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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:06pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	_Catherine_ posted: http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=9386719 Good luck, Quest. Ok- I know I tend to be on the optimistic side of things, but I can't help but think people are blowing this way out of proportion. First off, the Databank is one of the few SW sources that is fluid- this information could be temporary until they do a fully update later this year after they've worked out the retcons. Secondly, people are DEFINITELY jumping the gun if you think that one small detail in a databank update is going to result in a radical timeline compression. One thing changing doesn't mean everything is changing. All this means is we're to expect some retcons for the TV show to be forthcoming- Anakin getting a General rank early in the war? Some kind of temporary provision that is later revoked by his actions or is terminated after certain goals are achieved. Anakin's early Knighthood? "On this mission, for all intents and purposes, you will be a Jedi Knight." or something along those lines. Ventress being back with the Count after Obsession? Perhaps she achieved something that turned her back to his side which also changed Dooku's opinion of her. Etc, etc. Or...we could all be blowing this way out of proportion, and the show really DOES take place in the last year pf the war like we thought. Think about it- Venators, Grievous, MagnaGuards, longhaired-Anakin, clones with customized kama? Really screams "late war" more than "just after AOTC". Add to that Dave pointing out they were looking to transition from the look of CW GT (early war) to the ROTS look of characters, and it does point to "late war". -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:14pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process - Date Edited: 5/12/08 5:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	More likely. * Anakin Skywalker was a Jedi Knight, ignore all the other stuff about his not being one. * Anakin's Padawan was on the ship when he went to Naboo's Moon.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:18pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process - Date Edited: 5/12/08 5:20pm (2 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	That doesn't seem likely at all, actually- there's no feasible way to do that. Wasn't it Lucas who decided to have Anakin become a Knight late in the war anyways? The Clone Wars campaign could have easily made Anakin a Knight at least a year earlier in the war without any trouble, and with enough advanced word from Lucas, probably could have done it even earlier. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:21pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	The2ndQuest posted: That doesn't seem likely at all, actually- there's no feasible way to do that. Wasn't it Lucas who decided to have Anakin become a Knight late in the war anyways? The Clone Wars campaign could have easily made Anakin a Knight at least a year earlier in the war without any trouble. You seem to be assuming that Lucasfilm actually cares about the minute detail. Why not simply say "Those sources are outdated." Sort of like they never tried to retcon the story of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan on a mission in Marvel.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:24pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process - Date Edited: 5/12/08 5:26pm (3 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	Actually, I'm certain they have- you're referring to the "Obi-Wan, Anakin & Darth Vader" reference with the bird people? I thyink HNN at least touched upon that, and that it was expanded upon in a subsequent source somewhere. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Fettster Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:25pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Charlemagne19 posted: Sort of like they never tried to retcon the story of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan on a mission in Marvel. Meet...Halagad Ventor, the true bearer of Anakin's lightsaber during the mission to Skye thanks to a Concordance of Fealty with the Padawan.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:29pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Fettster posted: Charlemagne19 posted: Sort of like they never tried to retcon the story of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan on a mission in Marvel. Meet...Halagad Ventor, the true bearer of Anakin's lightsaber during the mission to Skye thanks to a Concordance of Fealty with the Padawan. In other words....not remotely sensible. So just assume she was there and Anakin was a knight
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:32pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Charlemagne19 posted: [You seem to be assuming that Lucasfilm actually cares about the minute detail. Why not simply say "Those sources are outdated." Because there's no way to do that without the resulting domino effect "outdating" almost all sources. Charlemagne19 posted: In other words....not remotely sensible. What do you mean? How is that? -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:35pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Because there's no way to do that without the resulting domino effect "outdating" almost all sources. And? They can say "Something similar happened to what was in the books." It works fine for comics.
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HedecGa Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:42pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Thanks for putting things into perspective, Quest. I still want to believe that it all counts as continuity and I have high hopes for this series, in spite of today's concerns. I'm really trying not to let this current wave of "It's all leading to chaos!" derail my enthusiasm of SW, in general. There ARE things that have always been inconsistent in SW. I look at LoE and the end of the CN: CW and there's this huge difference in events but, you know what? SW didn't implode. Continuity is still in tact, for the most part. It's got some holes, but the thing, as a whole, is still there. Still functioning. Still kicking tail. Speaking of the whole Anakin, Vader, Obi-Wan misstep--look how long we had to wait to get an explanation on that one. Point: We did get one. If SW continues without someone trashing the whole thing and starting over (a pox on him, in advance), I am prepared to believe that SOMEWHERE along the line, though it may be 25 years from now, someone will retcon it. Marine said it was up to the fans to bridge the gap, to fix the holes. Well, who are tomorrow's SW writers but today's fans? What little kid is going to go see Clone Wars on the big screen, then read some of the "old" Republic comics and see some things that don't mesh? He/She may well grow up, join the ranks of SW writers, and fix those bygone days. I watched ANH tonight with my two-year old daughter on my lap. She clutched her little Mickey Mouse doll and ate up every scene. Who knows what her generation will accomplish in the way of fixing our continuity problems? What kinds of awesome SW stories will they tell? Yeah, LFL should, perhaps, be stricter to keep everything in continuity fixed. And, I'm am opposed to this whole "Let's rewrite what we want to tell our stories better." But, at the same time, look at how many great stories we got out of the retcons themselves. I hold hope for the future, but I'm a sentimentalist, I suppose. -----signature----- "The Coming Evil, Book One: The Strange Man" available NOW at http://www.thecomingevil.blogspot.com Author of the Dusty Duck databank entry - The 71st "Greatest Thing About Star Wars...Ever!" - SW Insider 100 Co-author of the Silya Shessaun databank
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:45pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process - Date Edited: 5/12/08 5:48pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	It's a good point, HG- retcons have led to some of the best stories of the past 8 years. Charlemagne19 posted: It works fine for comics. However, we're not talking about your typical comics universe- what you're suggesting is not in-line with the company's policies/approach to the material for the past 15-20 years. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 5/12/08 5:54pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	I'd feel a lot better about this if there had been an announcement from Chee saying, "Well, we're changing things around for the TV series, but we've spent the last six months looking at how we can make this work, and here's the definitive official timeline for all prior sources and what we're doing with them. Dark Rendezvous is going to be set one year ABG, Jedi Trial is set ten months ABG, The Cestus Deception is staying where it is and any references to 'padawan' should be read as 'former padawan', The Siege of Saleucami is staying exactly where it is now," etc, etc, etc. In short, I'd feel a lot better if I felt like they had an actual handle on what they're doing, a plan, a fix ready to drop in place, instead of just saying, "Well, it's all canon, and we'll let Wallace and Pena retcon it out eventually. Then we'll probably ignore that retcon whenever we need to, too." -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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rechedelphar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/12/08 6:12pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	so basically everyhting that happened now has a different time frame?? is anything being eliminated? -----signature----- Clemson Football: 5-3, 3-2 ACC 49-3 win over Coastal Carolina ---------- West Bromwich: 28 points, 1st in league 5-0 rout of Watford
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 5/12/08 6:19pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	They are altering the continuity. Pray they don't alter it further. -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 6:23pm Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process - Date Edited: 5/12/08 6:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	rechedelphar posted: so basically everyhting that happened now has a different time frame?? is anything being eliminated? We don't know if the timeframe is being changed or if any sources are being eliminated yet. This could all amount to a simple footnote retcon to explain away an offhand reference in the new show, for all we know. People are jumping to conclusions. Hopefully Leland or Pablo can shed some light on the situation. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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