Author Topic: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Ris_jSarek  2541 posts
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Date Posted: 3/23 9:34am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
HedecGa posted:

Ris_jSarek posted:
Folks like Filoni have been paying attention to canon (even printing out Wookieepedia pages prior to the release of the CSWE, as he mentioned at WonderCon on Saturday),


You know, I've heard that before and it makes me wonder: Isn't that what the Holocron is for? Don't get me wrong, I love Wookieepedia and would be lost without it, but it surprises me that Filoni--who has direct access to the 'Cron--instead consults the Wook. I wonder why. Is it, perhaps, easier/quicker to access? Or maybe the Holocron entries are more "just the facts" whereas Wookieepedia's entries have sort of a narrative voice? I don't know. It's just interesting to me.

Wook or 'Cron, (or now the CSWE) I'm just glad the man does his homework.


I think we're more thorough when it comes to older material. The following passage (from here) is almost five years old, so it may be out of date, but it gives some idea of what the Holocron's coverage of older material can be like:

Leland Y Chee posted:
Each newly named ship, however minor, is given its own entry with a full description, and as the ship's history evolves, the description is updated. Any major stats that are available (ie size, manufacturer, weapons, etc.)are also noted. If an image is available, we will include that as well. But for older entries, such as minor ships from the West End Games RPG or the X-wing videogames, the ships are lumped together in a single entry by source, with little or no details. If those ships are used in a later source, they are then given their own entry.


The2ndQuest posted:
I'm trying to remember how detailed the 'cron entries were when Leland showed it to us at (C4? C3?) but it's been too long.


Same here. I can't believe it's been almost three years since C4 now.

 

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The2ndQuest  40065 posts
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Date Posted: 3/23 11:45am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
All I remember now is him, going something like "whoops, can't show you that yet" when he pulled up an entry with upcoming spoilers, ha.

I recorded the audio of that panel, IIRC, so when I get around to editing together my documentary for C4 I'll be sure to put that up separately. Maybe I'll be able to finish that this summer- gonna do something different for this C4 one than my ones for the prior two Celebrations, which'll take a little longer to complete.

 

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blackmyron  2494 posts
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Date Posted: 3/23 12:25pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
No, I think you're right about the sheer amount of details - especially older material - that gets into the Wookie.
The main problem - which has been getting better slowly over the years - has been conjecture that is listed as fact. Secondary is the "sin of omission", where new material that contradicts older - or confirms a particular view that someone doesn't like - just never gets around to actually being entered.
Like I said, it has gotten better with time, but I worry that when people who make the canon talk about checking the Wookie that it will encourage the editors with axes to grind to strive even harder so that "what they know to be true" will become "official canon".
And it's almost moot as the Lucaspedia - which only GL can access since it's in his head, overrules everything else.

 

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Date Posted: 3/23 8:10pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Something related to this that I never get tired of pointing out - I fought to add a pic of Ben that had been altered to have red hair to his article, and lost. Sometime later, Chris Trevas used the article as reference and we ended up with this:



So the argument could be made that the wook could stand to be less strict in some cases.

 

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Maximillian-Veers  609 posts
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Date Posted: 4/10 4:00pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Sooooo.........


Does anyone have any comprehensive theories on how this is all going to shake out yet?

Anyone keeping a list of continuity discrepancies? I know there is nothing official yet, but I'm interested to see what everyone is thinking, but I'd like to avoid sifting through seventy pages of not entirely related conversation. Thoughts? Hugs?

 

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blackmyron  2494 posts
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Date Posted: 4/10 4:33pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
The ongoing word has been "wait until it's over", but I can't really believe that they're not going to sort it out and let us know how it all ties together until the CWAS is over.
I think that the upcoming Atlas is almost going to have to shed some light on the Clone Wars timeline, unless they completely gloss over the era. The upcoming Essential Guide to the Military would also have to discuss the war overall, I would think.

 

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Jeff_Ferguson  1664 posts
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Date Posted: 4/10 7:38pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
It'll all be OK when the series ends and Leland places it all post-Obsession. peace

 

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HedecGa  1207 posts
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Date Posted: 4/11 4:31pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Well, I'm looking forward to Clone Wars: Decoded. It's like the visual guide on the OS only, you know, they actually did them tongue

Now I'm going to have to watch the reruns. Well played LFL and CN....well played. raised_brow

 

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Leto II  11805 posts
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Date Posted: 4/11 5:03pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Unless most of it turns out to be "Obvious Day at Camp Stupid" stuff like, "Ahsoka carries a lightsaber, which means she is a Jedi," or: "Each clone trooper looks like every other clone trooper, which means they're all clones."

The fact that it could be LFL Animation people not named Henry and/or Dave potentially writing the "enhancements" sends a cold chill down my spine. If there's some genuinely juicy new EU nuggets in there, I'll be thrilled, but I'm not really holding my breath, here.

 

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Date Posted: 4/14 9:00pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed) - Date Edited: 4/14 9:03pm (2 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
It looks like most of the info will be aimed at the kids, with the occasional nugget for the more hardcore:

In LACWAC, HGilroy posted:
Okay, so it's raining cats and dogs here in the desert and I'm taking a break from writing to say you guys are sharp and pretty much have the Clone Wars: Decoded figured out... as usual.

Steve Melching and I are working on it and will be talking a little more about it on the forcecast this next week.

As to what it is, you guys know the sw universe inside and out, so the obvious 'info-nuggets' are really for the younger viewers who are really just learning about the sw universe. You guys may not know this, but for hundreds of thousands of kids who watch the show, this series is their first exposure to Star Wars. A whole new generation of fans are coming into existence and they are hungry for info (not all of them can afford the guide books -- which are selling like crazy btw). And the little details that may need useless to you, like how many cannon a jedi cruiser has on it, is cool 'schoolyard rep' info for many others.

Of course, Steve and I are mixing in some obscure stuff just for you guys, too.... and yes, the continuity fans will be kept very busy... at least I hope so. At the next con I attend to sign at, I will have a big bottle of advil and any strict continuity fan is welcome to come get free head painkillers, on me.

Best,
Henry

In other news, the Clone Wars season finale beat BSG series finale in the ratings.



And, as I joked in my response in that thread- that photo op is begging to be taken: "Henry Gilroy and the real Continuity Spackle."

 

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HedecGa  1207 posts
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Date Posted: 4/15 8:58am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Well, I can appreciate having it mostly aimed at the "new generation" of fans for all the reasons he stated.

 

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Date Posted: 4/15 11:02pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Don't look to the ATLAS for timeline guidance, I'm afraid. Wish it were otherwise, but it was too big a can with too many worms....

 

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CeiranHarmony  4473 posts
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Date Posted: 4/16 12:36am Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
jasonfry posted:
Don't look to the ATLAS for timeline guidance, I'm afraid. Wish it were otherwise, but it was too big a can with too many worms....


no problem but how did you evade the trouble then, or how did you cover the clone wars relevant maps boarderwise etc, like confed territory etc. wink

 

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Date Posted: 8/5 10:54pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
I just reread Republic 66 (Show of Force pt 2) and something jumped out at me in the scene where Dooku "offs" Kh'aris Fenn:

Dooku posted:
Not only did you steal from me, you needlessly duplicated my efforts and destroyed my plans for Ryloth! My friend, I would have given you Ryloth to govern had you obeyed my wishes. Instead, you disobeyed, lied, and stole from me. An example must be made.


And then Quinlan Vos shows up, beheads him, and sends the Jedi Council the home movie of it. shock

Anyway, is there any chance this could be retconned as the lead-in to the Ryloth trilogy of episodes? Fenn screws up Dooku's original plan to control Ryloth, so he goes ahead and has Wat Tambor seize the world directly?

P.S.: The comic takes place 17 months ABG ... for what that's worth.

 

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blackmyron  2494 posts
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Date Posted: 8/5 11:19pm Subject: Clone Wars Ongoing Continuity Discussion (spoilers allowed)
Well, Ryloth is in CIS hands during the Outer Rim Sieges, according to the NEC.

Right now, I'm of the mind of the "least amount of change" approach to the Clone Wars timeline - moving Jedi Trial back and compressing the first few months. The CWAS has inadvertedly provided a solution, in keeping Anakin working with Obi-Wan despite no longer being his Padawan. All CW sources that have them working together can be retconned as such - even the Jabiim situation, where Anakin is actually the only non-Padawan in the "Padawan Pack" in this scheme.
The only hydrospanner in the works, naturally, is the future CWAS seasons and what happens with Ahsokha.

 

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