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AdmiralNick22
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ChildOfWinds posted:
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One last note to the naysayers. As it stands now, between 40 ABY and 127 ABY, there appear to be no major conflicts.
Sorry, Admiral Nick, but I'm afraid that the reason that there "appear to be no major conflicts" between 40 ABY and 127 ABY is that they haven't been written yet.  If someone (probably Del Rey) is going to continue to produce Star Wars novels, it's highly unlikely that they will do so without including any large conflicts. From Sue Rostoni's comments, it seems that they're not ready to give the readers "lighter fare" yet, so it looks like more death, destruction, and doom and gloom...in other words...more largescale wars.... are probably being planned as we speak.
There may continue to be galaxy-wide conflicts right up until the time when the two timelines meet. 
Well, it all depends on when the Treaty of Anaxes is signed. If it is signed earlier in the post-LOTF, that is a clear sign that the Empire and GA do not go to war against each other. Furthermore, the indication from Legacy is that once the First Emperor Fel assumes the throne that the Empire changes. The Imperial Mission helps worlds ravaged by the Vong, the Victory without War program shows that the Empire can expand peacefully, etc. Not only that, but there are indications that the Fel Empire and Galactic Alliance never fought a war against each other prior to the Sith-Imperial War.
And the Fel Empire is already starting to form.
Not only that, but there is no reason to assume that the post-LOTF books will all be about galaxy spanning wars. I would love to see a quote by Rostoni or anyone that says otherwise.
If anything, I feel the opposite. The authors do in fact listen to the fans. So does Rostoni and Del Rey. If anything, there is a concensus that galactic wars are not overly popular storylines currently. To assume otherwise and be pessimistic serves zero purpose other than to make people get all worked up about stories that have not even been plotted yet.
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Jedi Ben
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AdmiralNick22 posted:
If anything, there is a concensus that galactic wars are not overly popular storylines currently. To assume otherwise and be pessimistic serves zero purpose other than to make people get all worked up about stories that have not even been plotted yet.
--Adm. Nick
The big problem here is a lack of confidence in the people writing SW EU in specific areas, it isn't yet a general thing but, if allowed to, could become so.
DR lost me with DN1, as I found that book to be such a disconnect from the ending of the prior series I had to be convinced to continue - for the record DN2 was much better then it went back to pieces in DN3. In effect, I don't have any confidence in their work in this area - Corusant Nights? Likely to be good, Death Star was great. Mindor will be a good book, but in both cases I have confidence in the respective authors.
The bigger problem for SW is that once authors gain a reputation, either way, it becomes a double-edged sword, both attracting and repelling fans to the works by an author. But, once an author in possession of a good rep loses it, it tends to be much harder to regain. Which is the thing abouts reputations, they take ages to build but can be lost so very quickly and easily.
For me, the fact that there is so much venom focused on such a specific set of works, I'd say they are DN-LOTF, by fans of those series in many instances says something has gone wrong somewhere. It's either miscalculation or misperception. The other problem though, for SW EU, it has intentionally blocked off the usual escape routes from a pig's ear of a story that are available to other franchises and mediums.
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ChildOfWinds
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AdmiralNick22
Not only that, but there is no reason to assume that the post-LOTF books will all be about galaxy spanning wars.
I truly hope you're right, Nick!!! Not only would this make an easier and better bridge between LotF and Legacy, but I have been wanting "smaller" conflicts, more adventure-style stories for a long time now.
I would love to see a quote by Rostoni or anyone that says otherwise.
If anything, I feel the opposite. The authors do in fact listen to the fans. So does Rostoni and Del Rey. If anything, there is a concensus that galactic wars are not overly popular storylines currently.
I haven't read any comments from Rostoni about galactic wars, but, yes, there have been comments from her about fans being tired of darkness and death. Here's her quote from TOS:
The thing is, I have heard throughout the Legacy series, from a number of different people, that the series (and the NJO series) was too dark, too distressing. That people read Star Wars to escape reality, not be shoved back into it. The thought at our end was that you all had had enough strife, death, destruction, emotional upheavals to last for quite sometime. What you wanted was escapist fiction -- something that the authors, editors, and I aren't entirely ready to give you -
So Sue Rostoni does seem to have the pulse of the fans and to know what they want. What I find bothersome is her last sentence above, where she seems to be saying that even though she knows most fans would like something "lighter", some "escapist fiction", she also says that they're not ready to give it to us yet. That seems to hint that the next series will be dark and "distressing". Now whether that includes a galaxy-wide war or not remains to be seen, but either way, I find that statement bothersome.
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To be truely honest, if there's another mass war before the GA-Sith war, I'm going to be perturbed. There have been more wars between Anakin and Luke than in any other single period that we know of.
We also need closure is closure. Not just from LOTF but from a majority of the Galactic Civil War veterans. Either Jaina or Amelia need to become the IWoD. Luke needs to die (because, I think it will be impossible to move the other characters up without this happening, and I sight NJO as my proof.) And Ben needs to come more into his own. (Though, I am pleased to see his developement inLOTF) In short, there needs to be a spring cleaning session in order to set the stage for Legacy.
Other than that, authors need, need, to pay attention to cannon. Karpyshyn, I'm looking at you.
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We also need closure is closure. Not just from LOTF but from a majority of the Galactic Civil War veterans. Either Jaina or Amelia need to become the IWoD. Luke needs to die (because, I think it will be impossible to move the other characters up without this happening, and I sight NJO as my proof.) And Ben needs to come more into his own. (Though, I am pleased to see his developement inLOTF) In short, there needs to be a spring cleaning session in order to set the stage for Legacy.
Agreed on all points, but shouldn't that have been what LotF was for?
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Reemsworld posted:
Would Star Wars be what it is now without the Fans?
I didn't say "get rid of the fans"... that would be stupid. Although I do wish that they'd crack down here a bit more about whiny fans always complaining that star wars isn't doing exactly what THEY want it to.
Of course, now I'll prolly get banned again because I don't agree with the popular, well known posters. Damn me for not being a sheep.
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It's ONE generation. That's not "years and years" esp when humans live to be like 120. It's one lifetime.
Legacy start "100 years after the events in ROTJ", where Luke is 22-23. That means Luke has just died.
That means he utterly fails on every level. There is no other way to interpret it. 100 years after ROTJ. That's 40 years after LOTF. 40 years isn't "years and years". It's not a whole lot. Even if it's 130 years later, it's still 70 years after LOTF. That's still one generation. Ben could easily live to be 84. It's not even unusual for us, now. Force users are supposed to be long lived.
none of legacy means Luke utterly fails on every level
or any level
he has led the jedi to defeat every enemy they have faced in his time
you couldnt look at Yoda, 50 years before Sidious took power, and say he was an utter failure because he didnt know what was going to happen in the future
until we know when Luke dies (or if i suppose) and see how everything happens pre-Legacy, we cant say all or any of it is all Luke's fault
i can see if Luke was the leader of the jedi for a prolonged period of peace, that maybe then he should have seen it coming, but it has been constant war since the Empire was defeated
what was he supposed to do? stop fighting the actual battle and focus on an unknown threat not doing anything?
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DarthKuriboh posted:
Reemsworld posted:
Would Star Wars be what it is now without the Fans?
I didn't say "get rid of the fans"... that would be stupid. Although I do wish that they'd crack down here a bit more about whiny fans always complaining that star wars isn't doing exactly what THEY want it to.
Of course, now I'll prolly get banned again because I don't agree with the popular, well known posters. Damn me for not being a sheep.
I'm not sure why you would be banned your opinion/comment, although I don't totally agree with, seems valid to me. But really is it that much of an issue that people want to see the things they would like reflected in Star Wars? We all know it’s not feasible, so what’s the harm in dreaming?
You know, when it comes to "whiny fans" fans & their complaining regularly about Star Wars, I think overall it's good for Star Wars. I might not always agree with every comment I read here, but it shows how passionate folks are about Star Wars and that's cool, because we all share a passion for the Galaxy far, far away. This is why I don’t think Star Wars is broken, I certainly think that some characters and situations should have been handled differently in various novels, but that ‘s just my view.
I also think we as fans should remember that we're here on a public forum discussing our personal views of Star Wars, and when dealing with one another and our sometimes differing opinions, the fact is we all have the right to feel and believe what we want (without insulting others of course). But more respect and civility towards each other is always a good thing.
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Sirius_Scott
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Agreed on all points, but shouldn't that have been what LotF was for?
Yes, it should have been. But it seems that LFL and DelRey have made hobbies out of dragging things out as loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong as they can. It's nice to see that they took some steps (Jag becoming head of the Remnant, and some of Ben's developement), but it wasn't nearly enough.
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DarthKuriboh posted:
Reemsworld posted:
Would Star Wars be what it is now without the Fans?
I didn't say "get rid of the fans"... that would be stupid. Although I do wish that they'd crack down here a bit more about whiny fans always complaining that star wars isn't doing exactly what THEY want it to.
Of course, now I'll prolly get banned again because I don't agree with the popular, well known posters. Damn me for not being a sheep.
So you, who don't wish to be a sheep, are advocating increased shepherding? Your post reads as if you don't agree with herding posters - unless it's in the direction you like?
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ChildOfWinds posted:
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Not only that, but there is no reason to assume that the post-LOTF books will all be about galaxy spanning wars.
I truly hope you're right, Nick!!! Not only would this make an easier and better bridge between LotF and Legacy, but I have been wanting "smaller" conflicts, more adventure-style stories for a long time now.
I would love to see a quote by Rostoni or anyone that says otherwise.
If anything, I feel the opposite. The authors do in fact listen to the fans. So does Rostoni and Del Rey. If anything, there is a concensus that galactic wars are not overly popular storylines currently.
I haven't read any comments from Rostoni about galactic wars, but, yes, there have been comments from her about fans being tired of darkness and death. Here's her quote from TOS:
The thing is, I have heard throughout the Legacy series, from a number of different people, that the series (and the NJO series) was too dark, too distressing. That people read Star Wars to escape reality, not be shoved back into it. The thought at our end was that you all had had enough strife, death, destruction, emotional upheavals to last for quite sometime. What you wanted was escapist fiction -- something that the authors, editors, and I aren't entirely ready to give you -
So Sue Rostoni does seem to have the pulse of the fans and to know what they want. What I find bothersome is her last sentence above, where she seems to be saying that even though she knows most fans would like something "lighter", some "escapist fiction", she also says that they're not ready to give it to us yet. That seems to hint that the next series will be dark and "distressing". Now whether that includes a galaxy-wide war or not remains to be seen, but either way, I find that statement bothersome.
How old is that Sue Rostoni quote? Pre-LOTF?
I read her line about being "ready to give you" as a hint to future novels, ala the Millenium Falcon novel. Heck, according to the blurb on the MF novel, the galaxy is at peace and unified. Granted this will be in a GA under former Imperial admiral Daala, but so long as there is still a Senate and other parts of the democractic GA still around, we should be in for a better future.
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Del Ray has already tried the galactic war two times already (three if you count the Prequels tie ins), so I doubt they'll go for another war, unless it involves the KOTOR set of characters.
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AdmiralNick22 posted:
How old is that Sue Rostoni quote? Pre-LOTF?
I read her line about being "ready to give you" as a hint to future novels, ala the Millenium Falcon novel. Heck, according to the blurb on the MF novel, the galaxy is at peace and unified. Granted this will be in a GA under former Imperial admiral Daala, but so long as there is still a Senate and other parts of the democractic GA still around, we should be in for a better future.
--Adm. Nick
Rostoni's comment is post-Invincible, from about mid-May I think.
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I honestly think that LFL needs to just take the plunge. Let's not kill off the Big Three, but just put their time period in the past. That's not going to be possible without getting into telling the story of the Sith-Imperial War where we can be reasonably assured that Luke, Han and Leia aren't even players in the GFFA anymore. Family members of legendary status, and heroic icons for the galaxy, but not players in the world. Be they dead or just completely retired to the point of total obscurity. I'd rather NOT have that kind of closure on their lives where we witness the death of the reviver of the Jedi Order and his twin sister and her husband. I'd rather just pick up with Kol and Nat Skywalker around the time that the Ossus Project is getting under way.
That's what I think Star Wars NEEDS. Not more deaths of beloved characters, but a jump forward to a next generation. Much as I dislike KJA's writing he did his best to give a set up for a new generation of characters, and ever since Del Rey got the contract that entire cast has been decimated by tragedy and death. You've got survivors of the Empire's reign still hanging on while the brightest lights of the YJK/JJK are dead or gone dark. One of the reasons that Legacy works so well, I think, is that John and Jan had the guts to take Star Wars so far into the future that Luke's only role is as a Jedi legend and the occasional spectral appearance. We've been given lots of backstory information to set up a significant time where novels can take place with the Ossus Project and 5 years of Sith-Imperial War... none of which seem to involve Luke, Han or Leia or even their daughter or granddaughter or Luke's son. Luke's grandchildren(perhaps great grandchildren), yes. My problem with the dark tone and constant galaxy spanning warfare is not that it happens, but that so much of it has happened within the lifetimes of the Big Three. The GCW is no longer THEIR war. It's one of 3 major wars that they've dominated and essentially won. I can deal with another longer series of books featuring the Sith-Imperial War and a trilogy to go before that about the Ossus Project. I could read 12 books of that stuff. Ben Skywalker can even feature as a Jedi elder, maybe THE Jedi elder. He perhaps should. I just want to skip the 80 decades in between because I think it's time to give it a rest. Give Luke a rest. Give Han a rest. Give Leia a rest. Give Jaina a rest. Move along, move along.
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They need to ignore the fans, flesh out any inconsistancies and or canon errors then put the whole damned era on the shelf. With KOTOR (THOUSANDS of years before ANH) and Legacy (130+yrs after ANH), there's no longer any (good) reason to keep playing in an already crowded sandbox, IMHO. New eras. New Stories. NEW HEROES!
That's just how i feel about it.
I don't feel that seperating canon into a comic-canon and a novel-canon would be wise. We've spent the last thirty years with ONE continuity. I think splitting it now would be pointless. The nods back and forth are there as are the continuity blunders. For better or worse, i think splitting into two forms of canon would cause more problems than create "solutions" in the eyes of the average fan.
So far as rebooting goes, part of my last argument stands. We've spent the past 30 years getting to the point in the EU that we're in. Are there really that many people who would like to see everything since 1983 labeled as infinities? I would not like to see it. I would hope that i'm not alone.
At the end of the day, the only thing that we the fans can really control is what we're going to spend our (of for you youngins, your parent's) money on, and what we're going to happily (or not) do without. Energy wasted complaining, arguing and flat-out hoping for things that will likely not come to be is pointless and a waste of energy.
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