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MandaloreWarrior77
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Dec '04
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Date Posted:
5/12 6:11pm
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Similarity in Lightsaber Forms
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Through my time reading about the lightsaber forms i have noticed that each of them share similarities with one another.
Here are the forms:
Form I-basics
Form II-fencing
Form III-defense and blaster deflection
Form IV-acrobatics and offense
Form V-pure offense
Form VI-mix of I, III, IV, and V
Form VII-unpredictable
I notice that both II and III include tight precise defensive moves, and sounds like form III is just II with more emphasis on defense. IV and V both have emphasis on offense. Form VII requires mastery of other forms. With this theory of similarity between the forms it begs to be asked the question of them all being completely separate forms? Another theory is that it could be that I-V are just the building blocks to the ultimate discipline of form VII and that VI is just suited for diplomats who just want little knowledge. Another is that maybe its not meant that they stick to one form only, and instead use the forms as a clearer idea of what they want in their own style which would result in mix-matching.
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dizfactor
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Form II is like fencing - the blade is held pointed forward instead of up, in one hand, with the body turned sideways. Curved-handled sabers like Dooku's are designed to be held that way. It's designed for combat with other melee weapons, especially other sabers, and it's pretty much useless against anything else.
Form III is totally different. The saber is held pointed up, with both hands, in front of the torso, the better to block blaster bolts and other attacks. Form V is most similar to Form III - same stance, except with a more aggressive posture and an emphasis on attacks and not blocking. The ANH duel is Form V vs Form III - Vader stands there and dishes it out, Kenobi stands there and takes it.
Form IV is pretty balanced in terms of offense versus defense, but it's most distinctly about mobility, Yoda being the classic example.
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MandaloreWarrior77
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I didn't so much mean the different stances, just how blade work between forms seemed similar. Sorry for not clarifying.
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Well, the lightsaber forms are not what is displayed in the movies. They're stuff made up after the fact, with pretty much no relation to what goes on on screen.
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I fail to understand the reverence so many people have for saber forms, where all you see is a word in a book with nothing to visualise but an imagination.
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Excellence posted:
I fail to understand the reverence so many people have for saber forms, where all you see is a word in a book with nothing to visualise but an imagination.
Isn't that the point?
The idea that every Jedi fights in the same way and that nobody ever bothered in 25000 years of history to codify these ways of fighting is a lot more illogical than the idea that every movement has a name. These things have to be taught somehow.
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Jedimarine
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Except the "codifying" has been error riddled and vague from the beginning.
And using the terminology in prose is lazy way to dodge a sentence or two of explanation to truly create an image of the moment, instead of drawing some reference "pose" people have in their minds.
It might make the super-saber fan club giggle with nerdgasms...but it's obnoxious and a cheat to those not up on the latest rewrite of "saber style names".
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And that's the point. You can say Mara assumed a juyo stance, whatever the Sio Bibble that means, or you can spare a few lines, no more than a couple sentences tops, to give readers sharper holovid recpetion.
Show vs tell, and either way, all you're going to do is see laser blades swinging in your head, while another part adds vvmmmm-hmmm to it, right?
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Excellence posted:
And that's the point. You can say Mara assumed a juyo stance, whatever the Sio Bibble that means, or you can spare a few lines, no more than a couple sentences tops, to give readers sharper holovid recpetion.
Show vs tell, and either way, all you're going to do is see laser blades swinging in your head, while another part adds vvmmmm-hmmm to it, right?
The more obnoxious element is the hamfisted attempt to attach these so-called "saber forms" to Nick Gillard or Bob Anderson's choreography from the films. Dooku apparently uses what is essentially fencing...but nothing in any of the Star Wars films remotely resembles fencing the slightest. The closest anything comes is Vader's one-handed stint in Empire. And even that's hardly in the same parish. 
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What I find more ridiculous was them giving a name to darksiders using psychological warfare, then calling Luke's attempts to save Vader from the darkside on the second Death Star reverse dun much or whatever it was called. Next they'll be calling talking a special skill.
In the movies, they can only go so far with choreography, but in the books, it can sound much cooler at least, depending on the author (Stover's awesome RotS novelization for instance) even if lightsaber fighting essentially comes down to three elements- offense, defense, and mobility, with the seven forms emphasizing one or the other or all three in different ways. Still, it essentially comes down to hack and slash, or blocking, with Force powers thrown in. Though do people need to be Force sensitive to wield a lightsaber? Of course, Mace Windu's style has him close to the darkside, but that's Mace Windu so everything's special about him  .
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Nope you do not need to be Force Sensitive to use a Lightsaber, Han uses one in Empire after all.
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Scarran posted:
Nope you do not need to be Force Sensitive to use a Lightsaber, Han uses one in Empire after all.
I think he meant "wield effectively in combat", not just "pick up and turn it on". 
Though there are some non-FSes who are pretty handy with a lightsaber.
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Jedimarine
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Grievous for starters.
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In the ANH novel Ben says that lightsabers are still widely used in some galactic quarters, and I don't think he's referring to Force sensitives.
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Rogue_Follower
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The Saber Rakes of the Tapani Sector, perhaps.
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perhaps.
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