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T-boy-wan
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I like the Prequels. I also like DR's prequel books. They're good at that. But the problem is characters from LOTF era are not prequel-style characters no matter how much DR force it. NJO was good because we only had TPM out so the Big Three were still pretty OT. But LOTF was a full year after ROTS, and I think thats why it wasn't as good-it had full PT influence.
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SuperWatto
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TuskenTommy: To discard someone's opinion on a book series as 'selfish' is really, really... REALLY non-sensical.
It's entertainment. People buy and read these books solely for their own enjoyment. It would be ridiculous to assume that I'd be happy with crap books just because you enjoy them.
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Whatthesith
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What needs to happen is Lucas needs to come out and do what J.K. Rowling is going to do for Harry Potter: create his own future for his characters that can be considered "canon". Then these crap stories won't make a bit of difference because it won't be what really happens. I think people would be able to better deal with things like "Boba Fett suddenly helping Jedi kill Sith". What the sith? No disrespect to Karen Traviss, but that may have been the dumbest thing that I've read in a long time.
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Carnage04
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I think the basic problem is that people think that a nine book series they did not like has broken the franchise forever. Right now they could go back to telling Bantom (Or insert your favorite era here) stories post LoTF with the only difference being the cast of characters has shuffled around. Maybe you were a huge fan of Anakin Solo (going back to NJO..of course), Jacen Solo, and Mara Jade Skywalker. I'm sure you'll be able to find other characters that you enjoy.
The State of the Galaxy? They could kill off all of Mandalore, kick out Daala, change Luke back to TTT Luke, and put Leia as CoS by the next book after MF no problem.
Legacy comics holding you back? Bah, they are YEARS and YEARS in the future. They don't need to shift over to that line immediately. They could write 50 more books without touching very much on things having to do with the Legacy series. I think Dark Horse has done an OUTSTANDING job of not completely handcuffing Del Rey. It's hard to tell a story in the future where the galaxy is so changed without divulging too much information how it got that way.
Of course, there is the backfilling the Pre-LoTF time line and exploring different eras entirely.
I think a lot of people who are upset about the direction of the Solo kids are ones that want a reboot. The fact is, a reboot wouldn't bring back early NJO-Anakin or YJK Jacen. The characters may be recreated but they may be characters that you despise and end of complaining that you want the REAL Anakin or Jacen back.  If you'd rather the Solo kids never exist at all, we are back at the point where you might as well create new heroes in a new era. No reboot needed.
My only concern is that Del Rey decides to leapfrog Dark Horse and do a "Legacy of Legacy" 100 years past Cade and company......handcuffing Dark horse who may be forced in turn to public a Legacy of Legacy's Legacy 200 years ahead to make sure their original legacy isn't handcuffed which causes...;)
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NelanisGhost
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Legacy comics holding you back? Bah, they are YEARS and YEARS in the future. They don't need to shift over to that line immediately. They could write 50 more books without touching very much on things having to do with the Legacy series. I think Dark Horse has done an OUTSTANDING job of not completely handcuffing Del Rey. It's hard to tell a story in the future where the galaxy is so changed without divulging too much information how it got that way.
It's ONE generation. That's not "years and years" esp when humans live to be like 120. It's one lifetime.
Legacy start "100 years after the events in ROTJ", where Luke is 22-23. That means Luke has just died.
That means he utterly fails on every level. There is no other way to interpret it. 100 years after ROTJ. That's 40 years after LOTF. 40 years isn't "years and years". It's not a whole lot. Even if it's 130 years later, it's still 70 years after LOTF. That's still one generation. Ben could easily live to be 84. It's not even unusual for us, now. Force users are supposed to be long lived.
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sidious618
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NelanisGhost posted:
That means he utterly fails on every level. There is no other way to interpret it.
Don't be silly. When you're talking about a work of literature/fiction/whatever you want to call it, you can interpret in a variety of ways. I've never seen Luke as failing. Without him there would not have been the good years that the New Republic had before the Vong War and then after it.
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Manisphere
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To answer the question, What will fix SW after Legacy, first I'll assume you mean after LOTF. And my answer is this. One good book and hope. Hope in the GFFA. Not that Invincible didn't have some excellent qualities but a more unanimously "Star Warsian" novel would make all forgiven. If Luceno gives some closure to LOTF in MF and a romping good story and it's a page turner not set to the tune of a funeral dirge all will be fine in the eyes of the hard core fans. (well some are never happy but I'm not talking about that)
We love the EU and just want the idea that hope is the thing with feathers again or X-wings  . There is a lot of confusion about who Luke is right now. I think we're supposed to speculate who he is at this point but it's very disconcerting. When it is clear that he's still "Our Grandmaster", well tootle off happily immersed in the post LOTF EU again.
It just takes one book. I don't think that's a crazy theory. 
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LtNOWIS
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NelanisGhost posted:
Legacy start "100 years after the events in ROTJ", where Luke is 22-23. That means Luke has just died.
That means he utterly fails on every level. There is no other way to interpret it. 100 years after ROTJ. That's 40 years after LOTF. 40 years isn't "years and years". It's not a whole lot. Even if it's 130 years later, it's still 70 years after LOTF. That's still one generation. Ben could easily live to be 84. It's not even unusual for us, now. Force users are supposed to be long lived.
Legacy was supposed to start a hundred years after the latest novels. Than, that got changed around to 137 ABY, with the flashback comic at 130 ABY. I've never heard of any "100 years after Endor" date until today.
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I don't think that the LOTF series was an uter failure. I think it was about time the Sith reared their head again, and it was also time for another civil war. I think we need to get back to a few brief and sporadic events for a while, and stay away from the 6+ book novels it takes to go through a story line.
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Hmmmm... I´m of a split mind about this.
On one level, I think Del Rey has mishandled the post-RotJ EU to the point of it being a dark parody of what Star Wars is supposed to be about. It´s all death, doom, gloom, more death and despair with DR, and that surely is not what I want out of Star Wars. Also, they killed off some of my favorite characters in the most hackneyed storylines. And they suck at continuity from one book to the next, which doesn´t speak well at all for their editorial teams standards of quality. I *would* favour a reboot to Vector Prime ( or at least *before* Star by Star ) on these grounds, with a different company taking up the Star Wars line.
On the other hand, if they´d do that, no Yuuzhan Vong, therefore Legacy goes Infinities immediately. Also, no awesome character development of Anakin Solo until before Star by Star.
I guess a reboot to just before Star by Star would be fine. And really, the storyline until then was very good. It was with Anakins death that the EU went bad.
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Carnage04
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NelanisGhost posted:
Legacy comics holding you back? Bah, they are YEARS and YEARS in the future. They don't need to shift over to that line immediately. They could write 50 more books without touching very much on things having to do with the Legacy series. I think Dark Horse has done an OUTSTANDING job of not completely handcuffing Del Rey. It's hard to tell a story in the future where the galaxy is so changed without divulging too much information how it got that way.
It's ONE generation. That's not "years and years" esp when humans live to be like 120. It's one lifetime.
Legacy start "100 years after the events in ROTJ", where Luke is 22-23. That means Luke has just died.
That means he utterly fails on every level. There is no other way to interpret it. 100 years after ROTJ. That's 40 years after LOTF. 40 years isn't "years and years". It's not a whole lot. Even if it's 130 years later, it's still 70 years after LOTF. That's still one generation. Ben could easily live to be 84. It's not even unusual for us, now. Force users are supposed to be long lived.
I think saying that something that happens after Luke is dead makes him an utter failure is a little bit overboard. Luke is NOT God. He's a Good man and a powerful Jedi that gave everything he had his adult life to make life better for (For the most part) people that he did not know. He helped ensure that Billions of (Especially non-human) sentients had a chance to know freedom.
Think of 100 years in our time. 100 years ago we had yet to see conflict the likes of WWI and WWII....not to mention the hundreds of more localized conflicts. The Soviet Empire rose and fell. Imperialism all but vanished.
It's like suggesting that (Insert favorite Allied WWII figure) is a failure because we still are dumping lives into wars in the middle east, dictators pop up every few years that have been found to be trying to do the Genocide thing, and the idea of Freedom is being threatened/never existed in many countries throughout the world. It probably would have been better to let Japan and Germany wage war on who they wanted, wipe out whatever ethnic group they wanted, and take away any freedoms they felt like usurping because it's being done now anyway.
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Master-Chief-Kenobi
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But Luke is a failure. Del rey has erased every single good thing the OT characters have ever done. The rebel alliance was an utter failuire and a complete disaster. The GA miltiary that blindly commited all of Jacen's attrocities are all ex-Rebel alliance who overthrew Palpetine so that they could themselves become exactly like Palpetine.
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Yeah, at this point it's more like suggesting the generation of German soldiers that fought in WWI were failures.
If the US followed the trajectory of the SW Galaxy, it would have been violently overthrown around 1970 and become an evil empire by 1984.
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AdmiralNick22
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NelanisGhost posted:
Legacy comics holding you back? Bah, they are YEARS and YEARS in the future. They don't need to shift over to that line immediately. They could write 50 more books without touching very much on things having to do with the Legacy series. I think Dark Horse has done an OUTSTANDING job of not completely handcuffing Del Rey. It's hard to tell a story in the future where the galaxy is so changed without divulging too much information how it got that way.
It's ONE generation. That's not "years and years" esp when humans live to be like 120. It's one lifetime.
Legacy start "100 years after the events in ROTJ", where Luke is 22-23. That means Luke has just died.
That means he utterly fails on every level. There is no other way to interpret it. 100 years after ROTJ. That's 40 years after LOTF. 40 years isn't "years and years". It's not a whole lot. Even if it's 130 years later, it's still 70 years after LOTF. That's still one generation. Ben could easily live to be 84. It's not even unusual for us, now. Force users are supposed to be long lived.
The Legacy-era does not start 100 years after Return of the Jedi. Legacy has a start date of 127 ABY at the earliest, based on the start of the Sith-Imperial War. Based on the current 137 ABY timeline, it has been 133 years since the Rebel victory at the Battle of Endor.
Those that see only gloom and despair in Legacy are missing the whole picture. First off, I notice naysayers like to harp about how the Jedi are dead, the GA is dead, the Sith are abundant, and a New Empire is in power. To say that type of statement is a gross misstatement of the facts.
1. The Galactic Alliance Remnant
a. Admiral Stazi has kept his fleet together for seven years.
b. They have had covert support from some majors worlds/species. (Mon Calamari)
c. His forces are becoming a greater threat to the Sith. (source: Legacy #0.5)
d. Major victory at Battle of Mon Calamari. Captured prototype Advanced Star Destroyer.
e. In talks for alliance with Fel Empire. Realizes value of alliance w/Jedi Order.
2. The New Jedi Order
a. Upwards of half the order escaped Massacre at Ossus.
b. Almost all younglings (ie, the future) escaped as well.
c. They are smarter than Prequel Jedi. Established Hidden Temple as fallback point.
d. They see the value of an alliance with the GA and Fel's forces (Legacy #25)
e. The hope of the order- Cade Skywalker- is slowly accepting his destiny.
3. The Fel Empire
a. Before Sith-Imperial War, allied with GA and Jedi via the Treaty of Anaxes
b. Jedi were a common site at Fel Palace on Bastion prior to the war
c. Realizes the value of a united front against the Sith, via alliance with GA and Jedi.
d. Fel line much more benevolent that previous Empire. See Imperial Mission and Victory without War program.
4. The New Sith Order/Empire
a. Led by a dying leader
b. Military/Moff Council view Sith as a means to an end. No overt loyalty.
c. Many within the Sith Order not 100% behind Krayt (see Darth Nihl)
d. Major blunder in ordering 10% of Mon Cal population killed. Leading to possible Anti-Sith Alliance.
e. Failed to covert Cade Skywalker to the Dark Side.
Note that things are far rosier for the good guys that many think. And notice too that the Sith's power is not as absolute as many thought when Legacy began. After 25 issues, we are seeing the begining of a true opposition to Sith rule. The key players (Jedi, GA, Fel Empire) are slowly uniting.
Freedom isn't free. That is the true story of Star Wars. As with the Rebels of the Original Trilogy, the heroes of Legacy must also fight for their freedom and the freedom of the greater galaxy.
One last note to the naysayers. As it stands now, between 40 ABY and 127 ABY, there appear to be no major conflicts. Furthermore, at one point in the post-LOTF years the Treaty of Anaxes is signed to establish a mutual defense pact between the GA, Fel Empire, and Jedi. It held until the Sith-Imperial War (ie, Sith sabotage/manipulation).
For all we know 87 years passed without a major galactic war...
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ChildOfWinds
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AdmiralNick22
One last note to the naysayers. As it stands now, between 40 ABY and 127 ABY, there appear to be no major conflicts.
Sorry, Admiral Nick, but I'm afraid that the reason that there "appear to be no major conflicts" between 40 ABY and 127 ABY is that they haven't been written yet. If someone (probably Del Rey) is going to continue to produce Star Wars novels, it's highly unlikely that they will do so without including any large conflicts. From Sue Rostoni's comments, it seems that they're not ready to give the readers "lighter fare" yet, so it looks like more death, destruction, and doom and gloom...in other words...more largescale wars.... are probably being planned as we speak.
There may continue to be galaxy-wide conflicts right up until the time when the two timelines meet. 
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