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The2ndQuest
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RE: What can the Big Three learn from Batman?
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Sorry, we're discussing a couple different ntoions, so I'll specify KOTOR being a brand name is a flaw in your suggestion that anything shy a major Lucas film could establish a new set of main characters. Yet KOTOR, a game only released on the 2nd/3rd tier Xbox system and for rhe waning PC market, managed to make itself a viable brand name and it's characters becoming massively popular.
And then along those lines, regardless if the title is cashing in on the SW brand or the KOTOR brand, if the new characters are engaging enough, people will stick with it and continue to make it a brand. If they're not? They go the way of the dodo or become supporting characters or a title is outright canceled.
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Charlemagne19
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Date Posted:
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RE: What can the Big Three learn from Batman?
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The2ndQuest posted:
Sorry, we're discussing a couple different ntoions, so I'll specify KOTOR being a brand name is a flaw in your suggestion that anything shy a major Lucas film could establish a new set of main characters. Yet KOTOR, a game only released on the 2nd/3rd tier Xbox system and for rhe waning PC market, managed to make itself a viable brand name and it's characters becoming massively popular.
And then along those lines, regardless if the title is cashing in on the SW brand or the KOTOR brand, if the new characters are engaging enough, people will stick with it and continue to make it a brand. If they're not? They go the way of the dodo or become supporting characters or a title is outright canceled.
Uh, okay. Sure. Even if it wasn't a Star Wars title, video games can be successful if they're good. That's my point. Star Wars by itself has brand name recognition value, just like DC comics has. I'm not trying to argue that. Just the original characters have viability above and beyond it.
Can we get back to the Big Three now?
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Kaje
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Luke wasn't in "My Brother, My Enemy?"
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Charlemagne19
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Kaje posted:
Luke wasn't in "My Brother, My Enemy?"
That was really the end of the Empire series wasn't it?
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Kaje
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No. It's got a big ole Rebellion label slapped on the cover.
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ZanderSolo
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Kinda offtopic, but oh well.
Im kinda new to the comics(started with Legacy/Kotor), but i was under the impression that:
Republic->Empire->Rebellion.
I thought they ran into each other. Yes no maybe?
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While I see havok’s point and share his appreciation of the saga’s growth and continuation, I also see charlamagne’s point.
From a pragmatic point of view star wars is becoming very much like a comic universe. We have movies, tv shows, video games, novels, and comics. It’s getting a bit too hard to keep it all strait. I think the best way to approach it now is to look for internal consistency within the individual mediums, and consistency with the films.
I would love to see one master time line that you can read watch and play from start to finish, but when we try to do that, we end up with some fairly convoluted things, like the clone wars cartoons and the cw novels. They both tell the story of anakin becoming a knight, but they do it in completely different ways. I tend to rank the novels higher than the show in my own view of the star wars saga. I also really enjoy the clone wars cartoon.
The clone wars cartoon was made to show the events of the clone wars to a large audience including children. Many members of this audience would not have read the novels, so to them the cartoon version of Anakin’s promotion to jedi knight is the only version that they know.
As time goes on and star wars continues to spread and evolve I think that Lucas and his people will have no choice but to abandon the idea of a core continuity. If they don’t they risk having such an unwieldy and convoluted time line that a casual fan, or a fan of one specific medium won’t be able to figure out what’s going on. This would alienate such a person and that person would then stop spending money on star wars, which would be bad.
Lucas has also stated that he considers the EU to be an alternate universe from his own.
I’m open to an Iconic take on the big three similar to the All Star books from DC and the Ultimate books from marvel. In this continuity the characters would be pretty much ageless and would return to their roots in the movies. This doesn’t mean that the characters wouldn’t change or evolve; they would just do so a bit differently than they would if they were real. I also don’t see why this Ultimate line couldn’t exist along side the established EU. I don’t see why people think there has to be one or the other.
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Kaje
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5/12 7:42pm
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No. Star Wars Ongoing was relabeled Republic was relabeled Dark Times. Empire was relabeled Rebellion.
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Charlemagne19 posted:
It's hard to argue Rebellion is a Luke Skywalker comic given the first arc didn't have him in it.
It's hard to argue anything when you're completely wrong. My Brother, My Enemy was just a little heavy on Luke. In fact, of four arcs we know of for Rebellion, one doesn't have Luke in it.
At any rate, you're the one who isn't making a point. Everyone knows that people like Luke. Everyone knows he's more popular than Zayne Carrick. The point is that stories don't need to be all about Luke Skywalker. Luke Skywalker isn't the franchise, he doesn't need to go on forever, he doesn't need to stay twenty forever.
He's not Batman, and he doesn't need to be Batman, and he doesn't have much to learn from Batman because it's a completely different kind of franchise. Can you please stop continually moving the goalposts?
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5/12 7:43pm
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No. Republic was sold at the same time as Empire. Their stories are unconnected. After RotS, Republic became Dark Times and Empire became Rebellion.
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Kaje posted:
No. It's got a big ole Rebellion label slapped on the cover.
Glad to know it, I very much enjoyed that arc.
Getting back to my point and disregarding the tangent that we seemed to get on. Basically, I definitely would like to see the continuing adventures of Han, Luke, and Leia, They're an important of the Saga for me and their psychology has only really been barely touched on. I think one of the biggest failures of the EU is the fact that Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin attempted to ride on the coat tails of their families success for much of their storytelling history. Cade and Zayne work a great deal because they're fundamentally their own men. Part of what I dislike about the modern EU is the fact that it reads like a Batman and Robin comic where Batman is the sidekick.
I like Jacen, I like Jaina, and I like Ben/Anakin. I would love to see though them take up supporting roles to the Big heroes though. I think they'd work better in this regard as it makes more sense in universe.
People know people want to see Batman. Robin has his own stories but they're separate from Batman and divided psychologically.
Havac posted:
He's not Batman, and he doesn't need to be Batman, and he doesn't have much to learn from Batman because it's a completely different kind of franchise. Can you please stop continually moving the goalposts?
Sorry, let's readjust. Clearly this shouldn't be frustrating for you because it's an entertainment for the both of us and I don't mean to trouble you.
What can the marketers and writers learn from Batman and the Comic Industry to making Fresh Stories about Luke and Company?
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Charlemagne19 posted:
Well in Comic Book Continuity, Batman has actually been fighting for 23 years straight (Crisis on Infinite Earths-1985).
Crisis isn't fixed in 1985. Crisis slides forward at a lag behind the current day - Crisis now occurred 13 years prior to present, or 1995.
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dizfactor posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
Well in Comic Book Continuity, Batman has actually been fighting for 23 years straight (Crisis on Infinite Earths-1985).
Crisis isn't fixed in 1985. Crisis slides forward at a lag behind the current day - Crisis now occurred 13 years prior to present, or 1994.
I stand corrected.
For awhile, I thought it didn't occur in temporal time since Earth and history was rebooted. It's hard to have a Crisis when Supergirl never existed.
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Thanks for clarification Kaje and Rogue!
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Charlemagne19 posted:
dizfactor posted:
Charlemagne19 posted:
Well in Comic Book Continuity, Batman has actually been fighting for 23 years straight (Crisis on Infinite Earths-1985).
Crisis isn't fixed in 1985. Crisis slides forward at a lag behind the current day - Crisis now occurred 13 years prior to present, or 1994.
I stand corrected.
For awhile, I thought it didn't occur in temporal time since Earth and history was rebooted. It's hard to have a Crisis when Supergirl never existed.
The actual events of Crisis never happened in the surviving timeline, but some version of them happened. Barry Allen existed and died saving the universe, etc - it just didn't happen the same way.
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