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ThrawnRocks
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Date Posted:
5/12 9:13pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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^I'm now getting the oh-so-disturbing image of "Star Wars Authors Gone Wild" in my head.   
And yeah, I know they'll never reveal any dissenting opinion that's going on internally, but I think that if they did that, it might ultimately be a good thing. More often than we'd like, we get this sense that LFL is just ignoring the fans, and out appreciation of canon etc. It makes them look like this monolithic enemy out to get us, which is not true and not healthy. It is often easy to forget that there are a lot of people working for LFL, many of whom I'm sure share many of our feelings. As fans we get to see them as people at the absolute maximum once a year at comic con, the average fan even less than that. Sometimes it feels as if they are too far removed from us and don't really care.
But yeah, that was mostly just wishful thinking on my part
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000
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Date Posted:
5/12 9:55pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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Okay... I looked stuff over quick, and it's easily possible to both rejigger the timeline and save everything from being cut.
No, really.
For starters, nothing that doesn't involve Anakin or Obi-Wan needs to be moved.
And, fortunately, bulk of Anakin & Obi-Wan's exploits take place during the beginning and end of the war. Basically, we can leave everything prior to /Shatterpoint/ (so, the first six months) as-is and everything after /Dreadnaughts of Rendili/ as is. The only major things that need re-dating, then, are the Jabiim arc of /Republic/, /The Cestus Deception/, /Jedi Trial/, and /Dark Rendezvous/. The Jabiim arc spans roughly two months, and can be placed shortly after Muunilist with little difficulty, I think. I've not read either /The Cestus Deception/ or /Jedi Trial/, but I'd guess they can work contemporaneously; both of them, then can take place after Jabiim ends and maybe during /Shatterpoint./ After that-- some six or so months into the war-- I'd put the knighting sequence from the old cartoon, which takes place during /Dark Rendezvous/. /The Clone Wars/ would then pick up a few weeks to a month thereafter; we'll see when it airs.
There a couple smaller things that need to be moved around-- Alpha's Academy for Clone Commanders has to open earlier, obviously, and there are a couple short stories and comics that might need re-dating, plus a single one-shot (/Forever Young/).
There'll be a couple minor problems, of course. We'll sadly lose the exact dates given by five or so of the HNN articles, Plo Koon will look a little silly congratulating Anakin on being Knighted two years after the fact, and of course poor Tionne's gonna look as bad as Voren. Then there's Anakin's scar, which I'd just chalk up to visual inconsistency unless the cartoon makes a big deal out it at some point (in which case, meh, he's as unlucky with that section of his face as he is with his right arm).
All in all, though, I *think* we're pretty good for the most part. This is just from a quick look-over, though, so... I could easily have missed something. Plus, we still know very little about the cartoon, so there might be more to fix.
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QuentinGeorge
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Date Posted:
5/12 11:20pm
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No fair Trip, you just like that solution cause it makes Voren look dumb again! (Especially since his latest work dedicates so much to the Clone Wars...poor guy!)
PS: I may have missed something, but I can't see what exactly in the CW movie requires the drastic redating?
Is it:
Anakin: Thank god I was knighted a month after Geonosis and not much later than others would have you believe!
Couldn't they just plonk it in one of the final months anyway? Or does it start with a "Six months after the Battle of Geonosis" crawl?
Hmmm....
PPS: Boy, I hope someone told Abel/Dan and co before they finished the Clone Wars RPG sourcebook coming out soon! 
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Fettster
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Date Posted:
5/12 11:27pm
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EDIT: Never mind.
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QuentinGeorge
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5/12 11:31pm
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Thank you Captain Obvious, I know it was about the databank. I was speaking hypothetically, and wondering why the movie requires such a timeline change.
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Fettster
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 D'oh.
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dizfactor
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Date Posted:
5/12 11:33pm
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QuentinGeorge posted:
PPS: Boy, I hope someone told Abel/Dan and co before they finished the Clone Wars RPG sourcebook coming out soon!
There's no Clone Wars book coming out in the current announced schedule. There was one for the old system that was all but finished before it got cancelled, but that was five years ago for a now-defunct edition of the game.
Unless something was announced recently that I missed.
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Fettster
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5/12 11:37pm
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I thought they recently announced a Clone Wars campaign guide, but I didn't think it was due out till 2009.
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Fettster
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Date Posted:
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Here's TFN's story that mentions it.
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QuentinGeorge
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I beg to differ.
EDIT: Yeah, Jan 2009. Seem it is Wiker and Thompson instead of Wallace and Pena though.
Still, gives them time to do another continuity clean up....
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TogashiAikune
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dizfactor posted:
QuentinGeorge posted:
PPS: Boy, I hope someone told Abel/Dan and co before they finished the Clone Wars RPG sourcebook coming out soon!
There's no Clone Wars book coming out in the current announced schedule. There was one for the old system that was all but finished before it got cancelled, but that was five years ago for a now-defunct edition of the game.
Unless something was announced recently that I missed.
Amazon.ca has a listing for "The Clone Wars Campaign Guide" for 1/09/09 by Rodney Thompson and JD Wiker.
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dizfactor
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Fettster posted:
I thought they recently announced a Clone Wars campaign guide, but I didn't think it was due out till 2009.
Well, I'll be darned. There it is. January 2009 is not far away.
Anyway, if it's not coming out until then, I'm sure it's going to incorporate the animated movie material. Besides, given the current approach to RPG materials for Saga Edition, most of it is probably not timeline-specific.
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Fettster
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Well, now that we've all pointed out what diz missed...
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So . . . Anakin's a knight a bit earlier? Ok. And this affects my the entire space-time continuum how exactly? What's the big deal?
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Sinrebirth
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000 posted:
While I'm unaccountably optimistic about this particular project, I think you're being a bit unfair, Sinre. I can certainly understand people feeling put-out over this, especially given the three examples you cited above.
True, but I remain unaccountably optimistic at PoD and Revelation and Invincible, and the retcons in Revelation were not so immense as to shuffle about three years of the timeline.
But, I may recall something, here. Isn't it better that Jedi Trial is earlier, because then there's more time for the Halycon/Horn mess to fix something?
But everything without Anakin/Obi-Wan in remains where it is.
But, even then, Venators were newly commission by month 19 of the war. This doesn't mean the story takes place especially early...? If that's the holding point, then everything pre-Battle of Duro stays the same. No?
Ex: It has the possibility to move everything pre-30 months ABG involving Anakin and Obi-Wan very far forward, as Anakin is a Padawan in all of those... which is complicated and entirely unnecessary. If someone from LFL could clarify this life would be much more pleasant. Surely they're aware of the issue and should at least comment on it.
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