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SithStarSlayer
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Date Posted:
5/30 1:34pm
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Karness Muur and Celeste Morne discusion thread...
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How ancient was Muur, if the Old Sith Empire ran from 6,900 to 5,000? If Naga Sadow translated the Codex before 4,400 BBY and the talisman was regarded as 'ancient' to the Sith Lords of Sadow's era, then how strong in the Force was Muur to have staved off abomination for so long? Also, I wonder will he try to take over Vader, should Morne fall to the Sith's blade? We already know the Talisman makes it's way to Cade, so Vader somehow has re-bury it the Oubliette. Does Celeste make it to the Cade encounter, or will it be just the Talisman? I was impressed with how she battled Vader and the troops, especially after just waking up from a 40 millenia nap. So is she ends up being Cade's mom as somebody else suggested, how powerful is Cade as the son of two Jedi (not mention one had Skywalker blood)?
MODS, I couldn't find anything related to this, if I am wrong please redirect and lock.
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Zorrixor
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5/30 1:39pm
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RE: Karness Muur and Celeste Morne discusion thread...
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I'm in two minds about this.
Part of me just wants Karness Muur to be an early Sith Lord from the Old Sith Empire. That is really the simplest thing and would be explained easily enough. He was this dude who decided to leave the Empire and carve his own kingdom, Dreypa opposed him and due to a chain of events we know little about Muur was defeatd and his Talisman lost.
There's a big part of me that wants to see that. Its easy. It makes sense.
But theres also a part of me that is just screaming for it to tie in with Revan discovering Malachor in the comics. For Muur to just be a member of the Old Sith Empire is perhaps a bit dull because it is just too obvious. If instead he was a member of the 'True Sith' and somehow tied in with Malachor that would perhaps present the opportunity in the comics to explore some new ideas and answer some new questions, plus possibly link in with the upcoming exploration of Andeddu in Legacy.
So... I'm torn. Old Sith Empire or Pre-Old Sith Empire? Hmmm... 
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SithStarSlayer
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5/30 1:47pm
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RE: Karness Muur and Celeste Morne discusion thread...
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For Muur to just be a member of the Old Sith Empire is perhaps a bit dull because it is just too obvious.
I completely agree, and I like the multiple tie-ins.
Revan, Malachor (maybe Muur visited and it was never recorded), true Sith(possible), Unknown regions (what happened to Dreypa?), did Revan ever know of the Talisman, or Dreypa, when did Revan first visit Malachor?...
Any way we slice it, Muur was a nice addition to the Talisman.
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The True Sith don't exist!
;-)
That's what makes Revan's quest funny!
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Ulicus
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5/30 2:00pm
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Zorrixor posted:
I'm in two minds about this.
Part of me just wants Karness Muur to be an early Sith Lord from the Old Sith Empire. That is really the simplest thing and would be explained easily enough. He was this dude who decided to leave the Empire and carve his own kingdom, Dreypa opposed him and due to a chain of events we know little about Muur was defeatd and his Talisman lost.
There's a big part of me that wants to see that. Its easy. It makes sense.
But theres also a part of me that is just screaming for it to tie in with Revan discovering Malachor in the comics. For Muur to just be a member of the Old Sith Empire is perhaps a bit dull because it is just too obvious. If instead he was a member of the 'True Sith' and somehow tied in with Malachor that would perhaps present the opportunity in the comics to explore some new ideas and answer some new questions, plus possibly link in with the upcoming exploration of Andeddu in Legacy.
So... I'm torn. Old Sith Empire or Pre-Old Sith Empire? Hmmm...
Old Sith Empire, ideally.
If he's a "True Sith", I'd have to wonder why he wasn't a "Darth" - since all the Malachor spawned Sith Lords took the title.
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5/30 2:12pm
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He doesn't look like a Pureblood Sith.
There's plenty of room between 6900 and 5000 BBY to fit him in so that seems like the simplist option.
Since he's a alchemist kind of guy and I got the idea from somewhere that the Exiles invented Sith Alchemy it would make little sense for him to be anything but a decendent of the Exiles, assuming I'm not getting confused.
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Zorrixor
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Date Posted:
5/30 3:42pm
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RE: Karness Muur and Celeste Morne discusion thread...
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Ulicus posted:
If he's a "True Sith", I'd have to wonder why he wasn't a "Darth" - since all the Malachor spawned Sith Lords took the title.
Well... part of me is almost thinking...
...how can we tell what a corpse looked like before he was a corpse? 
They both have big heavy shoulder pads! 
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I like it. 
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5/30 4:15pm
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Ulicus posted:
I like it.
And isn't the Legacy issue before Vector deal with with Wyylokk seeking out Andeddu?
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Gratulor
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5/30 5:38pm
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Makes sense, but personally I have a theory of my own.
Muur was an early Sith Lord who became interested in creating Sithspawn, and as Naga Sadow read his codex he predates even him. As Arkania is supposed to be a former part of the old Sith Empire, and we know that there are two types of bloodlines within Arkanian society, one considered pure and the other not, and Muur himself looks like Jarael's type of offshoot.
So what if Muur became so interested in tampering with genetics (mirroring the Arkanian interest) that he created a new species from his people (the pureblooded Arkanians), creating unrest later on (perhaps Dreypa opposed him) and that resulted in a war between his tribe and the pureblooded Arkanians.
Then perhaps that is the reason why Jarael is alone.
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5/30 8:46pm
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If Krayt gets hold of the Muur Talisman, the Mon Cal public relations stunt will be rated 'G' compared to the hell he'd wreak with an infinite army. (and a little red devil version of Karness sitting on his spiked shoulder)
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Gratulor posted:
Makes sense, but personally I have a theory of my own.
Muur was an early Sith Lord who became interested in creating Sithspawn, and as Naga Sadow read his codex he predates even him. As Arkania is supposed to be a former part of the old Sith Empire, and we know that there are two types of bloodlines within Arkanian society, one considered pure and the other not, and Muur himself looks like Jarael's type of offshoot.
So what if Muur became so interested in tampering with genetics (mirroring the Arkanian interest) that he created a new species from his people (the pureblooded Arkanians), creating unrest later on (perhaps Dreypa opposed him) and that resulted in a war between his tribe and the pureblooded Arkanians.
Then perhaps that is the reason why Jarael is alone.
Hmm... I like that. It ties back in with the whole Adasca side plot and would connect to Jarael. That'd be pretty neat. Would make Vector feel much less out of place. I have always wondered about how Arkania was meant to have been a Sith planet too... so to explain that would be cool.
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DragonMaster_85
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It says Muur was ancient even by Sith standards, so I'm thinking he's an Exile.
And the Muur = Andeddu thing could work. Regardless, I can't wait for Legacy's turn at Vector, and hope this guy's used more often afterwards.
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5/31 4:52pm
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I don't think that Andeddu and Karness Muur are the same, but I think that Muur could well come up during Wyyrlok's quest and thus lead to the Vector from the part of the New Sith Order, like Cade's current arc is doing for him now. So, Muur might be either a contemporary or a predecessor of Andeddu's.
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MistrX
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You know what I just noticed yesterday when reading JJM's notes? Celeste's belt buckle on that other Sith in the very first issue of Vector. Yeah, I'm slow.
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Thing is, Muur looks like a Sith-species half-breed. He looks like a post-Exiles Sith Lord.
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