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Grey1 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 5/12/08 8:48am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Sinrebirth posted: Sinre Apologist Moment: Anakin proves he's not ready to be a Knight, and is demoted at some point before his re-Knighting. Probably for getting his Padawan killed. That way continuity is safe. Next week: How Anakin gets his scars, has Padmé notice them, gets them healed, gets new scars, has Padmé see these new ones, gets them healed again... Actually, I think it should have been this way all along - Anakin being a knight shortly after Geonosis. Especially since the Jedi need everything they can throw at the seperatists. And to be honest, the first CW cartoon did this, too - having Anakin knighted after the events of season one, then have him grow as a Jedi (and having his hair grow) until the interesting parts prior to episode 3 begin. Incidentally, only yesterday I told my brother, "See, once The Clone Wars is through, they should do another one called The Civil War set between 4 and 5." Even if it bites everything from Marvel onwards. Because then we'd get to see X-Wings on the screen again. I'll say again that I'm not as interested in canon wholesomeness anymore as I used to be. I'm interested in good stories, and if I have to shut down the parts of my memory which read Jedi Trial to enjoy a promising movie and tv series, I'm all in. I can remember the novel some other time. -----signature----- Jacen had learned that one can meet the Universe [...] with fear, or with hatred, or with despair. Or one can choose to meet it with love. Jacen had chosen. But still, he was astonished to discover that the Universe could love him back.
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Sinrebirth Title: Sith Emperor of the SWC Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 5/12/08 8:48am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Jedimarine posted: Anakin + demotion = Sith even without Palpatine pulling strings. That's the type of slight, that to think he EVER could go on without bringing it up would be hard. Continuity might be saved...but at a cost to Anakin's characterization. What if Anakin actually did fail his Padawan, and she died because of it. I could see him apologising to the Order and voluntarily leaving his title of Knight. Sure, after Jabiim, that's quite unlikely, because he goes a little far, but I wouldn't mind Anakin redeeming himself a little bit, and still falling a few months later. Hell, I could see Sidious, ready to end the war after Anakin goes dark to beat up Asajj on Yavin, ready to end the war but then pulls back when it goes wrong. It needn't take three years to make Anakin fall, after the Tusken camp, considering the war. Sure, Dooku took a decade, but he had little prodding until Naboo. Anakin has vast sums of prodding. -----signature----- Darth Insipid Proud Fan of the Tragedy of Jacen Solo Missing Chapters of Invincible; Teaser of Chapter 9.5 is up! Wes vs Tarfang, Gavin and the Coup, Luke and Jacen, and much more! http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28933751/p3/?70
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_Catherine_ Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 5/12/08 8:58am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Trip posted: And, again, I think the best way to handle this is compacting the timeline-- moving everything prior to, say, Dreadnaughts of Rendili into the first six or eight months of the war. The only big thing it'll mess with are the HoloNet News dates, and even then I don't think it'll effect much. If I'm remembering the timeline correctly, it goes Jedi Trial, Dark Rendezvous, and Dreadnaughts of Rendili in that order with, IIRC, nothing in between any of them. Obviously JT would fall in with the material that needs to be compressed, but is there anything in DR that necessitates that kind of a move? Anakin is already a Knight in it, and the story really suffers if it doesn't take place near the end of the war. The only problematic thing I can think of is that I believe Anakin says something about how it's difficult not to think of Obi-Wan as his Master anymore since he was just recently Knighted, but... I think we've fudged worse things in the past. If DR stays where it is, there could also be a chance to correct a previous continuity error. IIRC, the book makes reference to a battle at Rendili that, according to the current timeline, shouldn't have happened yet. With all the material preceding DR compressed into a few months, there's more room for an earlier Battle of Rendili, though presumably not as important a one, to have taken place. I don't know, I'm just throwing this out there because I love Dark Rendezvous and wouldn't want to see it suffer for this new cartoon. We'll just have to wait and see what happens. -----signature----- There ain't no rust on the happiness bus.
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:03am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	I don't see any reason why Dark Rendezvous couldn't be earlier. One issue is that Anakin gets his scar at the end of Dreadnaughts of Rendili, so pushing everything back would fix the scar issue. It would, however, mess up Quinlan Vos's timeline like nobody's business. It's possible to have Asajj come back between the Coruscant duel and Obsession. I could see it. Anakin just has to kill her again
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JediLaw Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:17am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Didn't we all know this was going to happen sooner or later? Lucas has always had the right to change whatever he wanted to, irregardless of what EU had already set down. Believe me, as a reader of the Marvel series in the early 1980's, it kinda sucks to see your favorite stories written out or never referred to again. You get used to it, though! -----signature----- "Holy rusted metal, Batman!!" "IMHO GL Himslef ahs problems with the continuity of the GFFA on the DVD and VHS."----my wife
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HedecGa Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:29am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	In the defense of Marvel (which is totally off-topic, sorry), I don't think there's been many, if any, stories that have been completely deemed "non-canon". Many of them have been left in tact, referenced, or retconned. There's still a large group that remain a mystery as to how they fit into canon, but I don't think that means they've been booted out of the continuity altogether. The retcon-artists just haven't gotten around to those stories yet. Yet. I'm loving reading the Marvel comics and, with all the new material that has "fixed" the botchy continuity, it's still just as relevant. Therein lies the unique beauty of Star Wars EU. -----signature----- "The Coming Evil, Book One: The Strange Man" available NOW at http://www.thecomingevil.blogspot.com Author of the Dusty Duck databank entry - The 71st "Greatest Thing About Star Wars...Ever!" - SW Insider 100 Co-author of the Silya Shessaun databank
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:37am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Marvel should still be completely canon except for like 2 stories, one of which was later retconned back into continuity on the WOTC site. -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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ATimson Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:40am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Trip posted: It could well be that Ahsoka is a movie-only character; even if she doesn't die, the new stuff in the databank hints that it's more of a "let's stick her with Anakin for a little bit just to piss him off" kinda thing. Maybe they decide to reassign her after a short time. The solicitation for Shipyards of Doom disagrees; she certainly doesn't die, and it seems like she'll be sticking around through the new series. -----signature----- "Actually, VIPs are more important [than other users]." --The2ndQuest It's nice to know that those who make the board possible matter. If someone other than me edited this, please don't attribute anything in it to me in quotes. It's not mine anymore.
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patchworkz7 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:41am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	sabarte posted: So, as mentioned on the Clone Wars thread, there's been a stealth Databank update that implies at least a complete reshuffle of the Clone Wars timeline, and definitely a partial overwrite of parts. In particular, Anakin's now a knight more or less from the get-go. Which is...interesting, to say the least. Comments? Canon Go Boom. And I just won a bet! Woot! -----signature----- Original Fiction & essays "Does God Limp?" in HOUSE UNAUTHORIZED http://www.smartpopbooks.com/allbooks/2007.html#house Now in German and Polish Editions! James A Gilmer
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patchworkz7 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:47am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	dp4m posted: Anakin is explicitly Knighted in the previous CW cartoons, no? Which was, y'know, a REALLY LONG TIME after the CW began... It looks like this CW cartoon, with Anakin as a Knight, starts right after Geonosis, because if he's knighted and then given a Padawan right away...it can't be THAT long after Geonosis. So, on the plus side we don't have to worry about them fitting all this into six months, and on the plus-plus side; added hilarity of watching people tie themselves in knots trying to explain this. I wonder when TPTB intend to make an announcement/discuss this? -----signature----- Original Fiction & essays "Does God Limp?" in HOUSE UNAUTHORIZED http://www.smartpopbooks.com/allbooks/2007.html#house Now in German and Polish Editions! James A Gilmer
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dp4m Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:47am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	patchworkz7 posted: sabarte posted: So, as mentioned on the Clone Wars thread, there's been a stealth Databank update that implies at least a complete reshuffle of the Clone Wars timeline, and definitely a partial overwrite of parts. In particular, Anakin's now a knight more or less from the get-go. Which is...interesting, to say the least. Comments? Canon Go Boom. And I just won a bet! Woot! patch, I'm still not quite sure WHY it is you hate the notion of an established, immutable canon which was around in Star Wars since, at the very least, 1987? Every post you make on the subject seems to be of the notion that those of us who. y'know, actually care about it are delusional in some fashion and that you can't wait for it to be destroyed which, to my sensibility, would be no different than a movie purist coming in here and bashing the EU simply because... I understand Karen's thoughts on it as she's written them, though I wholly disagree with them obviously as I was the main target in her editorial on the subject, but I don't necessarily understand yours. Can you elucidate? -----signature----- "Looks like you're about to get pwned" - Eric Cartman "Awarding experience points for cleverly and creatively generating an enjoyable experience. How warped is that?" - Darths & Droids
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 5/12/08 9:53am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Thanks, dp. You said that a lot better than I would have. (this is one of the reasons I'm worried about the Karens monopolizing the Clone Wars novels)
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Master_Keralys Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 5/12/08 10:03am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	I guess I'm curious why this was thought to be a good idea... I'm sure we'll get through it. But my frist thought definitely was, "Well, we can fix most everything except Quin." :P It seems unwise to me to go down this road, but to be fair it's not exactly new. Is it worth noting that it seems that the decisions we've seen in other eras/settings before this in terms of a more fluid approach to canon were actually a reflection of this, which we of course were unaware of but which has obviously been well known for a long time? And, here's the big one, why as a businessman does GL seem to have so little respect for the EU? I certainly get the desire to do your own creative thing, but he's definitely been distancing himself from it recently (comments in interviews going farther than ever before, and so on). Interesting change from his previous not-caring but largely hands-off approach. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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LtNOWIS Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/12/08 10:05am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	Rouge77 posted: Fantastic. Suicidal thing to do for the franchise as a whole, that's my opinion. I hope that LFL will at least have the decency to stop reprints for those previous works which are not canon after this, like Jedi Trial. Well, if we have to lose a book... Regardless, there are ways to handwave dates of rank. For example, you could just say it's a temporary wartime rank, and that he "really" became a Knight in Jedi Trial/Clone Wars Chapter 21. After WWI ended, Patton went from a Colonel to a Captain, Eisenhower went from a Lt. Colonel to a Major, and so forth. Heck, the GAR was brand new and expanding rapidly. It's only natural that stuff would be in turmoil. Yes, it clearly all makes sense. -----signature----- A little bit about me: http://tinyurl.com/bnmcck
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 5/12/08 10:06am Subject: RE: Continuity implosion in process
	If the Asajj/Anakin parts of Rendili were severed somehow from the Obi-Wan/Quinlan parts, it could work. Though it'd be messy.
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