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Will we ever see Revan as a villain in the "Knights" comic?
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Zorrixor
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Vrook_Lamar posted:
Zorrixor posted:
If he did turn out to be Nihilus I suppose the answer may be "Why did Nihilus survive Malachor?" We know how the Exile survived: she cut herself off from the Force. But Nihilus was the opposite, though we don't quite know in what ways he was 'opposite'. He didn't seem to so much cut himself off as open himself up to the pain and death to survive.
The cross comic link would be to say that Nihilus survived by "binding his soul to his armour", whatever that means.
I've always been left feeling a bit funny about that way of looking at it from Legacy. It just didn't seem to really fit how he was described in the game itself. If you had Visas with you, after killing him if you let her go and take his mask she would come back and say he was "just a man" which I trouble tying up with a walking suit of armor.
Personally, I prefer to see that as a case of Krayt simply being plain wrong as I can't make sense of it otherwise. I never really pictured him as having armor either, he was depicted much more like a ghost, just with the skull mask, so apart from some cloth robes he didn't really wear armor from my point of view.
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D-Murda
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Ulicus posted:
Like I said, I'm torn between my love for Zayne and desire to see him live a long, happy life... and my desire to see a tragedy on an epic scale. Still, if it's going to happen, then it was going to happen from the start. And while I'm starting to think I imagined it (I can't *find* it anywhere), I have the strangest memory of Dark Horse saying some years ago that they would explore Nihilus' past.
So... 
Still, like I said, I could have imagined/dreamt that.
Trust me, you didn't dream that. I remember there be something that said DarkHorse would be exploring Nihilus's past, and when Kotor the comic came out I figured it would be one of the characters from the series... either Zayne or Lucien... hopefully Lucien 
Since playing the first Kotor I've been following this era very closely.
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Zorrixor
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D-Murda posted:
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Like I said, I'm torn between my love for Zayne and desire to see him live a long, happy life... and my desire to see a tragedy on an epic scale. Still, if it's going to happen, then it was going to happen from the start. And while I'm starting to think I imagined it (I can't *find* it anywhere), I have the strangest memory of Dark Horse saying some years ago that they would explore Nihilus' past.
So...
Still, like I said, I could have imagined/dreamt that.
Trust me, you didn't dream that. I remember there be something that said DarkHorse would be exploring Nihilus's past, and when Kotor the comic came out I figured it would be one of the characters from the series... either Zayne or Lucien... hopefully Lucien
Since playing the first Kotor I've been following this era very closely.
Although I am still rooting for Lucien to become Sion a thought just entered my mind... 
Nihilus was the opposite of the Exile, right? 
So, what did the Exile do? Not what the Jedi Council thought she did, what she actually did? We are led to believe she leeched her power from people around her, but is this true or did the Jedi just wrongfully fear her the way they feared Nihilus when really she was bestowing her strength upon the ones around her? After all, the point of the game was for the Exile to rebuild the Jedi Order, empowering those around her to take up their lightsabers again or learn the ways of the Force for the first time.
From that point of view the Exile did not drain the people around her, she strengthened them. That is what made her such a good General, the people around her felt empowered, not drained. They were not like the zombies on Nihilus's ship, they were made stronger as if she was a constant source of battle meditation. Nihilus was not a constant source of strength for those around him, he was a leech, a parasite.
The Exile was Peter Petrelli. Nihilus was Sylar.
What was Zayne like when he was around Lucien? Weak.
What is Zayne like now that he is away from Lucien? Strong.
Was Lucien doing the opposite of the Exile and draining the people around him? Is that why people believed Zayne was such a bad Padawan? 
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goraq
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,,by the way a sith Lord needs a lot charisma and Zayne is not to charismatic,,
,,Zayne is quite charismatic. Non-charismatic people don't go around befriending large ammounts of people while being a well known fugitive. A non-charismatic person wouldn't get away with causing the trouble Zayne gets away with.,,
First impressions
Cleste hardlz impressed
Lucien not impressed at all
Marn Hierogryph not impressed at all
Ranaa Tey not impressed at all
He gets some respect later,from Carth,Alek and others,but he is clearly not a Skywalker or someone how could necome Nihilius.
I was wrong some charisma,and a couple of suprising skills,but i dont think he is charismatic enough to be a potential Sith Lord.
Most partners are friends,he makes bounds easily but he is not a real leader Like Revan,Lucien......
Lucien is clearly always the leader but Zayne is more like co leader how shares leadership with other 2 3 ,,teammembers,,
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Zorrixor posted:
D-Murda posted:
Ulicus posted:
Like I said, I'm torn between my love for Zayne and desire to see him live a long, happy life... and my desire to see a tragedy on an epic scale. Still, if it's going to happen, then it was going to happen from the start. And while I'm starting to think I imagined it (I can't *find* it anywhere), I have the strangest memory of Dark Horse saying some years ago that they would explore Nihilus' past.
So...
Still, like I said, I could have imagined/dreamt that.
Trust me, you didn't dream that. I remember there be something that said DarkHorse would be exploring Nihilus's past, and when Kotor the comic came out I figured it would be one of the characters from the series... either Zayne or Lucien... hopefully Lucien
Since playing the first Kotor I've been following this era very closely.
Although I am still rooting for Lucien to become Sion a thought just entered my mind...
Nihilus was the opposite of the Exile, right?
So, what did the Exile do? Not what the Jedi Council thought she did, what she actually did? We are led to believe she leeched her power from people around her, but is this true or did the Jedi just wrongfully fear her the way they feared Nihilus when really she was bestowing her strength upon the ones around her? After all, the point of the game was for the Exile to rebuild the Jedi Order, empowering those around her to take up their lightsabers again or learn the ways of the Force for the first time.
From that point of view the Exile did not drain the people around her, she strengthened them. That is what made her such a good General, the people around her felt empowered, not drained. They were not like the zombies on Nihilus's ship, they were made stronger as if she was a constant source of battle meditation. Nihilus was not a constant source of strength for those around him, he was a leech, a parasite.
The Exile was Peter Petrelli. Nihilus was Sylar.
What was Zayne like when he was around Lucien? Weak.
What is Zayne like now that he is away from Lucien? Strong.
Was Lucien doing the opposite of the Exile and draining the people around him? Is that why people believed Zayne was such a bad Padawan?
I could see where that's true, which means he'd be leaching off the seers as well. He might of even seen his own vision. If I didn't already hate the theory of Haazen=Sion, I would welcome this theory. But...no, I can't allow that. If Zayne leeched off people like Nihilus, it would of started from Malachor. They both(Nihilus & Exile) would be very similar, maybe even related, but Malachor changed everything. One turned it's back on the horrors, while one embraced it. It could be possible that Nihilus could've somehow absorbed all the Exile's force powers, causing the Exile to be stripped of the force(which was what happened).
P.S. Also, Zayne and the Exile were both present at Serroco(allegedly). As a matter of fact, Zayne is present at a lot of catastrophic events(like Nihilus).
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goraq
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I like the Sion is Haazen idea to,but in the comics he has no real legs.I dont Think Haayen will fall to the dark side,i think he will just ,,dance,, with it.
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goraq posted:
I like the Sion is Haazen idea to,but in the comics he has no real legs.I dont Think Haayen will fall to the dark side,i think he will just ,,dance,, with it.
Him being half cyborg is what I don't like about it.
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I only like the idea that Haazen is Sion if Kreia is also Krynda, because then it gives a new dynamic to their conversations in The Sith Lords. However I'm not too keen on Kreia = Krynda, though I prefer it to Kreia = Handmaiden's Mother.
Haazen's cybernetics don't really fit with the description of Sion you find in the Harbinger's medical logs. If Sion had been a cyborg they would have mentioned it rather than just saying that his bones were all broken.
Sion - Lucien is good because it also effects Kreia and Sion's dialogues (assuming Kreia = Krynda). Both Haazen and Lucien might be equally used to ordering around Jedi Shadows, so Sion's assassins could fit both of them.
Thankfully the only real thing backing up Nihilus = Zayne is him being a bit like the Exile, since the destroyer of worlds thing almost certainly applies to Malak instead.
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Zorrixor posted:
Although I am still rooting for Lucien to become Sion a thought just entered my mind...
Nihilus was the opposite of the Exile, right?
So, what did the Exile do? Not what the Jedi Council thought she did, what she actually did? We are led to believe she leeched her power from people around her, but is this true or did the Jedi just wrongfully fear her the way they feared Nihilus when really she was bestowing her strength upon the ones around her? After all, the point of the game was for the Exile to rebuild the Jedi Order, empowering those around her to take up their lightsabers again or learn the ways of the Force for the first time.
From that point of view the Exile did not drain the people around her, she strengthened them. That is what made her such a good General, the people around her felt empowered, not drained. They were not like the zombies on Nihilus's ship, they were made stronger as if she was a constant source of battle meditation. Nihilus was not a constant source of strength for those around him, he was a leech, a parasite.
The Exile was Peter Petrelli. Nihilus was Sylar.
What was Zayne like when he was around Lucien? Weak.
What is Zayne like now that he is away from Lucien? Strong.
Was Lucien doing the opposite of the Exile and draining the people around him? Is that why people believed Zayne was such a bad Padawan?
Interesting thought.
Still, from the interview he gave over at Knights, it seems that Avellone's intent (which may or may not be canon) was that the Exile and Nihilus were individuals with the same "unique" gift who went down different paths. Nihilus was an indication of what the Exile could become. He was her "dark half" (metaphorically, anyway - he wasn't literally a half of her that had been split).
Still, you idea could very well work and the Sylar/Peter comparison is cool.
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cbagmjg posted:
Zorrixor posted:
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[quote=Ulicus]
Like I said, I'm torn between my love for Zayne and desire to see him live a long, happy life... and my desire to see a tragedy on an epic scale. Still, if it's going to happen, then it was going to happen from the start. And while I'm starting to think I imagined it (I can't *find* it anywhere), I have the strangest memory of Dark Horse saying some years ago that they would explore Nihilus' past.
So...
Still, like I said, I could have imagined/dreamt that.
Trust me, you didn't dream that. I remember there be something that said DarkHorse would be exploring Nihilus's past, and when Kotor the comic came out I figured it would be one of the characters from the series... either Zayne or Lucien... hopefully Lucien
Since playing the first Kotor I've been following this era very closely.
Although I am still rooting for Lucien to become Sion a thought just entered my mind...
Nihilus was the opposite of the Exile, right?
So, what did the Exile do? Not what the Jedi Council thought she did, what she actually did? We are led to believe she leeched her power from people around her, but is this true or did the Jedi just wrongfully fear her the way they feared Nihilus when really she was bestowing her strength upon the ones around her? After all, the point of the game was for the Exile to rebuild the Jedi Order, empowering those around her to take up their lightsabers again or learn the ways of the Force for the first time.
From that point of view the Exile did not drain the people around her, she strengthened them. That is what made her such a good General, the people around her felt empowered, not drained. They were not like the zombies on Nihilus's ship, they were made stronger as if she was a constant source of battle meditation. Nihilus was not a constant source of strength for those around him, he was a leech, a parasite.
The Exile was Peter Petrelli. Nihilus was Sylar.
What was Zayne like when he was around Lucien? Weak.
What is Zayne like now that he is away from Lucien? Strong.
Was Lucien doing the opposite of the Exile and draining the people around him? Is that why people believed Zayne was such a bad Padawan?
I could see where that's true, which means he'd be leaching off the seers as well. He might of even seen his own vision. If I didn't already hate the theory of Haazen=Sion, I would welcome this theory. But...no, I can't allow that. If Zayne leeched off people like Nihilus, it would of started from Malachor. They both(Nihilus & Exile) would be very similar, maybe even related, but Malachor changed everything. One turned it's back on the horrors, while one embraced it. It could be possible that Nihilus could've somehow absorbed all the Exile's force powers, causing the Exile to be stripped of the force(which was what happened).
P.S. Also, Zayne and the Exile were both present at Serroco(allegedly). As a matter of fact, Zayne is present at a lot of catastrophic events(like Nihilus).[/quote]
Nah, it was said that the Exile was the only one who turned away from the Force. It wasn't stripped away from her... but it was about to happen near the end of Kotor2 when the Masters were about to strip her of it.
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Vrook_Lamar posted:
However I'm not too keen on Kreia = Krynda, though I prefer it to Kreia = Handmaiden's Mother.
Now, see, in my mind, that's by far the best Kreia theory, not the least reason for it being the heavy implications within the game itself.
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After reading the last KOTOR issue with (Celeste's imprisonment),and seeing the way Zayne and Cassus Fett interact with each other...its possible Zayne...Zayne's relationship with the Mandalorians...could have led him to being the hero of the Mandalorian Wars..aka Revan..
BUT....
but what about this scene?
When the Mandalorians bombed a planet...
wasnt Zayne shown at A DIFFERENT LOCATION then Alek/Revanchist at the same time the bombing occured..like on a ship captured with Carth Onasi at the same time Alek (Malak) was with Revan...so this COMPLETELY DISPUTES this theory...now please put to rest the Zayne=Revan theories...thank you and good night!
sorry to bust your bubbles but buck up and move on already..tired of these mundane accusations!
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I've been wondering if perhaps the focus of the comic could shift to Alek and the Revanchist for a while since Zayne's Covenant-hunting story seems to be winding down a bit.
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Shadojoker posted:
After reading the last KOTOR issue with (Celeste's imprisonment),and seeing the way Zayne and Cassus Fett interact with each other...its possible Zayne...Zayne's relationship with the Mandalorians...could have led him to being the hero of the Mandalorian Wars..aka Revan..
BUT....
but what about this scene?
When the Mandalorians bombed a planet...
wasnt Zayne shown at A DIFFERENT LOCATION then Alek/Revanchist at the same time the bombing occured..like on a ship captured with Carth Onasi at the same time Alek (Malak) was with Revan...so this COMPLETELY DISPUTES this theory...now please put to rest the Zayne=Revan theories...thank you and good night!
sorry to bust your bubbles but buck up and move on already..tired of these mundane accusations!
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Well I think the theory was about whether the Revanchist we see in the comics is Kreia.
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Kaje posted:
I've been wondering if perhaps the focus of the comic could shift to Alek and the Revanchist for a while since Zayne's Covenant-hunting story seems to be winding down a bit.
I'd like that. Things should always get back to Zayne, but I don't think KotOR should be exclusively wrapped up in his story and journey. I can see Zayne becoming one of the Revanchist's "honorary apprentices", anyway. (And REALLY coming into his own as a powerful Jedi)
Which bodes ill for him, considering the scrolling text of KotOR I.
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