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StarWarsIsGood Registered: Feb '06	Date Posted: 6/23 6:22pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	NRDF had donation or micro fleets like the Bothan Combat Response Element to call upon and probably a few others besides as anti-Piracy task forces or battle groups with specific jobs the NRDF wasn't able to meet with its assets. It also seemed to be responsible or had under it the Defence Forces of certain worlds (Calamari Defence Force, Duro Defence Force... I'm sure during the war even the Corellians were cooperative) which I think seems cool when you consider it against defence fleets more loathe to co-operate under the NRDF. So out of those I'm sure the NR could have consolidated a pretty nasty-large fighting force (especially if after the Vong breezed through those fleets were homeless but had been able to flee) On a different note I have a question regarding Shield of Lies or rather something in it that really interests me but I know nothing about: Its the general direction the Teljakon Vagabond is supposed to be heading in, Sector 151... wookie paints it up as this Imperial Oversector and cuswe is a little more conservative saying "151" is a sector the NRs simply clueless about (ie no political or social data which is pretty weird). I was hoping someone had an idea of what it was or how its mentioned in passing... as something vague and Imperial, like wookie seems to imply or just vague? For me the wookie connection seems the most interesting because of the possible reference it could be in retrospect. Essentially what was/is Sector 151? (given you have Sector 5 and they both have numbered names and wookie tells us the latter is an Imperial Oversector I can see why wookie would conclude that for the former) And does Sector 151 get any sort of mention in the books beyond a general heading of the Vagabond? cheers -----signature----- Star Wars is quite good.
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of Awayness Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 6/23 6:23pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	I don't recall that being established, though the system seems to suggest that local forces handle local security, with the numbered "federal" fleets only being dispatched to hotspots of NRwide concern. That's not to say that the local forces contribute to the NR's strategic forces, which seem to consist exclusively of the numbered fleets. At any rate, that's not really relevant to Before the Storm. It is worth noting, however, that Cracken's Threat Dossier establishes that the Fifth was undersized compared to other NR fleets. I'll produce a quick scan of the paragraph, as it's far too long for me to want to type out. -----signature----- Slaughter is the best medicine Recipient of Thrawn McEwok's Sexually Ambiguous Tusken Raider™ and a Special Golden Ewok™ "Reality doesn't care if you believe it." - Boba Fett
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Ris_jSarek Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 6/23 8:18pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	Havac posted: It is worth noting, however, that Cracken's Threat Dossier establishes that the Fifth was undersized compared to other NR fleets. I'll produce a quick scan of the paragraph, as it's far too long for me to want to type out. I believe it also suggests that the Fifth Fleet is composed exclusively of New Class ships. Given the fact that the New Class project was, well, new, the fleet's small size may simply reflect a lack of available ships to fill it out. -----signature----- http://churchofbrad.com/jsarek/ Proud recipient of Halagad_Ventor's MOO (Master of Obscurity) Award, Brett_Bass's Spiffy Crown™, and Thrawn McEwok's "Ohh...? Interesting..." Award™
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/23 8:53pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	I think it's interesting to note that the BFC established Fey'lya's return to political prominence. After Leia is nearly impeached for the first time, it becomes a running gag at times, I think I remember a certain Bothan being offered up as a potential replacement candidate. I believe that while Fey'lya lost his military credibility, his political was still intact by TTT. Honestly, I always felt that there was a serious missed opportunity with what was going to be done with the Yevetha after their fleet was destroyed. Essentially, it seemed just bizarre that the New Republic would blow their fleet to shavit then give themselves high fives before going home. Yet, essentially, that's exactly what they do. No attempted occupation or war crimes trials or whatever, just knock out their forces and leave. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 6/23 9:05pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	Occupying the Yevethan worlds would have taken a huge amount of manpower. The NR doesn't have the tech advantage the Imps did, and the Yevetha now know they don't -need- to roll over. Even the Imperials were terrified of an uprising, and they had a cooperative local leader, which the NR wouldn't. As for war crimes trials, the entire navy got blown up. That's not good enough? It's not like the NR knows enough about Yevethan internal politics to know who to blame. They probably don't know anybody's name except Spaar's, and I doubt they could reliably ID random Yevethans.
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Daniel-K Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 6/23 9:22pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	On the topic of war crimes, what can they do? The act was perpetrated outside Republic space against independent or Imperial worlds. They have zero jurisdiction to go in there and correct it. In fact that was a plot point in Leia's story. And lets say they do go in, and capture someone and convict them - what are they going to do? Execution was a rare punishment for Imperials who committed war crimes (though murder without trial for innocent bureaucrats by partisan forces happened a bit). Mostly they dumped them on a prison planet. So they are going to drop the convict off on an extremely harsh world and leave them there for the rest of their natural life. How is that different from removing the spaceflight capability from their species and leaving them on N'zoth again? -----signature----- The real light of the world is Sagan's candle in the dark http://achewood.com/ - Greatest comic ever
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/23 9:24pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm! - Date Edited: 6/23 9:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Daniel-K posted: On the topic of war crimes, what can they do? The act was perpetrated outside Republic space against independent or Imperial worlds. They have zero jurisdiction to go in there and correct it. That is an evolving point even in the modern world as Pinochet and Great Britain show. Likewise, Crimes against Humanity were specifically created to overcome jurisdiction. Ultimately, I guess I'm saying that I strongly dislike half-measures and yes DO find wrecking the Yevetha's fleet to be ridiculous. Essentially, it's like smacking around a guy then declaring victory. There's no end to the war except for the fact that the Republic says its over. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 6/23 9:29pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	What tech advantage? I didn't think the New Republic and Empire were that mismatched, technologically speaking. They all use shields, turbolasers and hyperdrives and such. True, the Imps build superweapons like Death Stars, but that's more due to the Empire being evil, then the New Republic lacking the capability. Imperials had greater resources for most of the GCW, but it also goes back to methods. Imperials have no problem occupying worlds, or pounding a few cities flat as a lesson not to rebel, but the New Republic can't really do that or else planets would start seceding. Leia's almost unilateral actions sometimes, done with the best of intents, is already enough to cause uproar in the Senate. Of course, at this point in time, the Senate was more made up of hundreds, or thousands of different species, so discord is inevitable but not crippling to the entire galaxy. By NJO, and post-prequels, the Senate is always in an uproar because its mainly full of corrupt, greedy, self-centered Senators than because the members honestly disagree with each other. And yeah, funny that Fey'lya was still around after his disgrace in TTT. Oh well, while Fel'lya has always been a jerk, its not like he's treasonous, and he isn't too corrupt, compared to others at least. In other New Republic books, I think he usually pops up at least once at Council meetings, as a familiar face at least and as an antagonistic person, but not evil, and not a villain. Though jumping ahead to the aftermath of the Koornatch crisis is a bit off-topic, as this topic is mainly about the first book, but its kinda hard not to look at the whole series when we're discussing it like this. Though the whole Yevethan culture is partially to blame, but fixing a whole culture is a... tricky business at best. Nil Spaar was a jerk, but its not like he was lying to his people, or tricking them, he had their wholehearted support and was very popular I think. And that xenophobia lasts into the NJO, until the end of their civilization. Though, I'm kind of reminded of the World War parallels again, WWI this time, with how Germany was wrecked, and then left alone, though forced to pay a huge debt. I'm just glad the Yevetha never reared their heads again. Though having the neighbors sic the Vong on them still isn't exactly a... good thing, from an enlightened civilized view, but from a personal subjective point of view, good riddance to them. And maybe there weren't that many New Class ships, so the Fifth Fleet was still small, or maybe they were going for a quality over quantity style, with how while there were few ships, the ships were supposed to be very powerful. The recent Starships of the Galaxy book mentioned that the Nebula-class Star Destroyer (which I think is a New Class ship) said it was very powerful, especially for its size. Too bad by modern EU, all the New Class ships have vanished, and the Fifth Fleet seems to be made up of just the normal capital ships. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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GenAntilles Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 6/23 9:44pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	Charlemagne19 posted: Daniel-K posted: On the topic of war crimes, what can they do? The act was perpetrated outside Republic space against independent or Imperial worlds. They have zero jurisdiction to go in there and correct it. That is an evolving point even in the modern world as Pinochet and Great Britain show. Likewise, Crimes against Humanity were specifically created to overcome jurisdiction. Ultimately, I guess I'm saying that I strongly dislike half-measures and yes DO find wrecking the Yevetha's fleet to be ridiculous. Essentially, it's like smacking around a guy then declaring victory. There's no end to the war except for the fact that the Republic says its over. If the Republic did try to occupy the Yevetha worlds they would have to pay for it, which I don't think the Republic citizens wanted to pay for. They would have to send troops in to find the criminals and keep peace, that situation would probably turn into a Somolia or Iraq like situation, and if our world is any indicator if Leia did order troops in she would be turned into Star Wars Bush. Basically it was like the Gulf War, we destroyed Iraqs military then left, only Saddam wasn't thrown into the ocean by Spetsnaz. -----signature----- "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire God Bless America All Hail Pellaeon! Savior of the Empire!
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 6/23 9:47pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	A larger problem is that they have no idea how Yevethan governmental structure works, they have no idea of the names of leaders, and they don't have evidence linking specific non-dead individuals to crimes.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/23 10:01pm Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	I finished Before the Storm today. Before reading it, I didn't remember very much about the Black Fleet Crisis, except that the Yevetha were ruthless and cruel; Luke went on a wild-Bantha chase with manipulative Akanah; and Lando had an adventure. I remember that I didn't like the trilogy. BFC used to be on my list of least-favorite SW stories. I'm so glad that I'm rereading it! This time around, I'm finding it to be far more entertaining, compelling, and creative; and I'm far more impressed with the job Kube-McDowell did in writing this novel. He had a lot of different plots going on and I found myself engaged in all of them. I've enjoyed reading many of the posts about Before the Storm in this thread too. This book is chock full of discussion topics and there have been many very intelligent and fascinating conversations in this thread. Rather than try to participate in all of them, I'd just like to ramble about some of the things that struck me while reading it. I hope that's okay... I thought it was ironic and tragic that Nil Spaar and the Yevetha, who were themselves victims of the Empire, caused so many other people to be victims as well. I thought K-Mac did a particularly good job of writing those very brief vignettes of ordinary people on those doomed worlds in the Koornacht Cluster, and having the reader care when death and devastation came to them. I was touched and horrified by the stories of the peoples of the Cluster who were all wiped out in a day: Negus Nigekus of New Brigia, who finally thought there would be enough profit to clear the last of his people's passage debt right before the whole village was annihilated. Plat Mallar, the heroic pilot of Polneye who first tried to protect his world and then tried to seek outside help, nearly dying in the attempt. The termination of the Kubaz colony and then the chilling recolonization of their world by Yevetha a day later. As others have said, Nil Spaar didn't empathize with Leia, who had suffered at the hands of the Empire as he had. She lost her father and her entire world in an instant. I felt truly sorry for Leia, who saw Spaar as a fellow survivor of the cruelty of the Empire, and worked so hard to try to build a relationship with him, only to have him betray her in the worst possible way. Using Channel One, Nil Spaar turned everything he had done upside down. He made it seem like he and his people were the victims and that Leia was responsible for plotting against the Yevetha, and that this was the reason why all of those massacres in the Koornacht Cluster took place. Then he made that chilling ultimatum: If you do not renounce her, and you will not restrain her, then be prepared for war." Nil Spaar is scary. Something that I found heart-wrenching while reading this book were the Solo family scenes. Han had made the vow after the children were kidnapped never to leave the children without the protection of a parent again, so he was basically a stay-at-home Dad. Knowing what will happen in the future, I felt sad as I read about how the Solos spent an hour of quality time with one another when Leia got home from her office each day, swimming and playing in the Vortex pool or just "hanging out" with one another. I found these words of Leia's to Luke particularly haunting and poignant in retrospect: " My children are going to have normal family stories to tell THEIR children, little funny stories about everyday nothings, stories where no one dies too young or has to carry a burden of shame. I'm going to see to that, with your help or without it..." How terribly disappointing that two of her children would never tell their kids funny stories about everyday things. Reading about Jacen as a seven year old boy who liked building houses from a deck of cards, driving toy speeders through mud puddles, and playing with model spacecraft was particularly painful after just reading about his fall to the darkside and his death. I remember not caring very much for Lando's subplot the first time I read Before the Storm, but I really found his adventure with the Quella ship very fascinating this time around. It was fun to see the droids working with Lando too. I found Luke very strange in BtS. Rebuilding his father's castle and living in it like a hermit to "get away from it all", and wearing a patchwork robe with even bits of his pilot's uniform in it was very unlike the usually active, involved, slave-to-duty Luke Skywalker. His claim that for each Jedi there comes a point at which he or she must choose to either impose his/her will on everyone and everything or " surrender your will, your ego, and withdraw from those who are always wanting you to fix their lives," didn't seem right to me. We've seen/read about a lot of Jedi and obviously most Jedi do not become Palpatines or hermits. It was interesting though that Luke, sort of like Superman, could hear all of those voices and emotions of people seeking help and he couldn't tune them out. Luke does eventually give up his hermitage I remember, so obviously he finds a solution to his problem , but I don't remember what it was. I look forward to the answer. I didn't like that Luke seemed more aggressive than necessary with the stormtroopers, killing them when there were other ways to stop them. I got the impression though that this might have been a test for Luke, one that he failed, because of this: "Not long after, back in the ruins of the village of Ialtra, the bodies of two dead Imperial agents merged with the shadows that had enveloped them, and vanished as though they had never been". Am I remembering correctly that this was a Fallanassi trick? I did feel sorry that Akanah manipulated Luke about his mother though. He was so eager to know about her, and it was sad that he was deceived into believing that his mother had been in that hut. The book said, "She had been here where he was now. She had slept here, laughed here, retreated here for sanctuary, cried and sought peace here, perhaps loved and grieved here, moving through this space as real as life and as human as the rush of longing Luke felt in that moment." Yet we now know that all of that was untrue. His mother had never been there. Family has always been important to Luke. That's why I've thought since reading Tatooine Ghost that Luke should have been the one we followed as he read Shmi's diary. He would have been so excited, I think. Even better, he and Leia should have read it together. I thought it was interesting that a certain Imperial enemy, Admiral Daala, was mentioned as having the resources of "hundreds, perhaps thousands of Core worlds. She can only grow stronger as time passes. " It's jarring to think that she's now CoS. It was good to see Leia as Chief of State again, though I found myself thinking about her son one day manipulating his way into that same office. Ackbar, Drayson, and A'baht (and Han!) were intriguing. They were all patriots, doing what they felt they needed to do to protect the New Republic and the galaxy. They had to make some very difficult decisions. It was sad reading about the banner : "882 Days without a shot fired in anger Remember: Peace is no accident", in that we know that they were soon to be thrust into war again; and that conflict would follow conflict. We also know that the New Republic, which was becoming strong and prosperous at this time, would fall about a decade later. Reading Before the Storm made me very nostalgic for the Bantam days, when stories were no longer than three books long and there was so much more variety. It was a more hopeful period in that GFFA. Despite the brutality of the Yevetha, this was a more "innocent" time in the EU, I think. The NR was doing fairly well; the Jedi Order was growing. Han and Leia's kids were young and full of potential for the future. There was no worry about favorite major characters dying or going dark. There was more family time among the members of the Skywalker/Solo families. The stories had more satisfying conclusions too, in my opinon. So I'm enjoying revisiting some of the Bantam books. I think this is a really good idea, Becca! Thanks for "hosting" this thread.
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Excellence Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 6/24 1:10am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	Child of Winds, the book was about the movie names having a quiet period in their lives. No major conflict in a few years. "1000 days without a shot fired." Leia faces off against a wily political opponent; Solo looks after the family, fussing over Jacen's obesity; Luke wants a serious break from everything; and Calrissian is bored. Man, I liked Drayson and Ackbar in those books. -----signature----- My utilisation of complex locution to ask what's more pathetic, fans who worship their movie actors, or the actors who couldn't give a damn, is more a reflection of my own superincumbent mental actuity than any circumscribed lexicon. Don't you agree?
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/24 7:34am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	Excellence Child of Winds, the book was about the movie names having a quiet period in their lives. No major conflict in a few years. "1000 days without a shot fired." Leia faces off against a wily political opponent; Solo looks after the family, fussing over Jacen's obesity; Luke wants a serious break from everything; and Calrissian is bored. And I LIKED it! It ended up being a good book without a major battle being fought.
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beccatoria Title: 181st Imperial Discussion Group host Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 6/25 7:22am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	Awesome discussion guys. I feel rather sad I'm not able to contribute much to the Fleet talk, but I am following it with interest. And feel thoroughly daft at not remembering that the NR Fleets are...federal rather than system based. I think partly that comes from not being American: we have much, much less devolved power on a "state"-wide basis. Effectively there is no such thing as state law versus federal law because our regions (with the exception of Scotland) don't have legislative powers. Basically it means I tend not to intuitively remember that planets in the NR are even more independent than states in the US than they are similar to counties in the UK. It's a really interesting point about jurisdiction, though. As Charlie notes, we invented crimes against humanity to denote crimes so large there was an inherent moral authority that allowed us to claim jurisdiction and try said individual regardless of nationality or current location. Have "crimes against sentience" ever been referenced in the EU? Do we know if there's something similar? Having said that, I'm also of the opinion that not occupying the cluster makes sense. Quite aside from possibly sending an aggressively expansionist message rather than a "we'll neutralise threats but it's not about territory" message, the cost would have been massive. George Bush Snr said, when asked why he never pushed through to Baghdad and withdrew during the first Gulf War, having not been given a UN Resolution to do so, that they would have been invaders and interlopers in a bitterly angry country which would have demanded too high a cost in lives for too little reward. Since the Yevetha weren't able to continue as a threat, I think it makes sense that the NR wouldn't think the lives of their soldiers and the financial expenses necessary to maintain an occupation in a hostile environment for pretty much no tangible gain, were worth it. ChildOfWinds posted: I've enjoyed reading many of the posts about Before the Storm in this thread too. This book is chock full of discussion topics and there have been many very intelligent and fascinating conversations in this thread. Rather than try to participate in all of them, I'd just like to ramble about some of the things that struck me while reading it. I hope that's okay... Of course! That's exactly what this thread is for! I'm also really pleased to hear that you've enjoyed the thread so far and that rereading it has been a rewarding experience for you. As you've probably read earlier in the thread, I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the storylines this time around, too. ChildOfWinds posted: I thought K-Mac did a particularly good job of writing those very brief vignettes of ordinary people on those doomed worlds in the Koornacht Cluster, and having the reader care when death and devastation came to them. Absolutely. I think that Plat Mallar's was the story that affected me most - I actually got emotional reading that - but even the stories of the everyday people who didn't die like the Analyst who found the missing Black Fleet and braved his fear of water to see Ackbar, were surprisingly touching given that I'd been with the character for only a few pages. KMac has a gift for swift and accurate characterisation, and these moments served as great reminders that the galaxy is big and that we don't always hear about every person who faced their fears heroically. ChildOfWinds posted: Nil Spaar is scary. That end speech was chilling and so tense. All credits to Mr Kube-McDowell for creating such a frightening villain without ever needing him to resort to anything other than a political speech! ChildOfWinds posted: I found these words of Leia's to Luke particularly haunting and poignant in retrospect: " My children are going to have normal family stories to tell THEIR children, little funny stories about everyday nothings, stories where no one dies too young or has to carry a burden of shame. I'm going to see to that, with your help or without it..." It was this quote, along with Plat Mallar's story, that got me the most...not quite choked up, but certainly emotional, in the novel. In retrospect it is absolutely gut-wrenching and I actually stopped reading and took a moment to catch my breath and process the impact the line had on me. It's weird, it was never intended this way, but because of later context, it's now one of the most tragic moments in EU lit. ChildOfWinds posted: " surrender your will, your ego, and withdraw from those who are always wanting you to fix their lives," didn't seem right to me. I agree, and since KMac writes Luke as eventually snapping out of this state of mind, I think he agrees. I think that Luke was - in parallel to Leia - being written as burned out. Like you say, like Superman, it's a great burden to bear and Luke is trying to work out how to do it. He's currently doing so by losing himself in the Force, using it for everything, which ironically is only going to exacerbate the problem with hearing everyone all the time. I think that it's his behaviour in these books, more than any others, which makes me think that Mara had a point when she dressed him down in HoT and told him to tone it down. Luke is always happiest when he's a man of action, out there doing things and saving people. Getting caught up in the complex cause-and-effect ripples of the Force blinds him and paralyses him for fear of doing the wrong thing, I think? I have to say that while I did like his analogy about either leaving a chaotic environment or controlling it - because that was a really strong psychological portrait of why a Sith Lord might become a control freak - my first thought was, "Or act like a Jedi, and refuse to let your environment dictate your state of mind..." But I may have been being a little snarky toward poor Luke in that moment... ChildOfWinds posted: "Not long after, back in the ruins of the village of Ialtra, the bodies of two dead Imperial agents merged with the shadows that had enveloped them, and vanished as though they had never been". Am I remembering correctly that this was a Fallanassi trick? Oh! Excellent point - I hadn't even considered that! And truthfully I can't remember whether or not it was a trick. I think it's just description, since I think that Akanah is acting alone in her manipulations of Luke because she genuinely isn't in touch with the Fallanassi and genuinely wants to find them, but I admit that my memory is very sketchy on this point, so I could be wrong. Either way great catch and something I'll keep an eye out for in the future novels! ChildOfWinds posted: The book said, "She had been here where he was now. She had slept here, laughed here, retreated here for sanctuary, cried and sought peace here, perhaps loved and grieved here, moving through this space as real as life and as human as the rush of longing Luke felt in that moment." Yet we now know that all of that was untrue. His mother had never been there. It's weird, though - like I said above, the added context of Leia's quote about her kids having normal lives really affected me, but knowing how this ends, this section left me feeling very...indifferent and even irritated. I mean, yes, I did feel it was tragic for Luke, knowing it was all fake. But the added information made me feel more annoyed with Akanah and that sort of eclipsed the bad feelings for Luke. I think that knowing she's manipulating him the whole time has really undercut my ability to properly enjoy Akanah's storyline. As you say, Luke may well have been too eager to use lethal force (or Force) on the two Imperial Agents, but at the same time, Akanah's criticism of him rings hollow to me because all I can think about is how hypocritical she is - judging Luke's behaviour while she's lying to him, preying on the most painful and personal parts of his psyche and his desperate need for connection, the whole time. ChildOfWinds posted: So I'm enjoying revisiting some of the Bantam books. I think this is a really good idea, Becca! Thanks for "hosting" this thread. Hey, thank you for reading along with me and contributing to the thread! -----signature----- legatus imperatoris britanniæ superior REMEMBER: YOUNG JEDI KNIGHTS 1 - 3 DISCUSSION STARTS IN OCTOBER! Han's a girl, so I got a Golden Ewok.
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 6/25 7:58am Subject: RE: The 181st Imperial Discussion Group: Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm!
	Beccatoria: I'm fairly certain that crimes against sentience have shown up at least once in the EU- Boba Fett: Agent of Doom. Not to mention Dark Empire, with Palpatine's attempted holocaust on Dac. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Boba_Fett:_Agent_of_Doom And Ulic Qel-Droma was tried for crimes against civilization. However, given the usual GFFA-ian attitude of killing the bad guys rather than trying them..:p -----signature----- Neils Bohr: prize-winning physicist, Olympic medalist, costumed superhero.
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