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HedecGa
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RE: Continuity implosion in process
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Now, I don't wish the man ill, but, to be honest, I don't think SW would ever get that until George Lucas passes on. The man could be 90 years old on an oxygen tank, but if he wanted there to be a third Skywalker sibling, by God, there would be and we'd all have to adjust.
I don't expect everything to be airtight in my continuity, because I'm aware that's a physical impossiblity. I mean, it's not really the Expanded Universe, but more like the Expanding Universe. Things are always changing, adjusting, shifting, and that's understandable. But, to choose NOW to diverge into all these parallel franchises? I'd be utterly disgusted.
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patchworkz7
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Master_Keralys posted:
I begin to wonder if the continuity things we've been seeing elsewhere (read: Revelation and so on) are less an active change of policy by the editors at LFL and instead an acknowledgment that this is how things are now? If they've known for a while that the Clone Wars was getting changed around, and that continuity was now fluid, has their response been less a step taken on their own than an ongoing adjustment to new views from even higher up that they feel ought to percolate through the whole thing? (Even if so, it's still very much in their hands: they can just as readily say, "That may be so, but we're still going to keep our end as tight as possible," though of course their end has plenty of interference cropping up, and so now the authors [if new] can find themselves in a "Well, why not?" position.)
- Keralys
That's a good question. If you know that canon is going to go to hell in a handbasket...why worry? Just tell the authors to do what they think is best for the story and to sell books and move on, because god knows what's going to get hit when the canon level above you decides that Boba Fett was a Gungan.
It also can't feel too good when the owner of the company basically says; "Yeah, that stuff never happened".
Those from the UK might be familiar with the term "pulling a Ratner"
Basically, negating the work of dozens of creatives and twenty years worth of real life history with one line in an interview isn't a great idea, but people give him that because he created the universe, and fair enough, but there's still consumer/company expectations, one of which being "stand behind your product".
As you said, it'll be worse for any new people coming in, unless there's a VERY definite plan in place, because they won't know what the heck they can reference and what they can't, and the growing sense will be; "Screw it, I'll do my own thing", and it'll just continue to grow without heavy direction, which is why comic book companies HAVE editorial boards.
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Havac
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You know, I guess I have to say I feel really bad for people like Dan and Abel. They spend time and sweat putting things together and making things work, and then three years later the whole Clone Wars section of the NEC is garbage. Major retcons in History of the Mandalorians, garbage. Why even bother if it's all going to get overwritten in a year or two? Why publish an Essential Chronology when everything's going to get moved? Why publish an Essential Guide to the Force with dates that are bad inside a year? Why publish an Essential Atlas if authors are going to be free to just ignore it and place Kashyyyk wherever the hell they want because, dammit, it makes for a better story! Why bother with the guides at all when everything in them is subject to revision a year down the road? "Well, here's the guide to how it is now . . . hopefully it'll be good another six months."
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ZanderSolo
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Anyone remember that "Tales of the New Republic" trailer that those college students did as a project? Remember how excited everyone was over it?
Im damn sure happy it was only a college students project now. If they screwed over Thrawn, i can only imagine how many people would, quite possibly literally, be up in arms.
At least we have Legacy to look forward to. That has nothing to do with really anything around the CW timeline.
Crap...i just remembered The Hat Guy and that he is in here....
I made myself sad.
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Zorrixor
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Ris_jSarek posted:
RaidonMakoto posted:
I'm pretty sure Dark Horse, Karen Traviss, and anyone who's done a Clone Wars work for Del Ray are pretty ticked right now. Methinks all the tie-ins to TCW will be retconning everything like crazy.
I wish them luck. They will need it.
Interesting point.
Makes me curious how DH and KT will approach their parts in all this (i.e. the comic spin-off and the novelisation). KT will presumably have a relatively simple task since all she has to do is convert the movie into a novel but she'll still have to play it cool with referencing other Clone Wars events if it does turn out to alter the timeline. Which, in a backwards kind of way, may end up making it necessary for her to write it with no basis of what is going to be happening next, which could bring us back to the problems a lot of people had with the Clone Wars novels in the first place with the dots not feeling joined up.
DH will be interesting to see. I'm not entirely sure if they're just turning the movie into a TPB, shadowing the TV series with comics of the individual episodes, or creating their own independent stories. Again, if its just the movie being made into comic form, presumably it will be relatively simple for them, but if they're doing their own thing they'll have to be careful with cameos and things lest having Quinlan Vos show up break the space time continuum. I always feel one of the things DH do so well is continuity, which if they're forced to create new stories in a kind of limbo of uncertainty about where or when they're taking place in relation to other events may force them to make everything feel very detached from other stories.
Oh well. I'm still looking forward to this but it'll be curious to see how the non-TV stuff works.
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Sinrebirth
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Jedimarine posted:
I might take you up on that. 
I worked the years through the prequels at a theater myself.
You're welcome to. 
Pulling a Ratner, oh, I remember this, but I wanted to highlight this...
Back in 1991, Gerald Ratner's famous speech was instantly seized upon by the media, wiping an estimated £500m from the value of the company, and in 1994 his name was expunged from the company.
I would laugh myself to the insane asylum if George ever managed to do that. 
Remember, everyone, we're assuming the entirety of the Clone Wars is trashed. It may simply be retconning that Anakin was a Knight into all the stories, but still under supervision, or some-such. It's survivable.
I'm slightly concerned that we're devolving into the same cycle we've had since, oh, Path of Destruction? The Revelation spoiler thread was a farce, and I believe (having not entered the thread I may be assuming) there was a near-farce in the Invincible spoiler thread from a few summary lines. This is our fourth inferno of debate in the row, people! Let's keep it optimistic!
We may all be wrong, or, more likely...
The Databank is atypically almost always wrong!
So sue me, I'm an optimist.
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Jedimarine
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Well...if they do let it go to this...
I suggest we create a community continuity.
call it L-Canon
Lit-Canon?
Logical-Canon?
Lucid-Canon?
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I think this proves once and for all...I don't think that really contributes anything
If I hear some garbage about this always being part of his vision...
Note to readers of Dark Times, Rebellion...GET OUT NOW...it's futile.
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patchworkz7
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Sinrebirth posted:
Pulling a Ratner, oh, I remember this, but I wanted to highlight this...
Back in 1991, Gerald Ratner's famous speech was instantly seized upon by the media, wiping an estimated £500m from the value of the company, and in 1994 his name was expunged from the company.
I would laugh myself to the insane asylum if George ever managed to do that.
I doubt that the public is really going to even bat an eyelash at GL saying the EU (which most of them probably don't know about) doesn't mean anything to him and doesn't exist, in his opinion. My point was that it's pretty bad when the owner of a company goes on record disavowing part of their empire.
Even funnier when things like LoE, very EU, were supposed to be the run-up to RoTS and it was vital for us to have read it to find out how things got to where they were in RoTS.
I don't think there's anything GL could say that could damage the SW brand at the moment, but among the fandom, they really are making some missteps.
And I think part of the so-called REVELATION farce was the idea of canon change, which people thought was horrible and couldn't believe that LFL would do such a thing and then a few months later...oh, the new CW cartoon picks up right after Geonosis? Anakin a Knight right off? Has a Padawan?
And this sounds like stuff they probably would have known just from the initial movie. There's 200 some episodes planned, iirc. Plenty of time to screw things up further.
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Jedimarine
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HedecGa posted:
But, to choose NOW to diverge into all these parallel franchises? I'd be utterly disgusted.
Just ask yourself this question:
"Is it fiscally advantageous to do so?"
and then remember that this was a TV show that's being plugged into theaters...cause they can...and I'll wager the price won't be lower because it's a tv show on the big screen.
And that all of this is coming from the man who is on record as considering the theater experience to be dead or dying and that new avenues are what he's dedicated to in expanding the saga.
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So who's ready for 7,8,9!? I know what we've heard...but who actually believes what their told when money could be made hand over fist!!
No wonder LOTF has turned out the way it has...none of it is gonna matter!
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Jedimarine posted:
No wonder LOTF has turned out the way it has...none of it is gonna matter!
That would be the silver lining of this mess. 
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I'm actually more optimistic about Clone Wars than about further novels right now. While I'm a hardcore Lucenoite and will happily buy Millennium Falcon, the books seems to have...collectively lost the plot somewhere. I never really stepped into NJO and beyond, though I did some library browsing, and I'm not planning to in the future. I'm probably going to buy the Traviss novelization, though I hope it doesn't spend the entire pagecount trying to show the Jedi are morally bankrupt. I'll also be checking out Karen Miller to see how she adapts to the EU.
My feeling is - the guys in charge of Clone Wars know who Sora Bulq is, so that's a good start. And if they address the one thing that I felt was missing from the Clone Wars EU...."Heroes on both sides" and the exploring the Separatists as a serious threat with realistic motives - I will be thrilled.
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Bah, Anakin's padawan was just off-camera!
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Jedimarine posted:
Self-Destruct Code 1 1A 2B...
Zero, zero, zero . . . destruct, zero.
Peripheral. I swear.
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Kaje
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God. Damn.
I'm really upset about this. It honestly seems like these people have absolutely no respect for the reader and viewers. I'm so fricking pissed about this that I seriously feel like abandoning SW altogether.
But I won't. These kriffers have me for life. I hate you, LFL. I hate you so hard.
I really do.
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Charlemagne19
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Kaje posted:
God. Damn.
I'm really upset about this. It honestly seems like these people have absolutely no respect for the reader and viewers. I'm so fricking pissed about this that I seriously feel like abandoning SW altogether.
But I won't. These kriffers have me for life. I hate you, LFL. I hate you so hard.
I really do.
Overreacting much?
Star Wars, EU is just a comic book universe with novels.
We're lucky continuity is better than Spiderman.
But it won't be if it lasts as long as Spiderman.
That's just the nature of the beast.
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