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BobaMatt
Title: TFN EU Staff
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Aug '02
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Date Posted:
5/12 2:27pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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So...wait...does Vos' arc have to get pushed around because of the show?
It would seem to me that most stuff that isn't directly related to the PT Big Three is a-okay.
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sabarte
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Date Posted:
5/12 2:29pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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The thing is that Vos coming back to the Jedi is the same issue that Anakin gets his scar. So it would compress his dark side jaunt to a month or two at best.
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Rogue_Follower
Title: Manager: Literature
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Date Posted:
5/12 2:32pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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Non-Skywalker, non-Kenobi Jedi stuff should be mostly fine... maybe? Though, the Jabiim arc is going to be a problem, especially since Ki-Adi takes Anakin as a tempadawan afterwards...
However, I have to say this... hold on a sec. Calm down. Take a breath. We don't know what's in the works yet. We don't know what the plan is, we're just speculating. Hopefully we'll get an official explanation soon.
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Ris_jSarek
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5/12 2:33pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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HedecGa posted:
We made it through the PT and all its "continuity-busters" relatively in tact. We shall survive this, too.
Note all the hoops we had to jump through for just three theatrical-length movies. This is going to be a *series*.
RaidonMakoto posted:
I'm pretty sure Dark Horse, Karen Traviss, and anyone who's done a Clone Wars work for Del Ray are pretty ticked right now. Methinks all the tie-ins to TCW will be retconning everything like crazy.
I wish them luck. They will need it.
RaidonMakoto posted:
This bodes terribly for the live action series.
I don't think we ever got "good bodings" when it came to the live-action show and pre-existing continuity.
SuperWatto posted:
I don't know. I just don't think that, as invested as you are in the material, you will be ABLE to cut the ties. I think SW is part of you, as with many of the folks here, and you're just... repositioning it.
People used to say the same about me and Star Trek, until they got even worse about their continuity than they had been. Now, Trek is a pretty peripheral part of my existence, my handle notwithstanding.
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Havac
Title: Lit Mod of War
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5/12 2:33pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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Well, Vos appears in arcs alongside Obi-Wan and Anakin -- most significantly, Dreadnaughts of Rendili.
There's also the plethora of smaller characters who appear alongside the majors and who might get screwed by a shift. Then there's the fact that all the Clone Wars TPBs are going look pretty schizophrenic now, and that pretty much every single date given for anything during the Clone Wars is suspect. It's about as close as you can get to a reboot and not actually be a reboot . . . but who the hell knows until LFL actually speaks up and says, "Here's what we're doing" instead of trying to sneak it in through the back door and see if anyone notices.
Basically, color me disappointed in LFL and their attitude to canon.
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CeiranHarmony
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5/12 2:37pm
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Rogue_Follower posted:
Non-Skywalker, non-Kenobi Jedi stuff should be mostly fine... maybe? Though, the Jabiim arc is going to be a problem, especially since Ki-Adi takes Anakin as a tempadawan afterwards...
However, I have to say this... hold on a sec. Calm down. Take a breath. We don't know what's in the works yet. We don't know what the plan is, we're just speculating. Hopefully we'll get an official explanation soon.
the databank entry that started all this also mentions Anakin confessing to A'Sharad but never to the council (from the same Ki Adi tempadawan arc)... so I don´t think it will be tossed out. somehow this gives hope
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dp4m
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5/12 2:40pm
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I wish this were an AFD joke. And, if so, color me impressed that you got me (since I didn't follow the links) but somehow, given LFL-attitudes these days, I wouldn't imagine so.
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ZanderSolo
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5/12 2:42pm
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Hehehe. dp, your Sig is highly appropriate for this thread and the general feeling i think.
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Fettster
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Date Posted:
5/12 2:50pm
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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CeiranHarmony posted:
Rogue_Follower posted:
Non-Skywalker, non-Kenobi Jedi stuff should be mostly fine... maybe? Though, the Jabiim arc is going to be a problem, especially since Ki-Adi takes Anakin as a tempadawan afterwards...
However, I have to say this... hold on a sec. Calm down. Take a breath. We don't know what's in the works yet. We don't know what the plan is, we're just speculating. Hopefully we'll get an official explanation soon.
the databank entry that started all this also mentions Anakin confessing to A'Sharad but never to the council (from the same Ki Adi tempadawan arc)... so I don´t think it will be tossed out. somehow this gives hope
You're looking at the EU tab, which is unchanged so far as I can tell. It's the movies entries that are causing all this.
Databank posted:
Time and again, the Separatists pushed, and Anakin would find himself restrained by his oaths to the Jedi. He couldn't share his darker thoughts with his fellow Jedi -- the thoughts that overwhelmed him that night in the Tusken Raider village. He knew that such a path was a gateway to more power, but it also led to the dark side. The only person he felt comfortable confiding such troubles to was a friend he had since his days as a child hero on Naboo: Chancellor Palpatine.
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StateOfLoveAndTrust
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5/12 2:51pm
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Christophsis on a cracker.
There's not a huge problem with making Anakin a Knight just after Geonosis. Giving him a padawan for what could be the majority of the war, on the other hand...
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CeiranHarmony
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5/12 2:54pm
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if it really will be the feared chaos and paralell Movie-EU-verse... then all I have to say about the EU we have so far and love is:
... but it was so artistically done! 
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patchworkz7
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5/12 2:55pm
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Havac posted:
but who the hell knows until LFL actually speaks up and says, "Here's what we're doing"
I suspect they'll do what they always do; either ignore it or keep repeating "everything fits" and "it's all part of the EU" and mumble something about canon levels and pull out the old "from a certain point of view" chestnut.
Havac posted:
Basically, color me disappointed in LFL and their attitude to canon.
I'm curious; if they just came out and said "Yeah, we've made the decision that we're breaking things up into their respective ranks, and we may overwrite canon within those ranks if it suits us", would that made things easier?
I guess what I'm saying is; if they just flat-out told us they were going to throw over the old "everything fits" in favour of a more semi-mutable canon based on either story direction or canon-level, would you still be upset?
I know you're pretty strict in terms of everything fitting, but the writing for this has been on the wall for some time, imo.
Otherwise PoD would have been a VERY different novel.
I think one serious flaw is the lack of a singular creative vision at LFL. It feels like everyone is working around each other instead of with each other, and there's no "plotmaster" or even plot group like with something like Marvel and DC where there's an editorial board that decides the direction of the universe.
I'd actually welcome the EU seperating from the G/T-Canon verse, tbh.
Opinions?
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Master_Keralys
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5/12 2:56pm
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No, the links are legit and the changes are very quiet. Not terribly subtle, but quiet. It was a good catch.
Patch, etc. - I'm just not really quite sure how they can expect fans not to be incensed by something like this. I'd prefer a tight continuity, of course, where everything is well-protected and fits together. If that's not going to happen, I'd love to see a mostly tight continuity with points of fluidity from mistakes. I don't even mind a fluid canon (though it gets really annoying trying to keep track of whether something happened or not, or whether something exists or not, and so on). I simply do not understand the reasoning behind this sort of a move this direction.
Do they think that fans will be less upset because they keep trying to do this on the lowdown? Most people would probably be okay with it, even if not thrilled, as long as they were upfront about it.
That said, I'm happy to be proven wrong here. Leland and company are more than welcome to surprise me with a creative scheme for making this work and a good reason why it is this way.
But to be honest, my biggest concern isn't LFL. It's George Lucas himself.
I begin to wonder if the continuity things we've been seeing elsewhere (read: Revelation and so on) are less an active change of policy by the editors at LFL and instead an acknowledgment that this is how things are now? If they've known for a while that the Clone Wars was getting changed around, and that continuity was now fluid, has their response been less a step taken on their own than an ongoing adjustment to new views from even higher up that they feel ought to percolate through the whole thing? (Even if so, it's still very much in their hands: they can just as readily say, "That may be so, but we're still going to keep our end as tight as possible," though of course their end has plenty of interference cropping up, and so now the authors [if new] can find themselves in a "Well, why not?" position.)
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HedecGa
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patch posted:
I'd actually welcome the EU seperating from the G/T-Canon verse, tbh.
Opinions?
I'm afraid I'd have to call it quits.
Which would be a real shame, since I just really got started.
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Havac
Title: Lit Mod of War
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I'd still be upset if that was the route they chose, but at least I'd know it was what they chose, and they'd at least have been honest about it. I wouldn't be dragged along going, "Oh, well, maybe it's just this one thing, maybe we can make it work, overall canon is still OK." I want them to either say they've got one canon and damn well mean it, and put someone who's going to keep a tight continuity in charge, or say, "No, we're throwing that out the window," and then I can sit down and decide what I want to do from there. But I'm damn tired of trying to have it both ways.
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