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DarkestSith
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5/12 6:38pm
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"Reign" of the Empire
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I have read most of the SW books that take place after RotJ and the feeling you get from reading those books is that this big bad Empire lasted at least 1 or 2 centuries. The reality is that the Empire didn't even span an entire generation. 26 years from Revenge of the Sith to the loss of Coruscant. In 26 years the Empire somehow erased thousands of years of Jedi knowledge, they even erased the general knowledge about Jedi. Even people like Pellaeon who were alive and kicking well before the Clone Wars ended knew perilously little about Jedi. This is the only shortfall I have found in SW. Anyone have any wisdom as to how this 26 year "government" became such a threat and did so much?
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Charlemagne19
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DarkestSith posted:
I have read most of the SW books that take place after RotJ and the feeling you get from reading those books is that this big bad Empire lasted at least 1 or 2 centuries. The reality is that the Empire didn't even span an entire generation. 26 years from Revenge of the Sith to the loss of Coruscant. In 26 years the Empire somehow erased thousands of years of Jedi knowledge, they even erased the general knowledge about Jedi. Even people like Pellaeon who were alive and kicking well before the Clone Wars ended knew perilously little about Jedi. This is the only shortfall I have found in SW. Anyone have any wisdom as to how this 26 year "government" became such a threat and did so much?
Except...
1. Obi Wan Kenobi remembers the Old Republic.
2. Obi Wan is clearly not a few centuries old.
3. The Jedi were destroyed by the Empire.
4. Anakin was a Jedi.
So pretty much the first movie indicates the Empire is only about 20 years old since that's Luke's age.
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DarkestSith
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That is correct. And I am not suggesting that its actually a hundred years old but they talk like it is. Especially in the X-Wing series when you hear Wedge Antilles, Tycho Celchu, and Corran Horn talking about the Empire and their fall. And Jedi were mysterious but not so much that NO ONE would know anything about them in a span of 26 years...especially with all the Jedi they missed.
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Charlemagne19
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DarkestSith posted:
That is correct. And I am not suggesting that its actually a hundred years old but they talk like it is. Especially in the X-Wing series when you hear Wedge Antilles, Tycho Celchu, and Corran Horn talking about the Empire and their fall. And Jedi were mysterious but not so much that NO ONE would know anything about them in a span of 26 years...especially with all the Jedi they missed.
True, though its not entirely without a real life precedent. The Russian Revolution and Cultural Revolution of China really *DID* obliterate a lot.
People were AFRAID to talk about stuff like the past.
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ZanderSolo
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As an aside, it is pretty easy to destroy thousands of years of knowledge when it is quite convenietly all placed in one building.
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BobaMatt
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I chalk it up to two things:
1) Yes, the Empire really was that bad, that twenty years left such a scar.
2) At their very oldest, the men you're referring to were children during the Clone War. While they can read textbooks, they're not old enough to really have any perspective on the issue: Imperial Rule was the vast majority of their live.
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DarkestSith
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You are correct about the fighter jocks, but look at Pellaeon, he was around 30 or 40 years old during the Clone Wars. People like Mon Mothma, Jan Dodonna and Crix Madine were older and surely had a much clearer knowledge. Even Winter, while young, had a holographic memory. Dont even get me started on the Wookies...the Imperial Reign was like a week compared to how long they live.
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BobaMatt
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I guess that brings us back to the whole "Yeah, it was really that bad" thing.
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Charlemagne19
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I think it's actually demonstrated in ANH.
Admiral Motti was in his twenties during the Clone Wars.
He's never met a Jedi.
He was probably a low ranking Lieutenant or still in college.
Tarkin, being much older, has direct experience.
Tarkin knows what the Jedi can do and treats them considerably better.
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DarkestSith
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I think you are partially correct. Those born during the Clone Wars wouldnt have met Jedi because they were already spread thin and dying. And they were "that bad" but atrocities can only get you so far...oh well. Serves the Jedi right for consolidating all that information.
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Charlemagne19
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I think everyone actually KNOWS about the Jedi.
They're an inspiration to the universe.
However, even during the height of the prequels, they were mysterious and reclusive.
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Fettster
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Yeah...having just read Outbound Flight, I got the impression that nobody really knows what the Jedi are actually about/capable of. And I've noticed this same suspicion running through other PT-era works.
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Fettster posted:
Yeah...having just read Outbound Flight, I got the impression that nobody really knows what the Jedi are actually about/capable of. And I've noticed this same suspicion running through other PT-era works.
I suspect that The Jedi probably have a version of Dan Brown where he writes books that they're guarding the bloodline of Darth Revan and willing to kill the protect it from discovery. Also, the second book has the Sith (a secret society that doesn't exist and never did probably) trying to blow up the Jedi Temple with a quantum bomb.
No matter how public the Jedi are, people love the myth of it being a secret order of wizards who control everything.
Basically, when Admiral Motti is making a slur about the Jedi, he's basically making a fairly contemporary one. It's not that the Jedi Order has been dead very long, it's just outlawed now. A comparison might be someone insulting Buddhism during the height of the cultural revolution or Christianity during the Leninist purges.
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Fettster posted:
Yeah...having just read Outbound Flight, I got the impression that nobody really knows what the Jedi are actually about/capable of. And I've noticed this same suspicion running through other PT-era works.
When you figure that there's only 10,000 of them trying to police a whole galaxy, it's not that surprising. By galactic standards, they're the tiniest fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the population. They also (particularly prior to the Clone Wars) don't really seek out publicity or fame or those sorts of things.
So what you're left with is sketchy reports, few public examples (Yoda was certainly well-known, but there's little indication that too many other Jedi were "celebrities" until the Clone Wars hit), and a mysterious order of wizards that 99.99% of the galactic population will never see a member of in their lives, yet have a disproportionate amount of influence on galactic events.
Yeah, I think it's easy to see why the general public was both distrustful and generally ignorant of what the Jedi were all about.
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Charlemagne19
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Jmacq1 posted:
Yeah, I think it's easy to see why the general public was both distrustful and generally ignorant of what the Jedi were all about.
It's also interesting to note Palpatine had national heroes that he immediately blamed for everything.
Ironically, I think the Jedi are mostly responsible for everything good on most worlds at SOME point in the past.
Those 10,000 Jedi did a fairly good job patrolling the galaxy.
It just irritates the people who compose the losing factions.
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