versions of the Star Wars movies, if I recall. As Trip (or was it McEwok?) has suggested, that's probably why you get so many jokes like: "Han shot first" and "It's a trap!" in universe. 
-----signature-----
Recipient of Golden Ewok™
Trip Cares
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
BobaMatt
Title: TFN EU Staff
Registered:
Aug '02
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:26am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Charlemagne19 posted:
To be fair, finding out she had an affair with Darth Vader must cramp the legend a bit.
Probably not. Anakin was also the Hero Without Fear...who then fell and strangled her. It's not like she was a collaborator. She was betrayed.
Jedimarine posted:
She slept with one of the most evil monster's in galactic memory, and conceived the saviors of galaxy from the union...
I think they could spin that.
RWoR: Rebel Womb of Redemption.
-----signature-----
The Clone Wars is OT quality good. Really. Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds. As Father and Son (An AU RP) - Looking for a few good replacements...see profile for info. http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Charlemagne19
Registered:
Jul '00
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:26am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Ulicus posted:
Jedimarine posted:
Besides...I thought the Anakin=Vader thing WASN'T common knowledge?
Well, Padme = Luke + Leia has only just come out (and I don't know if that's on a public level, or just private), whereas Vader = Luke + Leia has been in the public domain for years by that point in time.
I can't remember when it became public, but it did. The GFFA have their own versions of the Star Wars movies, if I recall. As Trip (or was it McEwok?) has suggested, that's probably why you get so many jokes like: "Han shot first" and "It's a trap!" in universe.
Han, Leia, and Luke getting a cut of the grosse might explain why they never seem to need to work.
-----signature-----
Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Jedimarine
Registered:
Feb '01
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:32am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Ulicus posted:
Jedimarine posted:
Besides...I thought the Anakin=Vader thing WASN'T common knowledge?
Well, Padme = Luke + Leia has only just come out (and I don't know if that's on a public level, or just private), whereas Vader = Luke + Leia has been in the public domain for years by that point in time.
I can't remember when it became public, but it did. The GFFA have their own versions of the Star Wars movies, if I recall. As Trip (or was it McEwok?) has suggested, that's probably why you get so many jokes like: "Han shot first" and "It's a trap!" in universe.
See...now I thought with the exception of the brass and the immediate company of the Big 3...it was pretty much not known...now perhaps if you really wanted to know, you could find the truth...but I thought the myth of Anakin dying at the temple and Vader being distinct were the "common thought" among galactic citizenry.
In fact, I thought that came up in LOTF...with Coruscanti people talking about Vader and not making the connection to Ben as his grandson.
I know there have been holovids of the Big 3 and the era (they exploit that in LOTF)...but do they actually mimic the films as WE saw them?
-----signature-----
GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Ulicus
Registered:
Jul '05
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:41am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
- Date Edited:
5/15 9:47am (1 edits total)
Edited By:
Ulicus
|
Jedimarine posted:
See...now I thought with the exception of the brass and the immediate company of the Big 3...it was pretty much not known...now perhaps if you really wanted to know, you could find the truth...but I thought the myth of Anakin dying at the temple and Vader being distinct were the "common thought" among galactic citizenry.
I'm sure that was the case, originally.
Jedimarine posted:
In fact, I thought that came up in LOTF...with Coruscanti people talking about Vader and not making the connection to Ben as his grandson.
LotF, funnily enough, is the first time I became aware that it *was* public.
People outside the Skywalker-Solo clan, common soldiers, talking about Jacen Solo and contrasting him to his "grandfather". And not just in a "He's like Darth Vader" kinda way, as in literally saying: "he's just like his grandfather". When even the common soldier knows, it's kinda hard to keep such things out of the pubic domain.
Jedimarine posted:
I know there have been holovids of the Big 3 and the era (they exploit that in LOTF)...but do they actually mimic the films as WE saw them?
Personally, I hope so. But then I've got this whole theory about how "Mark Hamill isn't Luke Skywalker, he's the actor who portrays the events of Luke Skywalker's life. Luke doesn't look like Hamill". And I apply that to all the actors.
In my view..
George recieves the "GFFA editions" and then remakes them as his films. (He'd have LOVED to have made better prequel films, but that's not what Voren provided him with.)
-----signature-----
Recipient of Golden Ewok™
Trip Cares
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
BobaMatt
Title: TFN EU Staff
Registered:
Aug '02
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:47am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
Ulicus posted:
George recieves the "GFFA editions" and then remakes them as his films.
Which ones are canon?
::head asplode::
-----signature-----
The Clone Wars is OT quality good. Really. Emperor Fel's badassery knows no bounds. As Father and Son (An AU RP) - Looking for a few good replacements...see profile for info. http://boards.theforce.net/role_playing_forum/b10328/28357048/p1/?10
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Jedimarine
Registered:
Feb '01
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:50am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
So this struggling art student who really likes flannel was walking along one day...
and out of the sky...a comet!
...and when the young man saw the tapes inside...he knew it was his destiny to rip them off and make them his own!
 jk
I wonder if 1138 is a running gag in the GFFA too.
-----signature-----
GO SEE "THE DARK KNIGHT"
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Ulicus
Registered:
Jul '05
|
Date Posted:
5/15 9:51am
Subject:
RE: Why did Panaka stay with Palpatine?
|
BobaMatt posted:
Ulicus posted:
George recieves the "GFFA editions" and then remakes them as his films.
Which ones are canon?
::head asplode::
Well, they're both "canon". The events happen, near enough, as they're depicted on screen. It's just in "reality" the people looked different.
It's the same thing as when you read a canon comic. Luke Skywalker isn't reproduced exactly as Mark Hamill, ever, but we still say: "yes, those things happened in his life". I just go one step further and apply it to the movies.
Hamill, Fisher and Ford "illustrate" the Big Three... but they're not the Big Three.
It's basically a situation where if... say... "Walk the Line" was 100% accurate.
-----signature-----
Recipient of Golden Ewok™
Trip Cares
|
|
|
Quote Reply |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
