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The2ndQuest
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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_Catherine_ posted:
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Good luck, Quest. 
Ok- I know I tend to be on the optimistic side of things, but I can't help but think people are blowing this way out of proportion.
First off, the Databank is one of the few SW sources that is fluid- this information could be temporary until they do a fully update later this year after they've worked out the retcons.
Secondly, people are DEFINITELY jumping the gun if you think that one small detail in a databank update is going to result in a radical timeline compression. One thing changing doesn't mean everything is changing.
All this means is we're to expect some retcons for the TV show to be forthcoming- Anakin getting a General rank early in the war? Some kind of temporary provision that is later revoked by his actions or is terminated after certain goals are achieved. Anakin's early Knighthood? "On this mission, for all intents and purposes, you will be a Jedi Knight." or something along those lines. Ventress being back with the Count after Obsession? Perhaps she achieved something that turned her back to his side which also changed Dooku's opinion of her. Etc, etc.
Or...we could all be blowing this way out of proportion, and the show really DOES take place in the last year pf the war like we thought. Think about it- Venators, Grievous, MagnaGuards, longhaired-Anakin, clones with customized kama? Really screams "late war" more than "just after AOTC". Add to that Dave pointing out they were looking to transition from the look of CW GT (early war) to the ROTS look of characters, and it does point to "late war".
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Charlemagne19
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Date Posted:
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More likely.
* Anakin Skywalker was a Jedi Knight, ignore all the other stuff about his not being one.
* Anakin's Padawan was on the ship when he went to Naboo's Moon.
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The2ndQuest
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That doesn't seem likely at all, actually- there's no feasible way to do that.
Wasn't it Lucas who decided to have Anakin become a Knight late in the war anyways? The Clone Wars campaign could have easily made Anakin a Knight at least a year earlier in the war without any trouble, and with enough advanced word from Lucas, probably could have done it even earlier.
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Charlemagne19
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The2ndQuest posted:
That doesn't seem likely at all, actually- there's no feasible way to do that.
Wasn't it Lucas who decided to have Anakin become a Knight late in the war anyways? The Clone Wars campaign could have easily made Anakin a Knight at least a year earlier in the war without any trouble.
You seem to be assuming that Lucasfilm actually cares about the minute detail.
Why not simply say "Those sources are outdated."
Sort of like they never tried to retcon the story of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan on a mission in Marvel.
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The2ndQuest
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Actually, I'm certain they have- you're referring to the "Obi-Wan, Anakin & Darth Vader" reference with the bird people? I thyink HNN at least touched upon that, and that it was expanded upon in a subsequent source somewhere.
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Sort of like they never tried to retcon the story of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan on a mission in Marvel.
Meet...Halagad Ventor, the true bearer of Anakin's lightsaber during the mission to Skye thanks to a Concordance of Fealty with the Padawan.
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Fettster posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
Sort of like they never tried to retcon the story of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan on a mission in Marvel.
Meet...Halagad Ventor, the true bearer of Anakin's lightsaber during the mission to Skye thanks to a Concordance of Fealty with the Padawan.
In other words....not remotely sensible.
So just assume she was there and Anakin was a knight
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Charlemagne19 posted:
[You seem to be assuming that Lucasfilm actually cares about the minute detail.
Why not simply say "Those sources are outdated."
Because there's no way to do that without the resulting domino effect "outdating" almost all sources.
Charlemagne19 posted:
In other words....not remotely sensible.
What do you mean? How is that?
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Because there's no way to do that without the resulting domino effect "outdating" almost all sources.
And?
They can say "Something similar happened to what was in the books."
It works fine for comics.
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Thanks for putting things into perspective, Quest. I still want to believe that it all counts as continuity and I have high hopes for this series, in spite of today's concerns. I'm really trying not to let this current wave of "It's all leading to chaos!" derail my enthusiasm of SW, in general. There ARE things that have always been inconsistent in SW. I look at LoE and the end of the CN: CW and there's this huge difference in events but, you know what? SW didn't implode. Continuity is still in tact, for the most part. It's got some holes, but the thing, as a whole, is still there. Still functioning. Still kicking tail.
Speaking of the whole Anakin, Vader, Obi-Wan misstep--look how long we had to wait to get an explanation on that one. Point: We did get one. If SW continues without someone trashing the whole thing and starting over (a pox on him, in advance), I am prepared to believe that SOMEWHERE along the line, though it may be 25 years from now, someone will retcon it.
Marine said it was up to the fans to bridge the gap, to fix the holes. Well, who are tomorrow's SW writers but today's fans? What little kid is going to go see Clone Wars on the big screen, then read some of the "old" Republic comics and see some things that don't mesh? He/She may well grow up, join the ranks of SW writers, and fix those bygone days.
I watched ANH tonight with my two-year old daughter on my lap. She clutched her little Mickey Mouse doll and ate up every scene. Who knows what her generation will accomplish in the way of fixing our continuity problems? What kinds of awesome SW stories will they tell?
Yeah, LFL should, perhaps, be stricter to keep everything in continuity fixed. And, I'm am opposed to this whole "Let's rewrite what we want to tell our stories better." But, at the same time, look at how many great stories we got out of the retcons themselves. I hold hope for the future, but I'm a sentimentalist, I suppose.
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It's a good point, HG- retcons have led to some of the best stories of the past 8 years.
Charlemagne19 posted:
It works fine for comics.
However, we're not talking about your typical comics universe- what you're suggesting is not in-line with the company's policies/approach to the material for the past 15-20 years.
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I'd feel a lot better about this if there had been an announcement from Chee saying, "Well, we're changing things around for the TV series, but we've spent the last six months looking at how we can make this work, and here's the definitive official timeline for all prior sources and what we're doing with them. Dark Rendezvous is going to be set one year ABG, Jedi Trial is set ten months ABG, The Cestus Deception is staying where it is and any references to 'padawan' should be read as 'former padawan', The Siege of Saleucami is staying exactly where it is now," etc, etc, etc. In short, I'd feel a lot better if I felt like they had an actual handle on what they're doing, a plan, a fix ready to drop in place, instead of just saying, "Well, it's all canon, and we'll let Wallace and Pena retcon it out eventually. Then we'll probably ignore that retcon whenever we need to, too."
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so basically everyhting that happened now has a different time frame?? is anything being eliminated?
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They are altering the continuity.
Pray they don't alter it further. 
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rechedelphar posted:
so basically everyhting that happened now has a different time frame?? is anything being eliminated?
We don't know if the timeframe is being changed or if any sources are being eliminated yet. This could all amount to a simple footnote retcon to explain away an offhand reference in the new show, for all we know. People are jumping to conclusions. Hopefully Leland or Pablo can shed some light on the situation.
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