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Trip  2363 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:27pm Subject: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved - Date Edited: 5/18/08 7:57pm (7 edits total) Edited By: Trip
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Leia Organa, newly Leia Organa Solo, sat behind Han and Chewbacca on the flight deck of the Millennium Falcon. The twin suns of the Tatoo system were hanging outside the forward viewport, a pair of white eyes blazing up from the black well of space. Like all twins, they were bound together by a tie as unpredictable as it was powerful. Sometimes, the bond boosted their luminosity far beyond that of two normal suns. At other times, it sent waves of ionic discharge pulsing across space to scramble circuits and reorient core-relative compasses. Today, the twins were assailing the Falcon with electromagnetic blasts, overloading her sensors and filling the cockpit speakers with static. As Chewbacca worked to raise the proper filters, the static faded from a roar to a crackle, then softened to a hiss, which rose and fell in a sharp rhythm. Puzzled by the odd snickering sound, Leia glanced over at the master comm console and found the reception indicator still scanning for signals. She leaned forward against her crash webbing.

"Han, do you hear..."

No sound came from her mouth. The snicker became a deep chuckle, and a nebula of black gas began to gather in front of the Falcon. Han showed no reaction to it. Neither did Chewbacca, even when it coalesced into the cowl of a Jedi cloak.

"Han! Don't you see..."

Again, her voice made no sound. Glaring out from beneath the cowl, the twin suns looked more than ever like eyes-heartless eyes, full of malice and power lust. Where the cloud was thin, crooked streaks of purple radiance created the impression of a twisted mouth and wrinkled face.

The mouth rose at the corners. "Mine."

The voice was cruel and distinct and rife with dark side power. Leia gasped-silently-and tried to raise an arm that had suddenly grown as heavy as the Falcon.

The smile became a sneer. "Mine."

Still, neither Han nor Chewbacca seemed to notice what was happening. Leia would have screamed, had her mouth been willing to obey.

The nebula began to thicken, and the purple wrinkles faded behind its inky veil. The twin suns dimmed to darkness, and the black cloud assumed the shape of a familiar mask-a mask of harsh angles and obsidian sheen, framed by the long, flaring neck apron of an equally black helmet. Vader's helmet.

A chill wave of nausea washed over Leia. The curved eye lenses grew transparent, but instead of the blazing brightness of Tatooine's twin suns-or the angry red-rimmed gaze of Darth Vader-she found herself looking into her brother's soft blue eyes. "Luke! What are you..."

Her question remained as silent as the others she had asked. Luke's eyes grew hollow and hard and haunted, and the helmet moved slowly from side to side. Blue flickers of electricity snaked across the speech circuits behind the respiratory screen, but his words were rendered nearly inaudible by static crackling. Leia made out something about not following and staying out of darkness; then Luke fell silent again. She tried to tell him that his equipment was malfunctioning, that his voice had been obscured, but before she could find a way to make herself heard, the helmet stopped moving.

Luke locked gazes and held her transfixed for what might have been seconds... or minutes... his eyes now the lifeless blue of ice. Leia grew cold, and frightened, and the mask dissolved back into the black nothingness of space, leaving her to stare out once again into the mind-stabbing brilliance of the Tatoo system's twin suns.

- Tatooine Ghost




the island rain forests darkened to a deep, night-colored purple. Two white dots began to glow up from the heart of one of the shadowy islands, and Jacen found himself staring into the spots. They were larger and brighter than any of the lights on the oceans, and the longer he looked, the more they resembled eyes- white, blazing eyes staring up at him from a well of darkness.

A few wisps of cloud drifted across the face of the shadowy island, creating the impression of a lopsided mouth and a spectral face.

The mouth rose at the corners. "Mine."

The words were breathy and cold and rife with dark side power . . . and the voice was familiar. It sounded like Jacen's. He leaned closer to the viewport, studying the wispy features below, trying to decide whether he was seeing his own face.

But the clouds were not cooperating. The wisps drifted into a new arrangement, and a lumpy brow appeared above the eyes. The cheeks grew sunken and smashed, while the mouth became gaping and twisted. Then the entire face began to expand, drawing a veil of shadow over the rest of the planet and dimming its sea of scintillating lights.

The mouth rose at one corner, and the smile became a sneer. "Mine."

This time, the voice was too low and harsh to be Jacen's. He felt relieved, since the mangled face could not be a vision of his future if the voice did not belong to him.

The shadowy head continued to expand, swelling beyond the edges of the planet and engulfing the Hapan moons. The face became long and gaunt, its features now defined by patterns of the half-obscured light shining through from the surface of the planet.

"Mine."

This time the word was crisp and commanding, and the head continued to grow, becoming round and coarse. It swelled beyond what Jacen could see through his viewport, dimming the stars to all sides of Hapes and engulfing-as far as he could tell-the entire known galaxy. Most of the face vanished into unrecognizable patterns of light and shadow, but the eyes remained, expanding into a pair of blazing white suns. "Mine!"

The white eyes flashed out of existence with all the brilliance of a pair of exploding novas, and Jacen felt as if an incendiary grenade had detonated in his head. He let out an involuntary groan and whirled away, hands clamped to his face.

- Legacy of the Force: Tempest




"There isn't," Luke pivoted around and glared down on [Jaina] with eyes that suddenly looked like a pair of suns blazing up from a dark well. "And it's not your responsibility to worry about those lives. Its mine-- mine, Jedi Solo. Is that clear?"

- Legacy of the Force: Invincible

 

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Master_Keralys  6379 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:32pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Holy crap. That's about all I can say. Holy crap.

. . .


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Lord_Vivec  18121 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:33pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Master_Keralys posted:
Holy crap. That's about all I can say. Holy crap.

. . .


- Keralys

QFT.

I wonder what the deeper meaning is. Perhaps a foreshadowing.

 

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canadianjedimama  1771 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:33pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Dude.

hypnotized

Now somebody try to tell me that this whole darn thing hasn't been planned out since the NJO...

not_talking

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Master_Keralys  6379 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:37pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
I have one more reaction.

Jacen won. He was right.

...

Holy crap.

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beccatoria  1923 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:39pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
canadianjedimama posted:
Dude.

hypnotized

Now somebody try to tell me that this whole darn thing hasn't been planned out since the NJO...

not_talking

CJM


I'm pretty sure TG was written post NJO. It's a Denning thing, but it's sure as hell deliberate.

 

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Jeff_Ferguson  1676 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:47pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Wow. That's... awesome. I was actually wondering before reading the book if there was going to be anything else on that vision.

Is it just me, or does Denning accomplish a lot via subtleties such as that one? Like what poster DarthCaedus1138 pointed out in the Invincible thread:

He was staring up toward the ceiling, his gaze fixed somewhere far beyond the murk overhead, and the only attempt he made to save himself was to take one step into the light spilling from the furnace.

Dudes... Jacen was redeemed. Or maybe he wasn't; I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about that --- I just want to point out that Denning accomplishes so much with so little.

 

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canadianjedimama  1771 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:51pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
thinking

Seems like the "Mine" shadowed Jacen from conception to death...

Oh, and a double hypnotized because it was Luke in those visions not Jacen, at least until Luke started projecting himself into Jacen's visions...

*falls over*

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DanikKreldin  59 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:53pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
I'm so confused... so what's the deeper meaning behind it all? Any theories/insights?

 

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Master_Keralys  6379 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:55pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Jacen saved Luke from falling to the dark side, indeed, quite possibly from becoming a Dark Lord of the Sith.

That's the implication.

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Lord_Vivec  18121 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:57pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
But why would Luke have fallen to the dark side in the first place?

 

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PointGiven  782 posts
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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:57pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
I would argue that Jacen brought Luke closer to it. How would Luke have fallen without the Confederation-GA war and with Mara still alive?

 

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Date Posted: 5/18/08 7:59pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
That's a good question, but you compare these visions with the encounter in the end of Betrayal, along with Luke's visions throughout the book and Jacen's visions throughout the book, and the implication is that the identity of the Dark Man has not yet been assigned. He's not real because he's not yet locked down between the two.

What would have made him fall? Who knows?

But answer me this: why would a not fallen Jacen Solo kill Luke Skywalker, per his future-walking at the end of Betrayal?

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Date Posted: 5/18/08 8:03pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Lord_Vivec posted:
But why would Luke have fallen to the dark side in the first place?


That's the question, isn't it?

PointGiven posted:
I would argue that Jacen brought Luke closer to it. How would Luke have fallen without the Confederation-GA war and with Mara still alive?


Except that in those visions, Luke is clearly a Sith Lord and he never ends up as one. We could argue that's because he sent Jaina not himself, but I'd submit that was only one of the possible ways this repeating and persistant future vision could have played out.

Jacen turns to the dark side to prevent the futures he sees where he ends up killing Luke. Why would that ever happen? Unless Jacen was going to go dark anyway, or Luke needed killing?

Now, no, I have no idea how or why that would have occured, though it does occur to me that it was killing Lumiya that tainted him, not Jacen's betrayal or Mara's death. And Lumiya was always going to be on the scene. Had Jacen turned her down, her machinations would have continued. Mara, or Ben, might still have ended up dead.

 

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Date Posted: 5/18/08 8:20pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Leia's vision in Tatooine Ghost merely a foreshadowing of the events of Dark Empire a few years later? Palpatine's return and Luke succumbing to the dark side.

And I thought it was established that Jacen's vision was a foreshadowing of Darth Krayt's Sith, with one of their prominent members being "White Eyes", as featured in the Legacy novels?

The way I see it, the concept of white eyes has remained the same throughout, but they were referring to different visions.

 

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Date Posted: 5/18/08 8:24pm Subject: RE: Tatooine Ghost and Invincible: Spoilers Herein: Mod Approved
Killing Lumiya started him down the path towards the dark side, and maybe THAT is what she wanted all along. Maybe Jacen was a means to an end after all? Maybe we're going to see bad luke. I mean....I really REALLY doubt it. but you never know. And besides, now that Jacen's gone, who's going to fight him. Guess who doesn't want to see Jaina vs Luke. This guy. or Leah vs Luke. Good Jacen vs Bad luke would've been epic.

 

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